Apropos - Feature Request and Descriptions Submission

[gooser]

No idea yet. The next release of Apropos is primarily aimed at bugfixes, W&T effects, and a new database, but will not expand for things like FF, or Footjobs, etc.

The release after that will shift to  cover these cases.

I'm also busy with SexLab Hentai Pregnancy - Cum Buckets Edition as well.

[Guest]

Nothing I listed using bullet points is actually supported by Apropos, I just got bored converting 2nd/3rd person stuff and wanted to write some new content.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

No idea yet. The next release of Apropos is primarily aimed at bugfixes, W&T effects, and a new database, but will not expand for things like FF, or Footjobs, etc.

The release after that will shift to  cover these cases.

I'm also busy with SexLab Hentai Pregnancy - Cum Buckets Edition as well.

 

I already posted some FF messages here, using Decauk's template. I hope they come in useful.

 

I'd also be willing to write messages for MMF and MFF (and FMM and FFM), but would need a template. Do you have one? How would {ACTIVE} and {PRIMARY} work with threesomes? Would there be a {SECONDARY}?

[estelles]

I added some support for FF descriptions to this thing here, http://www.loverslab.com/topic/34407-estelles-apropos-utility-for-text-overlay-quick-text-edits-tts-and-f-f-support-wip/
and it works pretty good.. I think the way FF description were thought out in psikochicks descriptions from page 11 of this thread, makes a lot of sense, in the discussion there, the conclusion was that sexlab puts the [1] for the person in the dominant role, like [1] PC [0] NPC. and the PC can be either [0] or [1]. so two directories for FF description are needed, one for the PC in the dominant role the other for the PC in the submissive role. the lesbian animations which have the FF tag are also in both these directories. I've tried thinking of some other way to do it but this seems like the only way it will work. Unless i"m missing something. anyway If you want to test FF descriptions using this method it's possible.
 

 

 

maybe this helps for apropos development. it's the code I used to determine which animation belongs to which file ( it looks kinda messy, autohotkey works with pseudo arrays, so actor1_1 - actor1_4 is a pseudo array with the relevant parts from the sexlab actors, animtags_1 are the tags)
[0]: PC, female (victim)

[1]: NPC, female

Animation: 'Arrok Boobjob' (,,,Arrok,BBP,sex,Dirty,Boobjob,Breast,LeadIn,MF,FM):

/*is it a ff scene with the actor in it?*/
if(actor2_3="female" && actor1_3="female"){
	ffscene :=1
	if(actor2_1=1 && actor2_2=playername){
		dom := 1
		active := actor1_2
	}else if(actor1_1=1 && actor1_2=playername) {
		dom := 1
		active := actor2_2
	}else if(actor1_1=0) {
		dom := 0
		active := actor2_2
	}else{
		dom := 0
		active := actor1_2
	}
	/*if victim*/
        if(actor1_4 != "" || actor2_4 != "") {
		rape = _Rape
	}else{
		rape = 
	}
	
        /*find animtype*/
	IfInString, animtags1, Boobjob
		type = BoobJob
	IfInString, animtags1, Handjob
		type = Handjob
	IfInString, animtags1, Footjob
		type = Footjob
	IfInString, animtags1, Oral
		type = Oral
	IfInString, animtags1, Anal
		type = Anal
	IfInString, animtags1, Vaginal
		type = Vaginal
	IfInString, animtags1, Fisting
		type = Fisting

	IfInString, animtags1, FF
		typeFF = _FF_
        else
                typeFF = _

	if dom=1
		domdir = _Dom\
	else
		domdir = \
        
        /*base filename*/
	descriptionfilebase = FemaleActor_Female%domdir%FemaleActor_Female%typeFF%%type%%rape%
        
        /*first stage text file*/
	descriptionfile = %descriptionfilebase%.txt
}else{
	ffscene:=0
}

 

 

[MallaVelve]

No idea yet. The next release of Apropos is primarily aimed at bugfixes, W&T effects, and a new database, but will not expand for things like FF, or Footjobs, etc.

The release after that will shift to  cover these cases.

It has always surprised me that with so much content on LL Being geared directly towards a Female Dragonborn that Apropos lacked descriptors for FF interactions.  So for me this is good news!

[Guest]

I think the main issue is that FF is more complicated to setup than FM/MF because the mod needs to be able to discern which actor is the giver and receiver.

[MallaVelve]

I think the main issue is that FF is more complicated to setup than FM/MF because the mod needs to be able to discern which actor is the giver and receiver.

I will take your word at the difficulty, being a non-programer i would think just point to the one with a strapon.  Granted some animations switch that person in some scenes.  Anyway, I am still glad to know it's coming  

[Guest]

By default, the PC will actually be the actor without the strapon, although some mods allow you to choose. So Apropos needs to be able to tell which side the PC (and therefore the perspective) is on, and to show the right messages.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

By default, the PC will actually be the actor without the strapon, although some mods allow you to choose. So Apropos needs to be able to tell which side the PC (and therefore the perspective) is on, and to show the right messages.

 

That is true if the messages are expected to identify the person wearing the strapon. But (as I have said before) messages don't have to do this, especially if they are dramatic rather than narrative. So instead of:

 

"I drive my dildo into X's pussy" or "you drive your dildo into X's pussy" or "Y drives her dildo into X's" etc, the message could display something like:

 

"'O yes, baby, drive that dildo into my pussy" or (from the other perspective) "Do you like my hard dildo in your wet pussy?"

 

and the image on screen would clarify who is X and who is Y.  Some of the  excellent messages that you have shared with us take just this form, Decauk, so you will know what I mean. (I admit that my workaround would forfeit the immersive appeal of proper names, but at least it would get FF up and running).

 

My point is that FF messages need not require (and might even be better without) a pendantic description of agency.

 

I would go further and suggest that Apropos move away from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd grammatical person menu. It is not reallly needed (at least not for human on human interaction, or elf on elf) and actually distracts us from even better options, such as using the three menus for different degrees of intimacy. I would use one category for intimate, romantic sex; one for casual sex; one for exhibitionist sex before an audience. Personally, I would find this more immersive than the "I, you, she" format which tends to read like a grammar manual (though Decauk does great things in this format and every Apropos user should download his messages).

[MallaVelve]

Is there a way to color the text in both the Notification area and the Subtitle area?   I find it frustrating to read white letters in a snowy grey world.  

[Guest]

 

By default, the PC will actually be the actor without the strapon, although some mods allow you to choose. So Apropos needs to be able to tell which side the PC (and therefore the perspective) is on, and to show the right messages.

 

That is true if the messages are expected to identify the person wearing the strapon. But (as I have said before) messages don't have to do this, especially if they are dramatic rather than narrative. So instead of:

 

"I drive my dildo into X's pussy" or "you drive your dildo into X's pussy" or "Y drives her dildo into X's" etc, the message could display something like:

 

"'O yes, baby, drive that dildo into my pussy" or (from the other perspective) "Do you like my hard dildo in your wet pussy?"

 

and the image on screen would clarify who is X and who is Y.  Some of the  excellent messages that you have shared with us take just this form, Decauk, so you will know what I mean. (I admit that my workaround would forfeit the immersive appeal of proper names, but at least it would get FF up and running).

 

My point is that FF messages need not require (and might even be better without) a pendantic description of agency.

 

I would go further and suggest that Apropos move away from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd grammatical person menu. It is not reallly needed (at least not for human on human interaction, or elf on elf) and actually distracts us from even better options, such as using the three menus for different degrees of intimacy. I would use one category for intimate, romantic sex; one for casual sex; one for exhibitionist sex before an audience. Personally, I would find this more immersive than the "I, you, she" format which tends to read like a grammar manual (though Decauk does great things in this format and every Apropos user should download his messages).

 

 

The problem with this, as I mentioned before, is that only using dialogue/speech is inherently limiting.

It means the messages can't describe the actions, the feelings or the reactions unless one of the participants is actually saying it out loud, which is gonna get really weird, particularly when the Dragonborn starts narrating her own rape, or starts a running monologue while having sex with a bear. It also defaults the same personality and mannerisms to both the Dragonborn and his/her partners, because the same lines will be getting used for both perspectives.

 

Dirty talk is all well and good, and as you've mentioned, I've included a fair amount of it, but to create a db made up only of porn movie dialogue would be pretty boring, to me at least. It would add only a small amount of convenience and would lose a helluva lot.

 

The way Apropos is right now, people that want that can certainly do it, but I doubt anyone wants to see an unnecessary restriction deliberately added.

 

Honestly, to claim that regular writing using a 1st/2nd/3rd person perspective reads like a 'grammar manual' is akin to saying that erotic literature is somehow inferior to a porno script, which I would greatly disagree with.

 

As for the categories, that'd be a great thing to have, certainly exhibitionism, but the issue is Apropos working out the context. Telling whether you're being watched could be done by picking up mods like Spectator Crowds, but how would it tell if the sex is romantic/casual/rape? Personally, I don't want to be dropping into the MCM before every sex act to 'set the mood', as to me that detracts from the immersive nature of the mod.

 

[Grimbold the unlovely]

Just to clarify, I was referring solely to the female-female messages, not rape or bears (full disclosure: I am utterly uninterested in rape and bears). I certainly agree that 'erotic literature' is preferable to 'porno script', but let's be honest, none of us on LL is D. H. Lawrence or Petronius Arbiter or Aretino or Derek Tyson or even (Dibella help us) Erica Jong. Good porno script is as good as any of us is likely to get. Right now we have nothing at all for female-female messages. I am just trying to get over that obstacle (wtih some much appreciated help and inspiration from Decauk's own Apropos messages, which are pretty good porn script, and I mean that as a sincere compliment).

[judge0]

sorry to whoever downloaded the database I posted a page back, and had to deal with missing synonyms..

I did some last minute changes but didn't validate the synonyms file. so yes, that's my bad

Here's the right one.

Is this for stable or beta?

 

Thanks!

[Guest]

A slightly more up-to-date version. Progress with 2nd/3rd person is going slowly, but getting there.

I have also included 2 new tags, {WHORE} & {BITCH}, props to estelles for this idea.

 

As before, there is a large amount of content in here that is simply not supported by any version of Apropos yet, and has been written simply in preparation.

 

AFTER INSTALLING MY DB FILE, YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST ENTER APROPOS' MCM MENU AND CLICK THE REFRESH BUTTON, OR A LARGE PART OF THE FILE SIMPLY WILL NOT WORK.

Apropos Custom for Beta 08082014.7z

[Grimbold the unlovely]

Thanks for these, Decauk. As you know, I have been using your earlier file (the beta one) with great pleasure, adding my own messages for 2nd/3rd person. I shall not burden this forum with my additions (unless anyone requests them), but I have one suggestion about arousal messages. Either Gooser or your good self (not sure who) has most usefully distinguished the categories READINESS from FAROUSAL. I have used this distinction to add what I think is an enhancement. I use READINESS for oral arousal descriptors and FAROUSAL for vaginal ones. I think this adds a lot. I can post my file (just the arousal synonyms) if you'd like to see what I have done.

 

Just as an example, under the READINESS category I have the adjectives 'lipsticked', 'remonstrating', 'pouting' and so on--words that would make no sense for vaginal penetration but add a lot for oral.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

A QUESTION FOR DECAUK

 

Your new Apropos files look really good. I especially like the 2 new tags. Only thing is, I have spent hours inserting messages into your previous template and obviously do not want to have to do it all again. What I most want from the new files are the 2 new tags so I can tweak the messages I already have. Could you please tell us the simplest way to do this.

 

Many thanks!

[Guest]

That depends on how many edits you've done to the synonyms file. If you haven't done anything, simply replace the synonyms file in your db folder with my latest one. If you have tweaked it, simply c/p the {BITCH} & {WHORE} entries into yours.

 

Once that's done, go back through your txt files and look for places you can substitute the two tags. {WHORE} is intended mainly for self-reference and more playful dirty talk, {BITCH} is for more derogatory use and reference by other individuals.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

Thanks, Decauk. I was hoping it would be a simple as that! Does that mean I could add any tags I can dream up? So, if I wanted to add variations on the adjective 'wet', could I simply add {WET} to the messages and then add a menu (juicy, succulent, etc) to the list of synomnyms? This is just an example. I know that {FAROUSAL} already fits that particular need. But I can imagine possibilities such as {SKIMPY}, {PLEADING} etc. etc.

[Guest]

Yeah, you can use any tags you like.

[Grimbold the unlovely]

Brilliant. And apologies for the stupidity of the noob question.

[estelles]

you can also use winmerge to merge the changes in the files. just make sure the json files ar formatted in similar way. then open 2 directories with changed lines, and copy the lines between them with alt+ leftarrow.

also you could use notepad++ and do 'find in files' from search menu. choose the db folder (backup!) incl. subdirs.  then replace all 'bitch' in the db folder with {BITCH} and, replace all whore, slut, etc with {WHORE}. then merge the synonyms file so the right tags are in there.

[estelles]

I spend some time adding the missing 2nd person stuff in decauk's new database. and also fixed some small errors, typos and such.

I converted the 1st person to 2nd person with the script I posted some pages back, I'm pretty sure I corrected all errors the 'translation script' made.

only decauk's FF sentences are not in this db yet, I used psychochick's. and these are also not checked and corrected yet.

I made 2 versions, with regard to 2nd person spoken language,

a )  ({PRIMARY}) 'what you say'  

b )  (You say/scream/beg) 'what you say'

 

db (0.4a).zip
db (0.4b).zip

[Grimbold the unlovely]

About a month ago, Estelles posted an awesome looking mod that enhanced Apropos by adding full screen messages and (even more welcome) FF messages. I did not download it (at least not yet) because:

1) It looks very complicated, 2) it requires Skyrim to run in Windows mode, which I think would drain resources and slow my game, and 3) I was afraid of making my Apropos incompatible with future updates. But Gooser seems to have other irons in the fire (no criticism intended; of course he has the right to set his own priorities) and so far as I am aware Estelles is the only option for those of us who would like the option of lesbian messages. So my question is: what is the best choice if we want FF messages? Are there any other options out there?

[psikochik]

Estelles add-on does work nicely, here's a link to it for those who want to try..estelles-apropos-utility.  It will work in windowed mode either full-screen or smaller.  It does add F-F- support, but I added set of basic synonyms for {Strapon} to have something pop up since the support isn't there yet for determining what's worn.  Otherwise, we'll just have to wait for Gooser's update.

 

[estelles]

It's not very complicated, the guide is so long because I tried to cover anything which could cause problems when setting it up, it basically comes down to making sure logging is on in skyrim and apropos, putting the right paths in the settings.ini file. and installing the 'onetweak' plugin correctly for borderless fullscreen. If you don't like it, it's as easy as uninstalling onetweak, and your skyrim is back to normal. the borderless windowed mode does cause a slight fps drop, not huge, but noticeable if you're already at bottom end of playable fps.