Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I'm starting to regret ever buying Skyrim. No matter what i do the same bugs/glitches keep showing up even after removing mods. Certain generic NPC's keep showing up inside the game as essential but in the Creation Kit they aren't tagged as essential or protected. I'm already running the minimum number of mods I personally consider essential to me for playing. 370 hours playing Skyrim, 12 different characters and the only questline I've completed is Dawnguard one single time.
Mud Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Doesn't that typically mean your bugs are being caused by some of those "essential" mods, and they have nothing to do with Skyrim's own myriad faults?
Ruskii420Sama Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Yeah, I feel you have one of those Essential NPC mods or something, and its fucking up. Check to make sure you don't. turn any that you have off and try again... :/
Guest NeonFirefly Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 If Skyrim is still acting up even after removing mods, you may have to set aside a bit of time to completely uninstall and reinstall it the entire game. That should restore things like changed ini files and leftover scripts and whatnot. You see, some of the more complex and extensive mods can actually leave scripts behind in the game even after you uninstall them, and those scripts can wreak havoc on your game's stability. And if you do that and your mods are still messed up, I'd advise completely deleting and re-downloading them, instead of simply reinstalling them. When it comes to mods that use scripts, I consider that pretty much essential. It'll take time, but in my experience, it's an almost fail-safe last resort.
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Removing mods is worse than leaving bad mods in the game. Seriously, there is a guide a member made here for installing a fast, stable, trouble-free game. You should delete every last scrap of Skyrim from your computer (every shred of it), read that post then follow it to a "T". If you don't then you're just always going to have a big, jumbled mess. I've gone through this myself. Most of it I figured out through trial and error. But this last time I installed it I also switched to Mod Organizer, so now I will always maintain a clean Skyrim folder and won't ever have to reinstall it again. This install is SMOOTH and I haven't found a single bug yet. It's been simply amazing. I'll find the thread for you. You owe it to yourself to read it and follow it. Then you can actually like Skyrim.
Lovely Rose Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 those bugs and glitchs are the game itself. haha jk i started to hate skyrim to. after i noticed how alike it was to oblivion and i sold it :| but yea completly uninstall and reinstall it. probably ur best bet
TheDriedFinger Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Just a note: even if an NPC is not flagged as Essential in their Actor window, they may be marked as essential by a Quest.
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Removing mods is worse than leaving bad mods in the game. Seriously, there is a guide a member made here for installing a fast, stable, trouble-free game. You should delete every last scrap of Skyrim from your computer (every shred of it), read that post then follow it to a "T". If you don't then you're just always going to have a big, jumbled mess. I've gone through this myself. Most of it I figured out through trial and error. But this last time I installed it I also switched to Mod Organizer, so now I will always maintain a clean Skyrim folder and won't ever have to reinstall it again. This install is SMOOTH and I haven't found a single bug yet. It's been simply amazing. I'll find the thread for you. You owe it to yourself to read it and follow it. Then you can actually like Skyrim.
flutie Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/26468-guide-want-a-ctd-free-and-blistering-fast-skyrim-game-here-you-go/ , I think this is what gvman3670 is refurring too
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/26468-guide-want-a-ctd-free-and-blistering-fast-skyrim-game-here-you-go/ , I think this is what gvman3670 is refurring too Yup, that's it. It may take some time. But it's less time that trying to fix a big mess. And in the end you'll have a nice, stable game you can enjoy.
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 Just a note: even if an NPC is not flagged as Essential in their Actor window, they may be marked as essential by a Quest. Not a quest NPC, just NPC's that are supposed to be killed and now random generic NPC's you encounter in the wilds that attack you on sight. My last character The Ebony Warrior was perma-essential. Gaius Maro for a Dark broterhood quest you have to kill was perma-essential. Right before this post my character encountered a Scavenger and he was essential. A complete reinstall? Think I'd rather take a shotgun blast to my balls. Thats about 4 hours to install from Steam (my DVD-ROM is filled with enough dust/crap that when you insert a disc it still insists the drive is empty) then hours to go back through Nexus and re-download all the mods I use (would have to redownload cause I was tired of reinstalling each mod one at a time so i just kept a backup of the Data folder. Yes I do have essential mods installed for Skyrim, Dragonborn and player character. Was tired of multiple NPC's dying every time a dragon or a vampire raid attacked one of the cities.
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Sorry, but your game is apparently full of dead(ly) scripts and it's as good as dead. There is no alternative besides killing it off, wiping every shred of it clean, and starting over....and doing it right this time. It may be a pain. It may take a few hours. But in the end you'll actually enjoy the game for a change and anything short of starting fresh won't allow that. And if you switch to Mod Organizer you can be sure to never need a complete reinstall ever again. Consider it a learning experience.
Lovely Rose Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Just a note: even if an NPC is not flagged as Essential in their Actor window, they may be marked as essential by a Quest. A complete reinstall? Think I'd rather take a shotgun blast to my balls. Thats about 4 hours to install from Steam Skyrim isnt worth a 10 min install let alone a 4 hour, but if u wanna play it agian you dont have a choice.
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 That install walkthrough says to only launch Skyrim through Steam once. Launching Skyri through Steam is the only way i know of installing Steam workshop mods.
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 That install walkthrough says to only launch Skyrim through Steam once. Launching Skyri through Steam is the only way i know of installing Steam workshop mods. When you launch from SKSE or Mod Organizer it launches Steam with it. It's an all in one deal.
TheDriedFinger Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 If you do the complete re-install, do what I do: once you have already the updates and official DLCs that you want, copy your whole game to another location, so that if something starts screwing up badly, delete your Skyrim install and then just copy your backup in its place; it saves the bandwidth of having to download everything again. Of course, if you use Mod Organizer, it shouldn't be a problem.
ToJKa Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 For Skyrim, removing the plugin is not enough. You have to remove all it's files from Skyrim's folder for it to be truly removed. Additionally if the mod had scripts, you have to start a new game as remains of those scripts are still left in the save files even after it has been removed. Those remains will cause issues. It's a lot more complex and fragile thing than Oblivion and Fallouts were, in those you could put in and take out pretty much any mod at will, but with Skyrim you have to be much more careful. For the total removal of the mod's files i've found Wrye Bash even more useful than the previous games.
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 If you do the complete re-install, do what I do: once you have already the updates and official DLCs that you want, copy your whole game to another location, so that if something starts screwing up badly, delete your Skyrim install and then just copy your backup in its place; it saves the bandwidth of having to download everything again. Of course, if you use Mod Organizer, it shouldn't be a problem. Thats what I did before. Kept a backup of the Data incase any mods I downloaded from nexus that had alot of loose files needed to be removed. Still have about 2 dozen mods that are only on Nexus (and a few non adult mods from here) and not the Steam Workshop. Some mods i've liked but the bugs that were still in them killed Skyrim on me. I loved http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/16127/ but the frost damage permaslow was a pita. The mod he suggested never worked and neither did the console command. The permaslow would just show up out of nowhere even outside of combat just running from one place to another.
Veladarius Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 If you used NMM to install your mods find out where is stores copies of them and back that folder up. The zip files of everything you currently have loaded into NMM installed or not is in there. I would at least start a new game and see if npc's are still set as essential as it may have been caused by a mod screwing up. I had a game I started where a number of people were hostile to me immediately 30 minutes into the game and I had not done anything yet. Restarted and it corrected itself.
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 If you used NMM to install your mods find out where is stores copies of them and back that folder up. The zip files of everything you currently have loaded into NMM installed or not is in there. I would at least start a new game and see if npc's are still set as essential as it may have been caused by a mod screwing up. I had a game I started where a number of people were hostile to me immediately 30 minutes into the game and I had not done anything yet. Restarted and it corrected itself. The Scavenger encounter in the wild was the first generic NPC that's been essential somehow. Like I stated in an earlier post, its not so simple just to start a new game. The named NPC's that were essential were far along in questlines. The Ebony Warrior doesn't show til you make lvl80. That was the worst thing. Almost 15 minutes of fighting the Ebony Warrior on legendary difficulty, finally got is HP down to zero, he crouched down on one knee, i took a single swing and he stood back up with full health. I am gonna keep a backup on the mods that aren't on the Steam workshop. I will keep a backup on Skyrim and the DLC to save several hours of downloading if I have to do a reinstall yet again. Last time I just kept a backup of the Data folder with all the mods installed.
Vancien Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Probably your first mistake is using Steam Workshop for any of your mods. I would as many others have said, perhaps backup your downloaded essential mods and completely uninstall the game, then re-install clean. Try using a different mod program like Nexus or Mod Organzier. I would not recommend using Steam Client for anything other than the game and official patches. You'll need to unsubscribe to every single mod you have in Steam or it will automatically load them every time you install the game. That could very well be part of your problem. One of your mods may not even be supported at all anymore. I don't mean to down play your Skryim mod knowledge but here are some links that you probably should read if you haven't already. http://wiki.step-project.com/Main_Page Just watch this video:
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 Ugh, have to register on the nexus forums just to download the 3 script fixes the guide links?
Vancien Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Ugh, have to register on the nexus forums just to download the 3 script fixes the guide links? If you find that troublesome, I would not recommend you even bother modding your Skyrim at all. There are things you should know before you get into using Mod's with Skyrim. There are pro's and con's but regardless there is also maintenance that simply comes with the territory. Mods can cause conflicts with each other and conflicts with Skyrim. You should understand proper installation with every mod and any other required mods to make them function properly. Mods often times have to be cleaned in TES5Edit, properly set in your load order either manually or using BOSS (as a base), patched, updated and so on. If that is too much, I'd suggest you stick with a vanilla game only running SKSE and SKYUI or nothing at all. It is work and can be very time consuming. But the rewards are a better gaming experience if you get it right. I'm simply suggesting you educate yourself and the first step would definitely be not using Steam Client for all of your mods. Yes, you must register on Nexus to use Nexus Mod Manager, it's free and isn't at all difficult to learn how to use.
Rokabur Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 I've been registered on Nexus for a few years. I'm just not registered on the Nexus forums cause I have no reason to ever go there.
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 since when do you need to have different accounts for "nexus mods" and "nexus forums" ... ? ... you didnt even try to type in your nick and password, am i right? no offense, but either this is another rant thread, or you want someone to take your hand on this matter and tell you literally what button to click on what page and what program. the best tip for picking the mods you install on your game: RTFM good luck.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now