"Autism is not a disorder"

[Omnishade]

11 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

 

Unmasking is hard and difficult, but it can go a long way.
Grief will hit, once you realize you are autistic. Grief over a life you could have had, but never will.

 

Once you get to terms with all that, you are okay and can live a good and extremely open life.

There are like three stages to it, after you find out you are autistic, especially if you are already an adult.

Relief (You suddenly have explanations you so desperately needed) - Grief (You come to realize what could have been in the past without the autism on your back) - Acceptance (This is the state you can finally move forward from)

 

The grief stage is where most of us give up, sadly. It is a lot. You see all your life in review and see what got fucked up and why. And you will never get a second chance to go back and change it. If you are already in your late 30s or 40s, this is where it will hit you the hardest, and a lot do not make it through that phase.

 

I've been there and survived. You're pointing out something real here, and it feels good to read that I'm not alone in that experience, so thank you. I made the first steps toward moving on. The important part is, you have to try and be constructive, and thanks to corona I was so tired of isolation and destructive behaviour that I turned it around, once society started working again.

 

I had the luck of having a friend I could reconnect with, and he helped me realize you can't do anything about what was, and it's the now and what you do with the rest of your life that matters. Years that weren't as productive or positive as you wanted are still experiences you take with you. 

[Aouregan]

27 minutes ago, Omnishade said:

 

I've been there and survived. You're pointing out something real here, and it feels good to read that I'm not alone in that experience, so thank you. I made the first steps toward moving on. The important part is, you have to try and be constructive, and thanks to corona I was so tired of isolation and destructive behaviour that I turned it around, once society started working again.

 

I had the luck of having a friend I could reconnect with, and he helped me realize you can't do anything about what was, and it's the now and what you do with the rest of your life that matters. Years that weren't as productive or positive as you wanted are still experiences you take with you. 

I totally relate. Less than a month ago I was clinically dead for several minutes. It was one of those days.
I am still stuck somewhere between grief and total acceptance. Most of the times I am good, but there are single days, where it all comes crashing in.
And then I have to read some bumf*ck saying it is vaccines and whatnot. I am sorry, I lack the patience for that XD

P.S.: Sorry for the many edits on all my comments. That is my ADHD kicking in. I will always find something to add or improve.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

I love that this topic exists. We are straying of it, but Autism awareness is and should be a thing.
We missed the mark in what was actually asked, but I think it is important nonetheless.

We, and the world at large, would be much better off, if people understood. Really understood.

 

We struggle a lot, but not necessarily because we are autistic. We struggle, because (neurotypical) people and society are not ready for us.
At the core, I think we are the better and more honest and direct people, and I think they are scared. Being direct and honest does not work in a corporate world. They prefer very much to dance around a topic for two hours, before getting to the essence of it. And then there is this constant and mutual ball shaking. You will already have lost my interest by then and I will be off to eat a sandwich.
We have a heightened justice sensitivity. If I have to witness an injustice going on, it causes me physical discomfort until I step in. Pattern recognition allows me to immediately assess people and situations. How is that not good for society? It is obviously bad for people that have dirt under their rug,

 

I am the perfect companion during a Zombie Apocalypse, cause I shine when shit hits the fan (and I have rehearsed that scenario a couple dozen times).

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[johnpage]

Luckily its a free world and we are each entitled to our own opinion...at least for the time being.

[beefers]

On 1/24/2026 at 5:10 AM, MorePrinniesDood said:

Autism has kept me from dating pretty much my entire life. So if you ask me, it's definitely a disorder.

 

Same.  I had to admit that I don't possess the skills to interact with women I find attractive and the opportunities to learn those skills have become less and less as the years go by.  I'm now 51 and have never had a relationship and have been thinking about going the escort route, which is a depressing thought unto itself.

[Aouregan]

On 6/6/2026 at 2:24 PM, johnpage said:

Luckily its a free world and we are each entitled to our own opinion...at least for the time being.

 

If science disagrees with your opinion, you might want to reevaluate it. Autism is genetic. Not caused by vaccines. Autistic people have more short range connections in the brain and less long range connections, compared to neurotypicals. And that is a measurable fact. Not something an injection will cause.

A good piece of advice from Tim Minchin:
"We must think critically and not just about the ideas of others. Be hard on your beliefs. Take them out onto the veranda and hit them with a cricket bat. Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privileges."

Edited June 23 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

17 hours ago, beefers said:

 

Same.  I had to admit that I don't possess the skills to interact with women I find attractive and the opportunities to learn those skills have become less and less as the years go by.  I'm now 51 and have never had a relationship and have been thinking about going the escort route, which is a depressing thought unto itself.

 

I understand you. I am 49 and if it weren't for my ADHD component, I would have a hella harder time to socialize.
I burnt through probably 5+ long term relationships (4+ years each, not counting anything below that threshold) at this point. I was engaged twice. I have an estranged now 12 year old daughter with one of them. Having a relationships for us is quite a different thing from actually keeping it. That's the hardest part. And losing a relationship due to your own shortcomings or a general lack of understanding is a soul-crushing experience. Suddenly your life and your schedule get turned upside down. Nothing is what it used to be and that is devastating at best. You will go down. And then it is up to you, if you get back up or not. A lot of autistic people do not.

 

P.S.: If you feel like doing it, go the escort route. I won't be judging and no one else should. That is EXACTLY what they exist for. Just do not get attached. It is a service, nothing more. The escort turning love thing is a Hollywood myth.

Also, as mentioned in my previous comment to someone else: Identify your issues. Is there anything else, besides your social incapacity, that prevents anyone from wanting to date you? Be open to yourself, and if you identify anything... try and change it, if you can.

You a flat-earther or anti-vaxxer? You still live with your parents? Those are red flags for 90% of the population. You still have the same hair-do you had as a kid in the 80ies? God, please change it. Just analyze yourself and see what comes from it.

Edited June 23 by Aouregan

[johnpage]

My thesis on life is don’t believe the statements writings bull sheet of others go out there and discover it yourself, you need no ones advice only your own.

[Aouregan]

9 hours ago, johnpage said:

My thesis on life is don’t believe the statements writings bull sheet of others go out there and discover it yourself, you need no ones advice only your own.

 

I wish you good luck with Syphilis, Leprosy, and Aids and such then, if you do not believe in them, unless you got them yourself.

That is the take-away you are giving, "I don't have it? It doesn't exist!"

People suffer through things and thankfully share their experience, so no one else has to,
If you want to deny autism is a thing unless you have it yourself... be my guest. And you don't have it. I can tell. If you were autistic, you wouldn't be content with writing a one-liner. And all your responses here were one-liners.
But don't be surprised if I shelve you with the flat-earthers and shit. That is where you belong. We already know you're an anti-vaxxer. That is already something you can never come back from in my book.

Edited June 23 by Aouregan

[johnpage]

On 6/23/2026 at 1:11 PM, Aouregan said:

 

I wish you good luck with Syphilis, Leprosy, and Aids and such then, if you do not believe in them, unless you got them yourself.

That is the take-away you are giving, "I don't have it? It doesn't exist!"

People suffer through things and thankfully share their experience, so no one else has to,
If you want to deny autism is a thing unless you have it yourself... be my guest. And you don't have it. I can tell. If you were autistic, you wouldn't be content with writing a one-liner. And all your responses here were one-liners.
But don't be surprised if I shelve you with the flat-earthers and shit. That is where you belong. We already know you're an anti-vaxxer. That is already something you can never come back from in my book.

Dear Aouregan why are you trying to force your opinion on me have i not made it clear that i care not for other opinions regarding the dramas of life that are stirred up by parties whose sole purpose is to stir the cup of poop and install in each of us separation so that we persist in being separate, i agree with one thing and that is we are placed on this earth to make a journey, a journey which involves many many others on similar journeys we can agree and we can disagree according to our perception of life learned in our own separate path and we each choose accordingly there are no bad decisions because all decisions lead to a path of learning good or bad for the individual and no two people are the same hence why we are allowed the freedom of choice to agree or disagree. now regarding all the illnesses you state no i have never had them but i am a cancer survivor yay! i can live some more years in this world full of stupid people who walk around with their eyes closed i am not pointing fingers but a lot of people follow the hoaxes that are set upon humanity, you say i am an anti vaxxer but you dont know why im an anti vaxxer you are just labeling without doing the research but then again im guessing because i dont know you, you see my point.

[FauxFurry]

Going by Hollywood movies, it is a Super Power. Is there an Autist version of Charles Xavier who can teach everyone how to use their powers responsibly before 4chan gets to them first? Should autistic people form a team like the AutisMen? 

[beefers]

On 6/29/2026 at 4:54 PM, FauxFurry said:

Going by Hollywood movies, it is a Super Power. Is there an Autist version of Charles Xavier who can teach everyone how to use their powers responsibly before 4chan gets to them first? Should autistic people form a team like the AutisMen? 

hahahaha... Autispeople, UNITE!!  Separately, in your own homes.

 

I wish I could count cards and go to Vegas and get rich.  Doesn't work that way, at least for me.  I do have a super power when it comes to being correct about everything 99% of the time and it's FUCKING EXHAUSTING because people still never listen to me.

[porkybork]

On 6/29/2026 at 4:54 PM, FauxFurry said:

Going by Hollywood movies, it is a Super Power. Is there an Autist version of Charles Xavier who can teach everyone how to use their powers responsibly before 4chan gets to them first? Should autistic people form a team like the AutisMen? 

“The Good Doctor” has done irreparable damage to old people’s perception of high functioning autistic people.

[Aouregan]

21 hours ago, porkybork said:

“The Good Doctor” has done irreparable damage to old people’s perception of high functioning autistic people.

 

Same with the old movies like Rain Man and such. Everybody thinks Autism = Savant Syndrome
That is not the case. They are entirely different, albeit slightly connected. You can get Savant Syndrome from a good hit on the head.

Maybe 10 % of us are Savants, as well, but that's about it. I am sure it is actually lower, given the amount of undiagnosed people out there.
I do actually have to give "The Good Doctor" some credit there. In the very first episode, the president made the distinction between both clear in his speech to the board. He said that Murphy has autism AND savant syndrome. Two different things. Obviously, any random normal person will not notice that and still be like autism = savant syndrome. If Murphy only had autism, he would never make it as a surgeon. He has ASD-2, I reckon? I have ASD-1 and he is so far away from me. He is extremely limited in his social and normal life.

Edited July 6 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

On 6/30/2026 at 1:14 AM, johnpage said:

Dear Aouregan why are you trying to force your opinion on me have i not made it clear that i care not for other opinions regarding the dramas of life that are stirred up by parties whose sole purpose is to stir the cup of poop and install in each of us separation so that we persist in being separate, i agree with one thing and that is we are placed on this earth to make a journey, a journey which involves many many others on similar journeys we can agree and we can disagree according to our perception of life learned in our own separate path and we each choose accordingly there are no bad decisions because all decisions lead to a path of learning good or bad for the individual and no two people are the same hence why we are allowed the freedom of choice to agree or disagree. now regarding all the illnesses you state no i have never had them but i am a cancer survivor yay! i can live some more years in this world full of stupid people who walk around with their eyes closed i am not pointing fingers but a lot of people follow the hoaxes that are set upon humanity, you say i am an anti vaxxer but you dont know why im an anti vaxxer you are just labeling without doing the research but then again im guessing because i dont know you, you see my point.

 

Ok.
But I am pretty sure the first one trying to impose any kind of idea or belief, was you with this one:
"Posted June 2

You are correct Autism is not a disorder its a downright attack by those in control on the human species via injections with the label of safe (yeah right) autism was not a thing in the old days and is relatively new in the timespan of things, its not the health services fault but from whom they buy the drugs from, follow the money for answers. and the mission of those that sell the drugs, absolute chaos and preventative medicine changed from healing to prolonging disease again follow the money."

 

I mean... Pluto wasn't discovered until 1930, either. I am still pretty sure it was there all the time. You do see how you come across as an ignorant idiot, no?
Not only are you an anti-vaxxer, which is bad in itself (And no, I don't give two liquid shits as to why), but you are also an autism denier and have no business being in this thread, unless you want to be torn to shreds. And I will do that with zero remorse. You'll just be another body on my list. So, pretty please, with sugar on top, make sure that anything you say has any foundation in reality and/or research (and no, that does not mean watching a youtube video).

If there is anything I do not tolerate, it is ignorance and stupidity. I will go to town on you for that.

And yeah, there is freedom of opinion, indeed. But racism, sexism, anti-vaxxing, and all that good stuff are not opinions. They are public dangers. And people need to and will be held accountable for that. Easy as. If you use your freedom of speech or opinion to diminish or hurt someone else's natural rights, that is not how it works, my man. You not being vaccinated and going out in public means that you in return diminish someone else's rights to the absence of bodily harm. I am pretty sure that amounts to a felony in most states over there, if it happens. There are a lot of people that cannot get vaccinated for a variety of medical reasons. Doesn't mean they are anti-vaxxers. They'd love to be vaccinated. They just cannot. And you going out there, as someone who COULD be vaccinated, but chose not to, endangers them. You could be asymptomatic and hurl all the shit at them. If they are already immuno-compromised, they will die from that.

 

When the pandemic happened over here in Eastern Europe, government did not leave anything up for debate: You violated lockdown procedures or didn't get vaccinated and someone got the disease or died as a result from that, you ended up with life in prison for murder or manslaughter. Rightfully so. Your opinion won't matter in front of that kind of court. We had military emergency protocol taking over during that period, so it would have been similar to a court martial. We literally had military patrolling the streets and checking on your creds. You'd have been done for without your vax pass or similar..

Edited July 6 by Aouregan

[Nevadathehighelf]

tsk! Man autistic people be assholes bro. They are always talking shit, and then blaming their actions on their 'disorder', without taking responsibility for their own actions.

Even people with Aspergers are more tolerable.

[Aouregan]

3 hours ago, Nevadathehighelf said:

tsk! Man autistic people be assholes bro. They are always talking shit, and then blaming their actions on their 'disorder', without taking responsibility for their own actions.

Even people with Aspergers are more tolerable.

I cannot say you are wrong there. We are arrogant assholes, but we can to 99% back it up.
Aspergers is in the ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) range nowadays btw. Get your facts straight. They are what mostly is considered ASD-1 now, which I fall into.
Aspergers as its own diagnosis does not exist anymore since 2013. You are a bit behind the times.
I love it when people chime in about autism and have no clue and instead sit on knowledge from the 80ies and refuse to budge from there. I have that kind of people for breakfast. I am born in '77 and have lived through the entire history of it.

I am probably more like Sherlock from the TV Show than you think Sherlock himself is. And he identified as a sociopath, which was wrong. Anyone with a shred of psych knowledge can tell you that. He was autistic with ADHD and savant syndrome, not a sociopath. A script writer issue. Only having very few, but deep friendships, comes with that territory. He had a sense of morality which sociopaths genuinely lack. Sociopath is also not a recognized disorder. It is ASPD instead. And he did not have ASPD. He did feel bad for things he did to others. An ASPD person would not. That is the essence of what makes an Antisocial personality disorder person a real ASPD.
And generally heightened justice sensitivity is an autistic / ADHD trait. Most certainly not ASPD. They don't care about anyone, but themselves. And that is not something that goes away because you had a beer with someone. If it did, it wouldn't be a disorder, would it?

And while ADHD and autism have a genetic inheritance rate of around 70%, which is damn high, ASPD is a trauma response and not genetic, for example.

His brother had it, too, speaking for an inherited trait. ASPD cannot be inherited. You want more? I am full of this kind of shit knowledge.

You can ask me anything about the universe and deep space, or Autism/ADHD. I am good on both. I can even cover quantum physics on a basic qubit level. I never had the need to delve deeper than that. I'm a coder. I will beat you with logic. I really don't need more than that, as was demonstrated.

Edited July 6 by Aouregan

[Nevadathehighelf]

2 hours ago, Aouregan said:

I cannot say you are wrong there. We are arrogant assholes, but we can to 99% back it up.
Aspergers is in the ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) range nowadays btw. Get your facts straight. They are what mostly is considered ASD-1 now, which I fall into.
Aspergers as its own diagnosis does not exist anymore since 2013. You are a bit behind the times.
I love it when people chime in about autism and have no clue and instead sit on knowledge from the 80ies and refuse to budge from there. I have that kind of people for breakfast. I am born in '77 and have lived through the entire history of it.

I am probably more like Sherlock from the TV Show than you think Sherlock himself is. And he identified as a sociopath, which was wrong. Anyone with a shred of psych knowledge can tell you that. He was autistic with ADHD and savant syndrome, not a sociopath. A script writer issue. Only having very few, but deep friendships, comes with that territory. He had a sense of morality which sociopaths genuinely lack. Sociopath is also not a recognized disorder. It is ASPD instead. And he did not have ASPD. He did feel bad for things he did to others. An ASPD person would not. That is the essence of what makes an Antisocial personality disorder person a real ASPD.
And generally heightened justice sensitivity is an autistic / ADHD trait. Most certainly not ASPD. They don't care about anyone, but themselves. And that is not something that goes away because you had a beer with someone. If it did, it wouldn't be a disorder, would it?

And while ADHD and autism have a genetic inheritance rate of around 70%, which is damn high, ASPD is a trauma response and not genetic, for example.

His brother had it, too, speaking for an inherited trait. ASPD cannot be inherited. You want more? I am full of this kind of shit knowledge.

You can ask me anything about the universe and deep space, or Autism/ADHD. I am good on both. I can even cover quantum physics on a basic level. I never had the need to delve deeper than that. I'm a coder. I will beat you with logic.

No, no! FUCK facts bro! This what I think, from what I see! Autistic people got issues bro, that, is the fact. It's all their fault bro. They just got these issues, and then blame everybody, like you are doing right now XD, instead of owning their own shit bro. They need Jesus.  SMO I don't care bro, something's gotta be sad ,this coming from a dude with ADHD, and even I say hey got issues.

Edited July 6 by Nevadathehighelf

[Aouregan]

1 hour ago, Nevadathehighelf said:

No, no! FUCK facts bro! This what I think, from what I see! Autistic people got issues bro, that, is the fact. It's all their fault bro. They just got these issues, and then blame everybody, like you are doing right now XD, instead of owning their own shit bro. They need Jesus.  SMO I don't care bro, something's gotta be sad ,this coming from a dude with ADHD, and even I say hey got issues.

 

I got autism and ADHD and I think you are wrong. I am also atheist, always have been, never needed Jesus, never will. I know I got issues. But you cannot identify as autistic or ADHD without acknowledging you have them. You say you have ADHD? You already acknowledge that there are issues. Like it or not.
Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria being a big one with ADHD. You don't like to be taken down a notch. Not even your fault. That is engrained in the ADHD.
But you need to know about it. If you don't, your life is gonna get so much worse. I probably burnt through 3 or 4 long term relationships just because of this one. That was before I even heard about the term RSD. All this is 2010+ knowledge. Research prior to that didn't exist. I had to raw dog it in the nineties. The DSM was only updated in 2013 to allow for autism and ADHD to coexist. Before that those diagnosis were mutually exclusive. Let that sink in. I was already over 30 years old, when that finally happened, winging it as good as I could up to that point.

 

And if anyone tries to diminish the struggle we had and are still having, I will tear them apart, on public display. You face me off on the topic of autism and recent research, you better know what you are talking about. Because, if you don't, I will nail you down on that.

 

EDIT: Also, your writing is shit, but that might not be your fault, so I am not judging just yet. And I am saying this as a German.

Edited July 6 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

There was this story about a Canadian recently, getting arrested for having Adderall, Ritalin or whatever ADHD medication on him over here in Europe.
I need to clarify something there:

The US prescribed drugs like Adderall and such are nothing else than the Amphetamines you can buy on the street here. We call those "Speed". (I take that every half a year or so) Those are illegal drugs!
Adderall, Ritalin and the other drugs were never accepted by the EU Medical Association, because of their high addiction rates. You cannot get them prescribed here and you cannot bring them in without extensive documentation.
We have slow burn replacement drugs over here for that.

 

If you travel with drugs, please inform yourself before, lest you end up in the Emirates with a head less. Dubai doesn't fuck around. You don;t even have to have it on you... just in your bloodstream, and you are fucked. Xanax in your bloodstream on arrival? You are a drug dealer, if they check. That is not an exaggeration.

 

Zero Tolerance: Having even microscopic drug residue on luggage or metabolites (trace byproducts) in blood and urine tests counts as an offense. You can be arrested if drugs are detected in your body, even if they were legally consumed in another country prior to arrival.

 

Don't be stupid... be smart, unlike our unlucky Canadian fellow. Since he is in EU, though, I am sure it is gonna turn out fine for him. He will get off with a slap on the wrist, unless other issues are discovered. Then it will be tough. Like,  If he also turns out to be a wife beater, he won't leave any time soon. We have a zero tolerance policy over here for that. And yes.. our police departments can talk to each other thanks to the wonder of the internet.

Edited July 6 by Aouregan

[FrankCisco]

We had a trainee who was autistic - it absolutely is a disorder, maybee depending on how severe it is. That dude wasn't able to cut bread properly after shown how to do it to fit a sausage in it and that is not even a joke. We would not have been able to integrate him in or normal, average work environment even if we had given him our best (and we tried). So yes: it absolutely is a disorder.
(He didn't proclaim to be autistic before he signed the contract so no one noticed it. But it became very, very clear after a few weeks.)

[Aouregan]

8 minutes ago, FrankCisco said:

We had a trainee who was autistic - it absolutely is a disorder, maybee depending on how severe it is. That dude wasn't able to cut bread properly after shown how to do it to fit a sausage in it and that is not even a joke. We would not have been able to integrate him in or normal, average work environment even if we had given him our best (and we tried). So yes: it absolutely is a disorder.
(He didn't proclaim to be autistic before he signed the contract so no one noticed it. But it became very, very clear after a few weeks.)

Ever since I know, I make it very clear from the beginning.

If he didn't know or realize yet, that is fair. If he was younger it won't be a surprise..
And I agree.. if someone didn't realize it themselves yet, there is little you can do. Let them go.

Edited July 7 by Aouregan

[johnpage]

Ill close the door on the way out.

[FrankCisco]

22 hours ago, Aouregan said:

Ever since I know, I make it very clear from the beginning.

If he didn't know or realize yet, that is fair. If he was younger it won't be a surprise..
And I agree.. if someone didn't realize it themselves yet, there is little you can do. Let them go.

He did know and he said nothing about it. The issue is: there are jobs people with autism can do and many they just can't do. Ours was such a job, in fact when you read what people with autism struggle with it is exactly our job. You will need someone trained specifically in training people with autism wich none of us were. 

So, based on this experience: yes, it is a disorder. One that can be overcome given the circumstances, given support and depending on how severe it is from barely noticeable (wich is where we can debate if it is a disorder or not because it might not even affect you in your daily life or job) to very severe where it definately is a disorder cause those people barely function in daily life without aid - what is that if not a disorder. 

But you are absolutely right about making it clear from the beginning - then people will be helpful and understanding.

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

On 6/2/2026 at 11:34 AM, Aouregan said:

 "Oh, that is John, he doesn't speak much and doesn't like to be touched, but he is the best metal engraver in a hundred mile radius. Just don't interrupt him. And he only eats bass."

 

That sounds kind of like myself and a few other people I know, but then again, that doesn't surprise me. There's a girl I work with sometimes, she's very quiet, very focused on her work, speaks in very monotone ways, and doesn't display much emotion, this is amplified around me in particular, and I think it's because she figured out that I found her kind of cute, she's more animated around the people she likes but it's still very muted, but yeah, I'm pretty sure she's an Aspie (old term but zero fucks given, it still works). I have half a mind to tell her of my suspicions, but I know that could go badly... But... Fuck, I want to tell her so bad...