Expanded Incest Mod

[Gaybunner]

Hi. I'm (obviously) enjoying this mod, but... Is it supposed to give the option to develop crush on infants?!

Honestly, as much as I like this mod, it would be nice in general to be able to turn it off entirely for certain families.

Other than that it works great and I'm having way too much fun with it.

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

13 minutes ago, Gaybunner said:

Hi. I'm (obviously) enjoying this mod, but... Is it supposed to give the option to develop crush on infants?!

Honestly, as much as I like this mod, it would be nice in general to be able to turn it off entirely for certain families.

Other than that it works great and I'm having way too much fun with it.

Absolutely not intended. Someone reported a similar error to me yesterday and I realized that by error I had put species as OR instead of AND in the age appropiateness test set I use to prevent that in super interactions. I updated the mod last night for it to try to fix it. When did you download it? Can you try to download it again to see if it persists? Please let me know whether it does, if you can

Edited February 16 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[Gaybunner]

I just downloaded the latest version and unfortunately it's still a thing.

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

57 minutes ago, Gaybunner said:

I just downloaded the latest version and unfortunately it's still a thing.

Thank you a lot for letting me know. I don't know why, but I can't seem to be able to recreate this bug with any age group... can you tell me more about the context in which is still showing up? Sorry for only asking questions.

I would appreciate if anyone else who downloaded the latest version uploaded some hours ago, could let me know whether or not they are also experiencing this issue as well

Edited February 16 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[Gaybunner]

1 hour ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Thank you a lot for letting me know. I don't know why, but I can't seem to be able to recreate this bug with any age group... can you tell me more about the context in which is still showing up? Sorry for only asking questions.

I would appreciate if anyone else who downloaded the latest version uploaded some hours ago, could let me know whether or not they are also experiencing this issue as well

 

That's totally fine.

When I click on the infant with either parent there's the "Incest" category, which gives "Actions" and that gives "Enable discovery" (or something like it) and "Develop incestuous crush on [baby's name]". It also comes up if I click on the parent with the infant (but with said parent's name of course). None in this household has the Incest trait nor is the Family relations enabled in the WW options.

[Nomyeh]

16 hours ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Thank you a lot for letting me know. I don't know why, but I can't seem to be able to recreate this bug with any age group... can you tell me more about the context in which is still showing up? Sorry for only asking questions.

I would appreciate if anyone else who downloaded the latest version uploaded some hours ago, could let me know whether or not they are also experiencing this issue as well

 

Hey, just downloaded the last version and yep, reproducing the same thing, on children and toddlers at least (didn't try infants). I don't think I have crazy settings/mods going on but I can dig deeper it that can help you

 

Edited February 17 by Nomyeh

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

11 hours ago, Gaybunner said:

 

That's totally fine.

When I click on the infant with either parent there's the "Incest" category, which gives "Actions" and that gives "Enable discovery" (or something like it) and "Develop incestuous crush on [baby's name]". It also comes up if I click on the parent with the infant (but with said parent's name of course). None in this household has the Incest trait nor is the Family relations enabled in the WW options.

 

1 hour ago, Nomyeh said:

 

Hey, just downloaded the last version and yep, reproducing the same thing, on children and toddlers at least (didn't try infants). I don't think I have crazy settings/mods going on but I can dig deeper it that can help you

 

Thank you both! I'm genuinely stumped at this point why the bug is showing up for others and not me. With Sim Info Manager the test shwed as not passing as well. I'm going to try reuploading the mod, maybe it was an upload issue, since I can't think of anything else

 

Edit: Uploaded. Hoping it was just that

Edited February 17 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[Nomyeh]

2 hours ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

 

Thank you both! I'm genuinely stumped at this point why the bug is showing up for others and not me. With Sim Info Manager the test shwed as not passing as well. I'm going to try reuploading the mod, maybe it was an upload issue, since I can't think of anything else

 

Edit: Uploaded. Hoping it was just that

 

Yup, it's gone now (It's gone too for adult-teen relations FYI, even if allowed in WW settings, not sure if it's something you intended)

[Gaybunner]

3 hours ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

 

Thank you both! I'm genuinely stumped at this point why the bug is showing up for others and not me. With Sim Info Manager the test shwed as not passing as well. I'm going to try reuploading the mod, maybe it was an upload issue, since I can't think of anything else

 

Edit: Uploaded. Hoping it was just that

 

24 minutes ago, Nomyeh said:

 

Yup, it's gone now (It's gone too for adult-teen relations FYI, even if allowed in WW settings, not sure if it's something you intended)

Me too, thanks! ☺️

[thegreatdecline]

9 hours ago, Nomyeh said:

 

Yup, it's gone now (It's gone too for adult-teen relations FYI, even if allowed in WW settings, not sure if it's something you intended)

Yes my father/daughter sim romance is broken because she is a teen. Also I am noticing the "covertly ask to teach about sex" option shows up on pretty much any sim my sim talks to now...

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

10 hours ago, Nomyeh said:

 

Yup, it's gone now (It's gone too for adult-teen relations FYI, even if allowed in WW settings, not sure if it's something you intended)

Thank you for letting me know! And yes, it's intended, since I lack the technical skill to make it dependent on a .cfg file/settings

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

10 hours ago, Gaybunner said:

 

Me too, thanks! ☺️

Thanks for letting me know!

 

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

1 hour ago, thegreatdecline said:

Yes my father/daughter sim romance is broken because she is a teen. Also I am noticing the "covertly ask to teach about sex" option shows up on pretty much any sim my sim talks to now...

Since I lack the skill to make it dependent on settings, which requires scripting, this is intended. However, I can try to look into this other issue. Can you tell me more about where this interaction is showing up that it shouldn't and from which sim to which sim?

[thegreatdecline]

1 hour ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Since I lack the skill to make it dependent on settings, which requires scripting, this is intended. However, I can try to look into this other issue. Can you tell me more about where this interaction is showing up that it shouldn't and from which sim to which sim?

So I don't have a handy example for the "covertly ask to teach about sex" interaction, but I did just run into this one:
This sim has no family and he just recently met this person and has no romantic history with her, but these are the incest options shown. Which is confusing because with other sims who do have family (and previously had engaged in incest with the family member) they do not have anything except opinions and morality regardless of relationship levels. I hadn't done a lot with the mod before the recent updates happened, was just getting into it, so I can't be sure if it's something I'm messing up interaction-wise (I've already checked my mod folders and updates) or if it's related to the new updates...

 

Edited February 18 by thegreatdecline

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

29 minutes ago, thegreatdecline said:

So I don't have a handy example for the "covertly ask to teach about sex" interaction, but I did just run into this one:
This sim has no family and he just recently met this person and has no romantic history with her, but these are the incest options shown. Which is confusing because with other sims who do have family (and previously had engaged in incest with the family member) they do not have anything except opinions and morality regardless of relationship levels. I hadn't done a lot with the mod before the recent updates happened, was just getting into it, so I can't be sure if it's something I'm messing up interaction-wise (I've already checked my mod folders and updates) or if it's related to the new updates...

 

 

Alright, if those sims are not related, what you're telling me suggests that tests for interactions meant between family members are passing when they shouldn't. I have had a couple of people tell me they have had a similar issue with things appearing for unrelated sims after I updated the family tests with relbits added in recent patches. However, I have not been able to replicate it, which means that it's probably a difference in the game context in which the mod is being run. What game version are you on? 

[thegreatdecline]

29 minutes ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Alright, if those sims are not related, what you're telling me suggests that tests for interactions meant between family members are passing when they shouldn't. I have had a couple of people tell me they have had a similar issue with things appearing for unrelated sims after I updated the family tests with relbits added in recent patches. However, I have not been able to replicate it, which means that it's probably a difference in the game context in which the mod is being run. What game version are you on? 

I'm on the most recent version of the game (it updated before I could notice and stop it lol) and I checked all my other mods for updates just yesterday so I believe they are all as up to date as they can be.

[hsjfowhruo]

Hi! So I've tried removing literally everything except the things required for the mod and the mod itself but I still have a lot of issues... Btw, I hope I don't come across demanding or anything with this post, just want to share a few things I've been having issues with and a few suggestions

 

One of the issues I'm having being the same as a few other people here with unrelated sims getting options for many interactions (full-on with the sub-categories under incest like the "mentorship" one, "relationship", etc.) as if they were related and engaging in incest. I've only seen/tested and had this issue with spouses, don't know about other unrelated sims. I've noticed that after they, spouses, interact and/or have sex, they get the same moodlets as if they were related and also automatically get the incest trait. I've tried to manually remove the trait, but they just keep appearing when they (again, spouses) are romantic and/or have sex again. 

 

Another issue is that sims will never confess to being in a relationship, or that something is "going on", when parents ask if there is something (incestious) going on even if the sim being asked has the incest-traits that (for me previously) would admit to it. Again, this is in regards to the parents asking if something is going on after witnessing them flirting or something, not when catching them having sex. 

 

Another issue is that a lot of buffs still don't last longer than just basically just flashing and then disappearing, or just straight up wont get triggered at all. Mainly the ones relating to being caught or catching their teens in the act, but also a lot of others. Here are a *few* of the ones I've managed to catch: 

"Please, please don't suspect anything!", "Oh, this is happening" (not sure if this one's intended to only last during sex and that's why it doesn't have a time set and dissappears when they stop?), "Why is my child acting like that?!, "What!" (angry, from witnessing an incestious interaction between ___ relatives), "Caught red-handed" (plus that it comes up even when no one is around, for example the two sims in question were downstairs while the rest of the family was upstairs sleeping), "Not what it looks like!", "Please no!". Again, I've tried to collect some to show some examples, but unfortunately there are more that I simply could not catch due to them all literally flashing by

 

Another two are that "Express support" shows up as option even though the sims is negative towards incest, and also that the "incest" pie menu sometimes disappers for incestious sims that are in a relationship (romantic partners) after a while?

 

Finally, maybe not an "issue", but a suggestion kind of? I figured out that the reason I basically never got any interactions relating to parents catching their teens in the act was because I think the angry moodlets they get when catching them having sex has to be the strongest moodlets they have in order for the interactions to show up. But for me that means I have to go in and delete basically all other moodlets they have since the angry ones get overtaken pretty easily by a couple positive ones. I don't know if there is anything to do about this, but I thought I should mention it while I'm already here lol.

[A N A R U]

9 hours ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Since I lack the skill to make it dependent on settings, which requires scripting, this is intended. However, I can try to look into this other issue. Can you tell me more about where this interaction is showing up that it shouldn't and from which sim to which sim?

Oh no, that's disappointing for my mom son storyline.

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

 

4 hours ago, hsjfowhruo said:

Hi! So I've tried removing literally everything except the things required for the mod and the mod itself but I still have a lot of issues... Btw, I hope I don't come across demanding or anything with this post, just want to share a few things I've been having issues with and a few suggestions

 

One of the issues I'm having being the same as a few other people here with unrelated sims getting options for many interactions (full-on with the sub-categories under incest like the "mentorship" one, "relationship", etc.) as if they were related and engaging in incest. I've only seen/tested and had this issue with spouses, don't know about other unrelated sims. I've noticed that after they, spouses, interact and/or have sex, they get the same moodlets as if they were related and also automatically get the incest trait. I've tried to manually remove the trait, but they just keep appearing when they (again, spouses) are romantic and/or have sex again. 

 

Another issue is that sims will never confess to being in a relationship, or that something is "going on", when parents ask if there is something (incestious) going on even if the sim being asked has the incest-traits that (for me previously) would admit to it. Again, this is in regards to the parents asking if something is going on after witnessing them flirting or something, not when catching them having sex. 

 

Another issue is that a lot of buffs still don't last longer than just basically just flashing and then disappearing, or just straight up wont get triggered at all. Mainly the ones relating to being caught or catching their teens in the act, but also a lot of others. Here are a *few* of the ones I've managed to catch: 

"Please, please don't suspect anything!", "Oh, this is happening" (not sure if this one's intended to only last during sex and that's why it doesn't have a time set and dissappears when they stop?), "Why is my child acting like that?!, "What!" (angry, from witnessing an incestious interaction between ___ relatives), "Caught red-handed" (plus that it comes up even when no one is around, for example the two sims in question were downstairs while the rest of the family was upstairs sleeping), "Not what it looks like!", "Please no!". Again, I've tried to collect some to show some examples, but unfortunately there are more that I simply could not catch due to them all literally flashing by

 

Another two are that "Express support" shows up as option even though the sims is negative towards incest, and also that the "incest" pie menu sometimes disappers for incestious sims that are in a relationship (romantic partners) after a while?

 

Finally, maybe not an "issue", but a suggestion kind of? I figured out that the reason I basically never got any interactions relating to parents catching their teens in the act was because I think the angry moodlets they get when catching them having sex has to be the strongest moodlets they have in order for the interactions to show up. But for me that means I have to go in and delete basically all other moodlets they have since the angry ones get overtaken pretty easily by a couple positive ones. I don't know if there is anything to do about this, but I thought I should mention it while I'm already here lol.

Thank you for taking the time to type this all out in such a detailed way! I will look into what you're telling me and get back to you on it. But right now I will try to focus on the bug where unrelated sims are getting buffs and inteactions meant for family, as it's the worst one, to keep this manageable for myself. (Though, on the buffs disappearing, I will say, unless they are disappearing even in the presence of the sims they're reacting to, that's what broadcast related buffs do: they only appear in the presence of those with the broadcaster and they go away when the sims are apart. Though I can see adding buffs with duration as well being something that can be preferable in some cases.)

Can you give me more details on your game so I can try to gleam a pattern as to why some people are having this issue but I can't seem to replicate it? Game version (though it seems to happen in updated games too), whether it was an old or new save, and which DLC you have installed. If I'm honest I'm having a hard time thinking of many other factors given you tested it on its own. Given it started happening to people recently and the only thing I changed that could cause this in an obvious way is changing the tests (but you never know with modding), I can only think it could be related to the new DLC  (I don't have it installed in my game) or even another one, even though I have no idea how it could possibly interfere with those tests; or a case of specific saves. Can you try on a new save? 

Edited February 18 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

10 hours ago, thegreatdecline said:

I'm on the most recent version of the game (it updated before I could notice and stop it lol) and I checked all my other mods for updates just yesterday so I believe they are all as up to date as they can be.

Thank you for telling me :). I'm a bit stumped with this error. I still have not been able to recreate it, and the only thing that would make sense to me to be causing this, being game version, isn't a factor... Other than that, to try to gleam this one I can only think to ask: Which DLC you have installed, and whether it was an old or new save. Given it started happening to people recently and the only thing I changed that could cause this in an obvious way is changing the tests (but you never know with modding), I only wonder if it could be related to the new DLC  (I don't have it installed in my game) or even another one, even though I have no idea how it could possibly interfere with those tests; or a case of specific saves. Can you try on a new save? 

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

I want to make sure of something regarding the error where sims get interaction meant for family members (such as "enable discovery", "develop incestuous crush", etc.), or get incest-related buffs (such as being ashamed when being romantic), while being unrelated: Is anyone not getting it?  
I'm trying to figure out if this is a universal error and it's only me that can't replicate it, or if it's a product of specific circumstances. 

 

In any case, whether or not they are getting it, if anyone wants to tell me whether they are, and any details about their game theycan think of; it is very much appreciated. Things like: Game version (Doesn't seem to be the factor), DLCs installed, Mods (Doesn't seem to be the factor), kind of save, whether it happens in all saves, or anything you can think of I'm missing.

 

Thank you all for your patience <3.

Edited February 18 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[Lainey]

I noticed what you put about Forbidden Fruits mod, I'm just wondering if you are aware that it appears Forbidden Fruits is getting abandoned (based on what the creator has posted)? With that in mind, I'm wondering if you'd consider expanding your mod to fill the gap this mod would leave? There were some great ideas on this mod that never came to be.

 

[Lainey]

2 hours ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

I want to make sure of something regarding the error where sims get interaction meant for family members (such as "enable discovery", "develop incestuous crush", etc.), or get incest-related buffs (such as being ashamed when being romantic), while being unrelated: Is anyone not getting it?  
I'm trying to figure out if this is a universal error and it's only me that can't replicate it, or if it's a product of specific circumstances. 

 

In any case, whether or not they are getting it, if anyone wants to tell me whether they are, and any details about their game theycan think of; it is very much appreciated. Things like: Game version (Doesn't seem to be the factor), DLCs installed, Mods (Doesn't seem to be the factor), kind of save, whether it happens in all saves, or anything you can think of I'm missing.

 

Thank you all for your patience <3.

I've just popped into my game to check this out and the save I tried the wife was having incest related options like "enable discovery" etc for her husband. No blood relation. Doesn't appear to be available for either husband or wife to their teen daughter. Haven't tried other saves yet so will get back to you with that but this is a fairly new save (post update save) don't know if that is a factor or not. As far as I can see, I have the mods required for this one to work and been through my mods last night to check if they were all working (still have a few on the "unknown list" on mod checkers). Not sure what details about the save would be relevant to know to be helpful. Once I've checked out other saves I'll edit this with update.

 

Edit: Correction. The save I tried was originally created just before the update (11th) but has been played and saved last on 17th. Just tried a different save which is a "vanilla" save so normally played with no mods and didn't have that issue. That was created before update and last played and saved on the 10th. Both saves were of the same family but one with mods the other originally without. Just went into another save where 3 adult sisters live together and were already using incest social interactions with each other and one had just adopted a teenage son. The sisters can still interact incestially, only option with the adopted son is to ask opinion on incest. I had only just got him before last save so no idea how this works in an adoption scenario. That was saved in January. I have many other saves but hopefully these different style of saves give an idea?

Edited February 18 by Lainey

[HalfVampireDoughnut]

4 hours ago, Lainey said:

I've just popped into my game to check this out and the save I tried the wife was having incest related options like "enable discovery" etc for her husband. No blood relation. Doesn't appear to be available for either husband or wife to their teen daughter. Haven't tried other saves yet so will get back to you with that but this is a fairly new save (post update save) don't know if that is a factor or not. As far as I can see, I have the mods required for this one to work and been through my mods last night to check if they were all working (still have a few on the "unknown list" on mod checkers). Not sure what details about the save would be relevant to know to be helpful. Once I've checked out other saves I'll edit this with update.

 

Edit: Correction. The save I tried was originally created just before the update (11th) but has been played and saved last on 17th. Just tried a different save which is a "vanilla" save so normally played with no mods and didn't have that issue. That was created before update and last played and saved on the 10th. Both saves were of the same family but one with mods the other originally without. Just went into another save where 3 adult sisters live together and were already using incest social interactions with each other and one had just adopted a teenage son. The sisters can still interact incestially, only option with the adopted son is to ask opinion on incest. I had only just got him before last save so no idea how this works in an adoption scenario. That was saved in January. I have many other saves but hopefully these different style of saves give an idea?

Thank you a lot for testing this out so thoroughly! I had to go out right after I found out but... I finally was able to replicate the error in my own game. Turns out, I'm dumb as bricks and used the wrong id for half-siblings (consistently since I made new MC relbit presets with the update), and used the "friends" one instead🤦‍♂️. And it wasn't showing up in my game because I was only testing the sims fresh off of cas and they didn't have time to become friends.

 

I am genuinely sorry for making you spend your time and anyone else's on this. The references being right should have been the first thing I thoroughly checked. I'll change all the tests again with the right relbit and update it as soon as I can -if this is indeed the issue and I'm not somehow missing something else

Edited February 18 by HalfVampireDoughnut

[Lainey]

7 minutes ago, HalfVampireDoughnut said:

Thank you a lot for testing this out so thoroughly! I had to go out right after I found out but... I finally was able to replicate the error in my own game. Turns out, I'm dumb as bricks and used the wrong id for half-siblings (consistently since I made new MC relbit presets with the update), and used the "friends" one instead🤦‍♂️. And it wasn't showing up in my game because I was only testing the sims fresh off of cas and they didn't have time to become friends.

 

I am genuinely sorry for making you spend your time and anyone else's on this. The references being right should have been the first thing I thoroughly checked. I'll change all the tests again with the right relbit and update it as soon as I can -if this is indeed the issue and I'm not somehow missing something else

No worries, glad I could help. I still have a few mods unknown for update/working with latest patches so it was nice to have my mods in use for a while.