alternate start Alternate Perspective - In the Midden

[jbezorg]

Alternate Perspective - In the Midden

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All files starting with "AP" require Alternate Perspective - Alternate Start

All files starting with "QM" modify or extend quests. Alternate Perspective IS NOT required

 

AP - In The Midden - Bound.esp
Bound in the Atronach Forge room in the College of Winterhold Midden

 

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• Unforgiving Devices

 

Strongly suggested:

• JK's College of Winterhold (Furniture placement may be off w/out this)

 

AP Option Starts:

• Unforgiving Devices (random)
• Hard Unforgiving Devices (random)
• Contraptions Bondage Chair
• Contraptions Bondage Cross
• Contraptions Bondage Horse
• Contraptions Bondage Pole
• Contraptions Bondage Overhead
• Contraptions Bondage Strappado
• Contraptions Bondage XCross

 

 

AP - In The Midden - Display.esp

Bound in the Atronach Forge room in the College of Winterhold Midden

 

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• Display Model 3

 

Strongly suggested:

• JK's College of Winterhold (Furniture placement may be off w/out this)

AP Option Starts:

• Dollstand
• Queenbreaker
• Chair
• Frame

 

 

AP - In The Midden - Gate - JK.esp (Companion ESP for AP - In The Midden - Display.esp & AP - In The Midden - Bound.esp)
For an extra challenge. Prevents escape from the Collage on Winterhold through the midden. This was created with JK's College of Winterhold installed but it should still work in vanilla.

 

Since you start in the college, the gate to the bridge will sill be locked making you a prisoner of the college. I recommend The Midden - Expanded to give you some areas to explore with The Midden Expanded - Tweaks Fixes and Patches to work with JK Skyrim & JK's College of Winterhold

 

AP - Museum Piece - Pama.esp

After convincing Calcelmo to let me into his Dwemer Museum you have found yourself displayed in some sort of Dwemer device and it's damaging your magicka and producing soul gems as you struggle! [Meta: The Dwemer device is wrecking your magicka as you try to escape, Damage may be permanent]

Note: There is a bug I haven't been able to fix coming from merging Pama's furniture with the escape mechanism from Devious Devices NG where the player can't move unless they open the system menu. A save and reload fixes the flipped menu action. Also. Adjusting the player height to 0.98 seems to makes the Dewmer furniture fit the player better.

 

Note: You must enable Devious Device NG contraption escape game before you start this AP scenario for this to work. The mini-game starts immediately. You do not get to interact with the dwemer device directly.

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• Pama´s Deadly Furniture

 

Strongly Suggested:

• Unforgiving Devices 

 

AP Option Starts:

• Dwemer Museum Piece

 

 

AP - Little Spy - Bound.esp

Rolff paid you a visit to of find out what you really are (Best for Dunmer). Rolff will track the player as soon as they escape the contraption. If he catches you, back you go. It's playable but as of now there's not much except trying to escape.

 

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• Skyrim Sewers 4

 

Strongly Suggested:

• Unforgiving Devices 

 

AP Option Starts:

• Rolff Interrogation - Chair

 

 

AP - College Thesis - Bound.esp
You are a mage's experiment at the College of Whispers. Be careful. They might not like the test subject escaping.

 

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• Enhanced Solitude SSE

 

Strongly Suggested:

• Unforgiving Devices

 

AP Option Starts:

• Contraptions Bondage Chair

 

QM - Blood on the Ice - Player is Victim.esp
This is still a WIP. I havent't got the AI packages working the way I want to. Mainly because after so much testing I know most DDNG Contraption escape sequences up to 12 characters long. Also, since the outcome isn't completely finished, it may get annoying as there is a chance that you'll end up in a contraption again as long as you sleep in Windhelm after completing Blood on the Ice. This ESP should not interfere with other mods that modify the Blood on the Ice quest unless they prevent Calixto from being killed.
 

Wuunferth: "I beg your pardon? Necromancy? I am a member of the College of Winterhold, in good standing! They haven't allowed necromancy for hundreds of years!" - Lies. All lies. Turns out Wuunferth was manipulating Calixto all along and the one who gave him the amulet.

Requires:

• Devious Devices NG
• PO3 Papyrus Extender 

 

Strongly Suggested:

• Unforgiving Devices

 

Note: If the player owns Hjerim, Calixto's House of Curiosities will be used instead with some minor changes. There isn't a backup plan if you have a mod that allows you to purchase Calixto's House of Curiosities

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• Submitter
  jbezorg
• Submitted
  11/01/25
• Category
  Other
• Requirements
  Devious Devices NG, Pama´s Deadly Furniture, Display Model 3, Alternate Perspective - Alternate Start
• Regular Edition Compatible
  No
• Install Instructions

  I strongly suggest using a Mod Manager like MO2 or Vortex. 

 

[IcicleInn]

Very interested in testing this out, but as a note, both College Thesis and Museum piece cite "Enhanced Solitude" as a master, not "Solitude Expansion"

[Dendriah]

so i dont know what im missing but the dwemer one doesnt work for me i zone into it and i am there as normal but i cant interact or do anything with it

[jbezorg]

3 hours ago, IcicleInn said:

Very interested in testing this out, but as a note, both College Thesis and Museum piece cite "Enhanced Solitude" as a master, not "Solitude Expansion"

 

Thanks for that catch.

[jbezorg]

1 hour ago, Dendriah said:

so i dont know what im missing but the dwemer one doesnt work for me i zone into it and i am there as normal but i cant interact or do anything with it

 

Have you used the Devious Device NG contraption escape game? That must be enabled before you start this AP scenario for this particular one to work.

Edited November 2, 2025 by jbezorg

[scoul73]

Always nice to see some new alternate starts. Still building out a new load order so I haven't tried them yet, but just loading them in MO2 shows me that Solitude Expansion is required for the museum start, which I assume takes place in Markarth. Is that a mistake, or does the start somehow involve going all the way to Solitude?

 

Also, it is your mod and therefore your rules, but I don't know how many people are going to be willing to install an entire city overhaul for an alternate start scenario. If there is a way of doing them that doesn't require a city overhaul mod, they may get more traction.

[jbezorg]

1 hour ago, scoul73 said:

Always nice to see some new alternate starts. Still building out a new load order so I haven't tried them yet, but just loading them in MO2 shows me that Solitude Expansion is required for the museum start, which I assume takes place in Markarth. Is that a mistake, or does the start somehow involve going all the way to Solitude?

 

Also, it is your mod and therefore your rules, but I don't know how many people are going to be willing to install an entire city overhaul for an alternate start scenario. If there is a way of doing them that doesn't require a city overhaul mod, they may get more traction.

 

The esp files have their own requirements and they're listed for each. Pick and choose. You don't have to enable/use them all.

[Mayrella]

How exactly do you get captured/do the Blood on the ice quest, it just completes all normally for me

Clarification: I can do the entirety of the Blood on the Ice quest as normal without anything triggering for any other dialogue options or events happening during the quest

Edited November 3, 2025 by Mayrella
Clarification

[theaddy]

Liking these captured quest but is AP really required to use those scenarios with additional location mods instead of vanilla locations? 

[jbezorg]

7 hours ago, Mayrella said:

How exactly do you get captured/do the Blood on the ice quest, it just completes all normally for me

Speep in Windhelm after the quest is completed. There is a % chance that it will happen.  This will not go away
 

[Vuzzar]

Cool scenarios! I especially like the Dwemer museum one. However, the escape minigame does not work with a gamepad. I tried changing the script myself, but I can't compile it because I'm probably missing some scripts somewhere 

Copying the OnInit() event from zadcNGEscapeMinigame.psc should do the trick

[jbezorg]

 

47 minutes ago, theaddy said:

Liking these captured quest but is AP really required to use those scenarios with additional location mods instead of vanilla locations? 

 

Not all of them require location mods but, yeah, the required mods are required.

[jbezorg]

5 minutes ago, Vuzzar said:

Cool scenarios! I especially like the Dwemer museum one. However, the escape minigame does not work with a gamepad. I tried changing the script myself, but I can't compile it because I'm probably missing some scripts somewhere 

Copying the OnInit() event from zadcNGEscapeMinigame.psc should do the trick

 

Send me the changes you need. I'll see if I can add gamepad detection

 

 

[Vuzzar]

It should work, but I'll test it out

AP_PAMA_EscapeMinigame_Main.psc

[jbezorg]

3 hours ago, Vuzzar said:

It should work, but I'll test it out

AP_PAMA_EscapeMinigame_Main.psc 24.09 kB · 1 download

Keyboard controls still work

 

Alternate Perspective - In the Midden.7z

Edited November 4, 2025 by jbezorg

[Vuzzar]

3 hours ago, jbezorg said:

Keyboard controls still work

 

Alternate Perspective - In the Midden.7z 1.76 MB · 1 download

 

Hummmm it doesn't work  Try out my version instead. I took it from DDNG escape game which works with a controller

Event OnInit()
	validKeys = new int[4]
	if Game.UsingGamepad()
		validKeys[0] = 274 ; Left_Shoulder
		validKeys[1] = 275 ; Right_Shoulder
		validKeys[2] = 280 ; Left_Trigger
		validKeys[3] = 281 ; Right_Trigger
	Else
		validKeys[0] = Input.GetMappedKey("Back", 0)
		validKeys[1] = Input.GetMappedKey("Forward", 0)
		validKeys[2] = Input.GetMappedKey("Strafe Left", 0)
		validKeys[3] = Input.GetMappedKey("Strafe Right", 0)
	EndIf

	requiredCode = new int[16]
	requiredDurations = new float[16]
	enteredCode = new int[16]
EndEvent

 

EDIT:

I did some more testing (still on the dwarven museum scenario) and I found that at some point an infinite loop seems to trigger. Soul gems come out every second, debug notifications go nuts, player is having 10 orgasms at the same time. If you don't escape and stay too long in it.

Also, I was looking at the script and was wondering from what mod Devious Curses - DCDDQI.esp is from?

Edited November 4, 2025 by Vuzzar
more things to say

[scoul73]

21 hours ago, jbezorg said:

The esp files have their own requirements and they're listed for each. Pick and choose. You don't have to enable/use them all.

 

Yes, I saw. My confusion was that a start in Markarth would require a Solitude mod. But if you say they are required, I guess that the start involves Solitude in some way, or at least some resource from the mod.

[jbezorg]

9 hours ago, scoul73 said:

 

Yes, I saw. My confusion was that a start in Markarth would require a Solitude mod. But if you say they are required, I guess that the start involves Solitude in some way, or at least some resource from the mod.

 

Try the one I just posted for the game controllers. I cleaned out unused masters.

[Masterman0]

Is there any chance of making the starts available for Alternate Start - Live Another Life?

[jbezorg]

18 hours ago, Vuzzar said:

 

Hummmm it doesn't work  Try out my version instead. I took it from DDNG escape game which works with a controller

Event OnInit()
	validKeys = new int[4]
	if Game.UsingGamepad()
		validKeys[0] = 274 ; Left_Shoulder
		validKeys[1] = 275 ; Right_Shoulder
		validKeys[2] = 280 ; Left_Trigger
		validKeys[3] = 281 ; Right_Trigger
	Else
		validKeys[0] = Input.GetMappedKey("Back", 0)
		validKeys[1] = Input.GetMappedKey("Forward", 0)
		validKeys[2] = Input.GetMappedKey("Strafe Left", 0)
		validKeys[3] = Input.GetMappedKey("Strafe Right", 0)
	EndIf

	requiredCode = new int[16]
	requiredDurations = new float[16]
	enteredCode = new int[16]
EndEvent

 

EDIT:

I did some more testing (still on the dwarven museum scenario) and I found that at some point an infinite loop seems to trigger. Soul gems come out every second, debug notifications go nuts, player is having 10 orgasms at the same time. If you don't escape and stay too long in it.

I recompiled with your changes and with the newest version of Pama's Deadly Furniture. Hopefully that'll fix the infinite loop

 

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Also, I was looking at the script and was wondering from what mod Devious Curses - DCDDQI.esp is from?

Unfinished work for BHUNP and Devious Curses based on this mod. "Devious Curses - DCDDQIUD.esp" is the Unforgiving Devices version. Angeli created Dwemer animated plugs a long time ago and I had asked for and got permission to use them. Got them added to the suit. Can't get them to animate. 

[Vuzzar]

44 minutes ago, jbezorg said:

I recompiled with your changes and with the newest version of Pama's Deadly Furniture. Hopefully that'll fix the infinite loop

 

I tested without a controller to get the infinte loop though. I was deliberately failing the minigame on purpose (I find it way too easy early on, but then it becomes almost impossible the more I fail) and somewhere down the line, an infinite loop triggers. So it's not triggered by the controller to be clear.

I'm testing the new script with gamepad support right now. My first test didn't work, but I'm investigating.

 

EDIT: Is it the only thing you changed in the script? now I get this debug notification when entering the device: "[zadc-NG] Cannot start contraption struggle escape minigame because player is not locked in a contraption." It's the first time I get this notification and it shows if I start with a controller and without one. The escape minigame also doesn't work both ways. requiredCode[] and requiredDurations[] get initialised with only 0s and pressing buttons doesn't do anything 🤔

 

44 minutes ago, jbezorg said:

Unfinished work for BHUNP and Devious Curses based on this mod. "Devious Curses - DCDDQIUD.esp" is the Unforgiving Devices version. Angeli created Dwemer animated plugs a long time ago and I had asked for and got permission to use them. Got them added to the suit. Can't get them to animate. 

 

Ahhhh I saw the "Devious Curses" in there and I thought it was a patch made for the dwarven cuirass in the mod. That looks cool!

Edited November 4, 2025 by Vuzzar

[jbezorg]

1 hour ago, Vuzzar said:

I tested without a controller to get the infinte loop though. I was deliberately failing the minigame on purpose (I find it way too easy early on, but then it becomes almost impossible the more I fail) and somewhere down the line, an infinite loop triggers. So it's not triggered by the controller to be clear.

I'm testing the new script with gamepad support right now. My first test didn't work, but I'm investigating.

 

EDIT: Is it the only thing you changed in the script? now I get this debug notification when entering the device: "[zadc-NG] Cannot start contraption struggle escape minigame because player is not locked in a contraption." It's the first time I get this notification and it shows if I start with a controller and without one. The escape minigame also doesn't work both ways. requiredCode[] and requiredDurations[] get initialised with only 0s and pressing buttons doesn't do anything 🤔

 

This is an issue with recompiling with either the newer version of DDNG and/or Pama's Deadly furniture and combining both. 

[Vuzzar]

2 minutes ago, jbezorg said:

This is an issue with recompiling with either the newer version of DDNG and/or Pama's Deadly furniture and combining both.

 

I use DDNG v0.4.2 and Pama v3.3.2 which are both the newest versions.

[jbezorg]

There's AP_PAMA_MuseumPiece_Main which acts as a bridge between PamaFurniture_DwemerElectricDevice and AP_PAMA_EscapeMinigame_Main. It converts the the results of the minigame into furniture actione w/in PamaFurniture_DwemerElectricDevice script.

[jbezorg]

14 minutes ago, Vuzzar said:

I use DDNG v0.4.2 and Pama v3.3.2 which are both the newest versions.

I wrote the mod using the previous versions of both. I released this mod right as Pama was releasing updates. So I decided to update both. Compiling with the new versions broke the bridge.