Arcanic_Eye Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Hi! I have questions to ask starting from how my current PC being not all that impressive at running high-end games, especially skyrim with over 350 mods and ENB's. Now I'm no tech expert but I think these are all my specs: An Nvidia Geforce GT 620 graphics card Processor/CPU: AMD A10-5700 APU with Radeon HD, 3.40GHZ 8GB ram 1TB hardrive My budget is pretty low since I'm a uni student and I don't have a job yet but I've been searching for an affordable high-end card and came across this one: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-SUPERCLOCKED-Graphics-02G-P4-2662-KR/dp/B00966IREK/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Seems that I can run AC4 well enough with this one I suppose considering how even on the lowest settings I lag. The questions are if I can run ENB's smoothly with the 660 and that would I be able to upgrade to this without any problems? Is there anything else I would need to upgrade in order for pc to function well enough with this card? Just a reminder that I know very little about pc parts and hardware affecting performance.
jagyro Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 what graphics card do you have currently? Because your processor is on the low end and can cause the same issues as a slow video card.
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I've heard very good things about the 660. I'm considering buying one myself.
FallenWarrior Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I've heard very good things about the 660. I'm considering buying one myself. Planning on getting the OC version myself.
Spell Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 My suggestion is this: http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Turbo-DLDVI-I-Graphics-H270XQMT2G2M/dp/B00FNHVVP8/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1389881150&sr=1-3 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/R9_270X_IceQ_X2_Turbo_Boost/26.html
wayra Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Here's the best value charts for gpu: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html. Decide what's the maximum amount of money you can spend (the more the better), add 20% to that budget, then go down the list from the top and get the first one that matches ur maximum budget. Wait for that card on sale to nab it. When you consider upgrading your GPU, there are 3 things you need to consider. The power supply, the gpu interface sockets on your motherboard, and finally whether you have enough space. (also make sure that your graphic card won't get in the way of sockets on your motherboard.) Good luck edit: btw, the gpu market sucks right now, I got my 7950's before thanksgiving for $170, but thanks to litecoin miners, the sudden demand for tahiti cards has pushed the gpu prices way higher. The same 7950 can retail for $300-400 now. If you can wait, then wait.
prideslayer Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I would.. not use that last chart. It's a "bang for the buck" chart and is thus showing things like the 560Ti near the top of the list, when it's significantly slower than some of the other cards beneath it. The card you're originally looking at looks decent enough, but if you can afford a little more, look at a 670 or 760 -- Or whatever the comperable ATI/AMD thing is.
RitualClarity Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I like my 670. If I couldn't have gotten this I was going to get a 660 ti or as a cheaper choice 660 OC. Look for specials. 6## series is older and should be having some good prices now. As for the newer cards 760 would be great if the price is right.
Rayblue Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Hi! I have questions to ask starting from how my current PC being not all that impressive at running high-end games, especially skyrim with over 350 mods and ENB's. Now I'm no tech expert but I think these are all my specs: An Nvidia Geforce GT 620 graphics card Processor/CPU: AMD A10-5700 APU with Radeon HD, 3.40GHZ 8GB ram 1TB hardrive My budget is pretty low since I'm a uni student and I don't have a job yet but I've been searching for an affordable high-end card and came across this one: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-SUPERCLOCKED-Graphics-02G-P4-2662-KR/dp/B00966IREK/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Seems that I can run AC4 well enough with this one I suppose considering how even on the lowest settings I lag. The questions are if I can run ENB's smoothly with the 660 and that would I be able to upgrade to this without any problems? Is there anything else I would need to upgrade in order for pc to function well enough with this card? Just a reminder that I know very little about pc parts and hardware affecting performance. Since you're using an APU, some HD6XXX and HD7XXX series cards will work in dual graphics provided that you first check out this list: http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html
prideslayer Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I like my 670. If I couldn't have gotten this I was going to get a 660 ti or as a cheaper choice 660 OC. Look for specials. 6## series is older and should be having some good prices now. As for the newer cards 760 would be great if the price is right. I just replaced my 560Ti with a 760, it's a great 'budget' card for $250.
Captain Cobra Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 What ever you get, make sure it has at least 2gigs of ram. More, if possible.
wayra Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 I would.. not use that last chart. It's a "bang for the buck" chart and is thus showing things like the 560Ti near the top of the list, when it's significantly slower than some of the other cards beneath it. Yes, that's why I said in my post to decide your maximum budget and then get the GPU that matches that.
Arcanic_Eye Posted January 18, 2014 Author Posted January 18, 2014 Ok, so I guess I'll wait a bit then and save a little more for a 760. That aside, what would you guys recommend from this list? Preferably below $280. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/buy-online
prideslayer Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 I can't recommend anything other than the one I have, the evga (5th down, 2G without 'super' anything), currently out of stock at newegg. $250. You'll have to look at review sites and benchmarks and such for an objective opinion, but I'm happy with it. On the list I would personally only buy the evga or pny. No msi, gigabyte, or zotac for me.
van_gelis Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 In the beginning and first of all a good PSU must be acquired.Sometimes availability is an issue.My msi 560-non special edition- just die after a reboot three days ago. My mind has been set right way towards buying a reference design evga or better yet a gainward 760,because i have read this thread before my ex-card started heading for the dumpster-the proper blue one if anyone cares -.That was a wishful thinking well to cut the long story short i ended up with this card for the only reason 24 hours from the order to delivery .Now why i am feeling kind of sad having a brand new card installed and working properly oh same brand as the old one .
wayra Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 I see that on this thread, no one has told you which graphics card would run skyrim+enb smoothly. I can only tell you that with a 7950 (equivalent to 760), I still get quite a bit of lag. But the nvidia is probably optimized for skyrim, so IDK.
Guest endgameaddiction Posted January 19, 2014 Posted January 19, 2014 I see that on this thread, no one has told you which graphics card would run skyrim+enb smoothly. I can only tell you that with a 7950 (equivalent to 760), I still get quite a bit of lag. But the nvidia is probably optimized for skyrim, so IDK. AMD/ATI cards also have problems with ENB binaries. Not sure about the binaries for Skyrim, but I know the one's for Fallout do. So that's something they might what to keep an eye out when window shopping. I mean if it's specifically for Skyrim + ENBs.
M.BISON Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 ii would get the MSI gaming reasons are in these links or if you have the money get the msi hawk is clocked the highest http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1832430/brand-gtx-760-buy.html http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1717946/gtx-760-brand-chose.html
Rayblue Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 I see that on this thread, no one has told you which graphics card would run skyrim+enb smoothly. I can only tell you that with a 7950 (equivalent to 760), I still get quite a bit of lag. But the nvidia is probably optimized for skyrim, so IDK. AMD/ATI cards also have problems with ENB binaries. Not sure about the binaries for Skyrim, but I know the one's for Fallout do. So that's something they might what to keep an eye out when window shopping. I mean if it's specifically for Skyrim + ENBs. Boris is trying to address the needs of both sides. So far, I haven't had a problem between his not-so-recent binaries (using 0.221 and Project ENB), Catalyst 13.12 and HD7750, except it's a must to update drivers completely. (TBH, when I was building my own rig for the first time, I originally wanted to buy a nVidia GPU on a shoestring budget, but when the store didn't have what I wanted -- I wasn't sure on the GF210, as I was still confused about the then-new card nVidia releases, and the makers came out with too many choices, I was offered instead an HD4670 for a song and at the same price of the 210, and bought it. A month later, I decided to compare the HD4670 against the GF210... by the numbers I felt lucky that I bought a very good card for its time, despite that it had Hypermemory enabled.)
vandals01 Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 In the beginning and first of all a good PSU must be acquired. Sometimes availability is an issue.My msi 560-non special edition- just die after a reboot three days ago. My mind has been set right way towards buying a reference design evga or better yet a gainward 760,because i have read this thread before my ex-card started heading for the dumpster-the proper blue one if anyone cares -. That was a wishful thinking well to cut the long story short i ended up with this card for the only reason 24 hours from the order to delivery .Now why i am feeling kind of sad having a brand new card installed and working properly oh same brand as the old one . +1 From my hardware experience (assemble PC since 1999), PSU and Graphic card very much goes together. If you want to upgrade a graphic card, first thing you should do is assess the Maximum output of your PSU. A lot of people do not know, is that A LOT OF CHEAP PSU are fake in their power ratings, Saying 500w, but you'll be surprised that they can not deliver 240w So... please can you give us the detail of your PSU before everyone goes into deciding which Graphic card is good...
van_gelis Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Well a bit or a bite of pink publicity won't hurt anyone my current psu -and for the past two years that is - is an Antec hcp-750w. For me only Antec Seasonic Xilence and maybe Fractal Design worth they're money the rest are just psus (power stable until shortcut ) and the reason for my purchase was http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/HCP_750W/4.html this page of the review exactly this page i didn't get to the end part were it get's only 8.9 !
vandals01 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Well a bit or a bite of pink publicity won't hurt anyone my current psu -and for the past two years that is - is an Antec hcp-750w. For me only Antec Seasonic Xilence and maybe Fractal Design worth they're money the rest are just psus (power stable until shortcut ) and the reason for my purchase was http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Antec/HCP_750W/4.html this page of the review exactly this page i didn't get to the end part were it get's only 8.9 ! Well, 750w is kind of overkill unless you are deploying Crossfire / SLI and maybe over-clocking Believe it or not, a lot of PC component actually matched their Thermal Designed Power (TDP). For Example, my rig consist of: i5 4570 (84w TDP) HD6850 (127w TDP) 3 x HDD, 1 x SSD, 3 additional Fan I uses a watt meter to monitor my PC's power consumption constantly. The highest power I ever managed to pull out from my system was 264w. It is a Bronze 80+ PSU, and it would have efficiency of around 84% at 200 to 280w. 254 x 0.84 = 222w (actual wattage used by the PC components) Most of the time, my PC would be sitting at idle, like now 86.4w In terms of brands, I'm currently using Enermax (Pro 82+ 525w). Friends of mine uses BeQuiet / Corsair / Antec. It may surprises you: A lot of Power Supply Seller do not make their own Power supply. Antec for example got most of their PSU from Seasonic. Corsair... is kind of mixed, they had a long term relationship with Seasonic as well as Channel-Well-Technology (CWT). So you really had to read the reviews. Nevertheless, if they had a 80 plus rating, they are generally trustworthy. 80 plus is an efficiency standard in that the PSU must have 80%+ power efficiency at 20% / 50% AND 100% load. And being 80% efficient at 100% load means the power supply HAS to be able to deliver its power rating. The only problem with 80 plus is that: they assess the power supply at 23C. As we shall see in this article, 23C IS NOT the typical temperature in a PC case, not unless you mount the PSU like I did that extracts air from bottom of the case and push it to the back. For most people... I would say 35C to say 50C... would have a hotter PSU. And by hotter, it would reduce its efficiency and in some cases, not being ablle to deliver 100% load. (at 97~% they are fine, 100% they will shut down) There's also incidence where PSU carries a fake 80 plus badge (namely: KMEX / Coolmax / Spire), thankfully they are only minority. Anyway. The way I select PSU is this: 1. Work out the TDP of overall components. 2. Add an extra 100 to 200w for safety 3. Shop around on the web for PSU, read their reviews (preferably from HardwareSecrets as well as users for possiblity of defective products.) or if you are new, try this site: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp At the bottom, there's an option for Capacitor Ageing. Capacitor Ageing used to be a problem in old days, however with virtually everyone switched to Solid Capacitor, I haven't seen my old system (AMD Phenom II x3 720) changed power consumption from day of purchased to the day I give it away (for 4 years + 6 months). But I would probably add another 100w to the recommended PSU just to be safe (in case you want to change graphic card or something).
prideslayer Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I'm a fan of seasonic due simply to the modular stuff. When I had my motherboard/raid fiasco I also popped in a SS-750KM3. I had a corsair 750W semi-modular in previously, which I moved into my HTPC. My UPS reports draw like vandal's wattmeter and my experience is much the same. In normal usage, it's only drawing about 165W with 4 HDDs, a 4core Haswell Xeon, and a GTX760. I seldom see over about 280W when gaming.
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