evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 This began happening MANY hours ago in the save file I'm playing in... at first I thought it was a problem with the dungeon I was trying to enter but not anymore. I've narrowed the crashing down to whenever I save my game.The fix is somewhat simple: When I get this bug, I backtrack to an old save that doesn't suffer from the glitch, save to a new file without the CtD issue, then I can load up the file I was playing in and run along just fine. I had to do this once, and mis-attributed it to the idea that the dungeon had been re-generated (because I backtracked to a save-file before I entered the dungeon.)It happened again during the questline for Azura's Star, which is where I defined the problem - that was yesterday. Today, it's happened on two separate occasions. If I extrapolate the frequency with which I encounter this bug, by tomarrow I'll not be able to play any longer. Given the extensive amount of effort and time I've put into this playthrough, I'd really rather not start over again (this was the 2nd playthrough with this character build I've started.)if anyone knows anything, or anyone knowledgeable knows what to ask of me - papyrus logs, crash logs, whatever logs - I would absolutely love to know what's causing this problem. I'm starting to get really desperate. It's one thing to suffer a random CtD once every few hours while running out and about (My client is modded, I EXPECT that) but this is much more intimidating than the occasional 'lose ten minutes of gameplay' problem.I have cleaned my game with TES5Edit (but not the mod files, as I don't know what the deal is with that), I've ordered my mods with BOSS. I haven't been able to view my system memory usage due to my ENB getting in the way. I can supply any and all information asked for. I simply have no idea what information is relevant. --TL;DR: Halp, game CtD on Save becoming more common as I play through the game http://imgur.com/5SpZit1 - Save files, since someone asked how large it was. I save often, and I don't use Quicksave as I've seen it mentioned on Sands of Time's mod page that quicksaving doesn't work well with it's scripts. Load Order: Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp ApachiiHair.esm SPIKE.esm ClimatesOfTamriel.esm EB-Races.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm SkyUI.esp AMatterOfTime.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RaceMenu.esp iHud.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp WetandCold.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp RND_Hearthfire-Patch.esp RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp RND_AnimalLoot.esp RND_USKP-Patch.esp Cloaks.esp theFlicker.esp When Vampires Attack.esp Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Northborn Fur Hoods.esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Beards.esp FlameAtronachArmor.esp FullBootForKKSA.esp TorchesforRL (default life time).esp Hrothtrooper44_ArmorCompliation.esp Babette.esp TheEyesOfBeauty - Elves Edition.esp Serana-ish Vampires.esp RLA_Torches_Flicker.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City interio... Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteri... Realistic Lighting Overhal - Minor Cities and ... Realisitic Lighting Overhaul - Brighter Dungeo... Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Inter... Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers - Brigh... Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp Run For Your Lives.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp ImmersiveWeapons.esp LustmordVampireArmor.esp BVFE_Serana.esp The Dance Of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Better Vampires.esp towConversation.esp UFO - Ultimate FOllower Overhaul.esp Convenient Horses.esp HelmetToggle2.02b.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force- Realistic.esp FNISspells.esp Brawl Bugs CE.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp 3DNPC.esp Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp Alternate Start - Live another Life.esp Bestiality_NudeBears.esp bestrape.esp deathHoundFix.esp Futa Equippable.esp ImmersiveFP.esp MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp Sexlab Romance.esp Sexlab Theft and Seduction.esp Sexlab Warmbodies.esp SexlabMatchMaker.esp SexlabUtil1.esp SexLab_Paycrime.esp WATER.esp WATER Plants.esp WATER DB.esp WATER DG.esp CandlelightShadow.esp CandelightToggle10.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.esp Arvak, Shadowmere's Body - DB Saddle.esp Trying to find papyrus.log now. I've enabled the feature in my ini file, but it doesn't seem to be saving a log file anywhere that I can find.
gvman3670 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 I'd say that ALL information you could give would be relevant. The more the better. Right?
brokencircle Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 I 'm not one of the geniuses here on LL, but a load order and a papyrus log should suffice in helping find your problem. Just how big is your save game?
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 As an update, the 'safe' save file I was using to load up so I could save my game now crashes upon loading, immediately. This is truly irritating, as my mods have not changed since that file was made.I am now investigating how to record a load order and papyrus log, and will post it momentarily.
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 Load order added to main post, along wtih screenshot of save file folder's contents for reference. Trying to find my papyrus logs now.
myuhinny Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 If you have only used BOSS for your load order you should also run TES5edit afterwards as BOSS is not a 100% fail safe as it only places what mods it know about in the correct order anything that it doesn't know about gets thrown around willy nilly to where ever it wants to throw them and you have to place them in the load order wherever the mod author says to place them if there is no specific place to move them then place them where you want to have them. Running TES5edit it will stop every time it hits a error in your load order read what the error is fix it close TES5edit and restart it again and keep repeating till it hits no other errors and is able to load up completely.
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 If you have only used BOSS for your load order you should also run TES5edit afterwards as BOSS is not a 100% fail safe as it only places what mods it know about in the correct order anything that it doesn't know about gets thrown around willy nilly to where ever it wants to throw them and you have to place them in the load order wherever the mod author says to place them if there is no specific place to move them then place them where you want to have them. Running TES5edit it will stop every time it hits a error in your load order read what the error is fix it close TES5edit and restart it again and keep repeating till it hits no other errors and is able to load up completely. I've used TES5edit to 'clean' the 'dirty edits' from bathesda's main files & DLC, as indicated by a simple-to-follow walkthrough. I am entirely unfamiliar on how to use it for any other purpose. Is there documentation or a walkthrough for using it to manage load-order and so forth?
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 If you have only used BOSS for your load order you should also run TES5edit afterwards as BOSS is not a 100% fail safe as it only places what mods it know about in the correct order anything that it doesn't know about gets thrown around willy nilly to where ever it wants to throw them and you have to place them in the load order wherever the mod author says to place them if there is no specific place to move them then place them where you want to have them. Running TES5edit it will stop every time it hits a error in your load order read what the error is fix it close TES5edit and restart it again and keep repeating till it hits no other errors and is able to load up completely. I've used TES5edit to 'clean' the 'dirty edits' from bathesda's main files & DLC, as indicated by a simple-to-follow walkthrough. I am entirely unfamiliar on how to use it for any other purpose. Is there documentation or a walkthrough for using it to manage load-order and so forth?
gvman3670 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Have you run across a little program called Skyrim Save Cleaner yet? That might help you in this case. I've used it and it's helped in some cases. It's on the Nexus.
smudge78 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 By any chance are you using the physics extension app for skse?
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 Have you run across a little program called Skyrim Save Cleaner yet? That might help you in this case. I've used it and it's helped in some cases. It's on the Nexus. Can't say that I have. I'll dig around, thanks for the tip.
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 By any chance are you using the physics extension app for skse? Don't know what that is. Doesn't mean it didn't come part & parcel with another mod, though. How would I check?
smudge78 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 By any chance are you using the physics extension app for skse? Don't know what that is. Doesn't mean it didn't come part & parcel with another mod, though. How would I check? It wouldn't have come with another mod. Its an extension plug in for SKSE. Have you added any new mods recently? If so I would turn them off and create a clean save( if the game will let you that is ) and play for a while to see if the problem persist.
evilsqueegee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 By any chance are you using the physics extension app for skse? Don't know what that is. Doesn't mean it didn't come part & parcel with another mod, though. How would I check? It wouldn't have come with another mod. Its an extension plug in for SKSE. Have you added any new mods recently? If so I would turn them off and create a clean save( if the game will let you that is ) and play for a while to see if the problem persist. I have not added any new mods since a long while ago.
Uriel Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 About the save size - my Skyrim becomes a complete disaster when my save reaches 15,5Mb's. Your's are ~10 yet xD To enable logging, in Skyrim.ini set under [Papyrus] section: bEnableLogging=1bEnableTrace=1bLoadDebugInformation=1 Logs will appear in \Documents\My Games\Skyrim\Logs\Script.
Guest Ragna_Rok Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 my saves are somewhere around 25 - 30 mb, and that lovely game runs as smooth as i could wish for. but i also run no body mods or stuff that uses skript, i mainly got weapons / armors / smaller goodies like a "plant new stuff in your garden" mod and a couple of new lands that also come with new gear and spells... only follower mod used is ufo.
Uriel Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Yeah, that might be the only way to keep your save alive. xD This is not a guarantee too though, you can screw Skyrim up completely just by installing a messed up mesh somewhere. And you'll go crazy trying to find what's wrong.
D_ManXX2 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 omg how many mods are you guys even using ?? mine never goes above 6mb. Previously i had 120 mods and still it was near 8mb right now i reduced all of it back to 30 mods. Also i try to play with as not too many scripted mods. Unmodded skyrim makes the saves only 2 or 3 mb. if it rises to high you will increase the chance for save game bloats.
Uriel Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 You don't really need a lot of mods. You just might be out of luck installing the bugged one. 2-3mb in vanilla? That's only because it was early game i think. The save size increases as you progress with the story, leave all kinds of loot, items, objects dropped around, not just because of the script bloating.
myuhinny Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 TES5edit when you start it and it goes through your list of mods that you have installed and starts loading them into it if it hits a error in your load order it will stop and tell you what is wrong in your load order then you can fix it in your mod manager by moving the one causing the problem to the correct area or install the mod if you are missing it. Then close TES5edit and start it again till it loads up completely and doesn't hit any errors.
aRuthSA Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I see you have sexlab installed, are you using the free flying camera option? Some people have trouble saving when that option is active.
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