Very long loading game

[mich145]

So my game starting from mod organizer takes 5-10 min i didnt count but its really long, i have alot of mods for voice, graphics, enb 332 plugins +150gb mods, main game is on ssd but folder with mods are on hdd, there is any mods or differents way to speed it ? 

 

 

And another question: anyway i'm planning to reset my skyrim, Im using now 1.5 97 version. And my question is should i stay on this version or its better to go for newest version

[ebbluminous]

Short answer: upgrade your shit.

 

Long answer: upgrade your shit. It's 2024 and you are still using HDD's for games? You need to fix that asap. Next thing is check your specs for everything else. See whats weak and upgrade it.

[yorpers]

So as someone that has modded skyrim on multiple drives (HDD, NVME 3.0, NVME 4.0, NVME 5.0) over the years. Taking more than 1 or 2 minutes to load is not something I've seen even on my old HDD with hundreds of mods. You are likely using multiple large "new lands" mods with loose files and lots of mods that add loose .fuz files. If you can, you should be looking for .BSA versions of those mods to reduce load time. Your voice mods are likely the biggest contributor to the loading times since they potentially contain thousands of tiny files. 

 

As far as using skyrim version 1.5.97 vs latest AE edition...

 

1.5.97 is the version compatible with .net script framework. This is by far still the best crash logger available, if you know how to read it. AE has some advantages such as UBE having functioning racemenu overlays, if you are into that sort of thing. Otherwise there is very little difference at the moment seeing as nearly all .dll's have been made usable for both.

[danna233]

What does the mods folder on another drive mean? Do you mean MO2? I tried to do this in my game, but it didn't work, the game was lagging a lot. I came to the conclusion that the mods folder should be on the drive where the game is. I deleted MO2 and returned to NMM, if there is no difference, then why complicate the modeling process for yourself.
The Skyrim Priority SE mod speeds up game loading, but they say it doesn't work with MO2. In my opinion, MO2 is highly overrated.

[JimUpdating]

if the mod list has lots of skse/papyrus/scripting, then load times will bloat even on an SSD.

 

at which point, stability to avoid CTD may become important. Using v1.6.1170, I'd have to use a calendar for the last time I had a CTD, and that's including running Mantella+koboldcpp locally.

[Grey Cloud]

16 hours ago, ebbluminous said:

Short answer: upgrade your shit.

 

Long answer: upgrade your shit. It's 2024 and you are still using HDD's for games? You need to fix that asap. Next thing is check your specs for everything else. See whats weak and upgrade it.

And what difference will that make to files being loaded from RAM? How much time do you save loading a 100kb file into RAM from an SSD as opposed to loading from HDD?

[ebbluminous]

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

And what difference will that make to files being loaded from RAM? How much time do you save loading a 100kb file into RAM from an SSD as opposed to loading from HDD?

Google the speed difference between SSD and HDD speeds. Even better, check out the speeds for NVMe m.2...

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, ebbluminous said:

Google the speed difference between SSD and HDD speeds. Even better, check out the speeds for NVMe m.2...

I'm aware of the speed difference but I'm asking how much difference that makes on a 100kb file and how moving files from SSD to RAM affects game loading or anything in game (at human noticeable speeds).

The OP's problem is unlikely to be down to his HDD unless it clapped out or otherwise faulty. Lots of people, myself included, have an HDD but do not suffer from such long load times. My system drive is an SSD but W10 still takes its own good time to get me to my desktop.

Also, there are SSD, NVMe, and NVMe m.2

[ebbluminous]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

I'm aware of the speed difference but I'm asking how much difference that makes on a 100kb file and how moving files from SSD to RAM affects game loading or anything in game (at human noticeable speeds).

The OP's problem is unlikely to be down to his HDD unless it clapped out or otherwise faulty. Lots of people, myself included, have an HDD but do not suffer from such long load times. My system drive is an SSD but W10 still takes its own good time to get me to my desktop.

Also, there are SSD, NVMe, and NVMe m.2

Where did you pull 100kb from? The OP mentioned over 150gb, not kb. Bit of a difference.

 

Also we do not know the rest of their specs. They could be running on a potato. You'd be surprised by the number of people using potatoes, expect cutting edge performance, get disappointed when they don't get cutting edge performance, but refuse to accept 'upgrade your potato' as the solution.

While we are on that, stop pestering me about the load time of 100kb, when 1: That's not the situation and 2: pester the op for their full specs to answer if they have a potato or not.

[Grey Cloud]

9 hours ago, ebbluminous said:

Where did you pull 100kb from? The OP mentioned over 150gb, not kb. Bit of a difference.

 

Also we do not know the rest of their specs. They could be running on a potato. You'd be surprised by the number of people using potatoes, expect cutting edge performance, get disappointed when they don't get cutting edge performance, but refuse to accept 'upgrade your potato' as the solution.

While we are on that, stop pestering me about the load time of 100kb, when 1: That's not the situation and 2: pester the op for their full specs to answer if they have a potato or not.

I was trying to make the point that moving a 1kb file with an SSD would not save any observable amount of time.

 

No we do not know the rest of their specs but it did not stop you from jumping in with an SSD as the solution to the problem.

 

Now you have gone from "buy an SSD" to upgrade the whole machine.

 

 

[ebbluminous]

Just now, Grey Cloud said:

I was trying to make the point that moving a 1kb file with an SSD would not save any observable amount of time.

 

No we do not know the rest of their specs but it did not stop you from jumping in with an SSD as the solution to the problem.

 

Now you have gone from "buy an SSD" to upgrade the whole machine.

 

 

Where did I say upgrade the whole machine? I said find out if it is a potato or not. That means find out what it can do, then decide what parts are substandard. I have seen people trying to run skyrim on machines older than Skyrim and then try to mod it to all the modern mods. The OP needs to confirm if this is the case or not.

 

Ooh, its 1kb now. Make up your mind. Anyways, You really want to know how long it takes to move 1kb on a HDD compared to a SSD? Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?! There will be Gb's of data to transfer here as the OP said they have a lot of graphics mods aka a lot of data to shift. So you should be asking how long does it take to transfer appropriate numbers, e.g. 1gb, 2gb, etc. At those sizes, yes there will be a noticeable difference in load times between HDD/SSD/NVMe. Manufacturers state the Mb (or Gb if a fast even product) speed on products, as people are interested in the time it takes ot move Mb/Gb's of data not Kb.

Of course, if you have a magic 1/100kb sized Skyrim install, why are you not sharding that magic shit with the rest of us?

[Tlam99]

up to 35x faster, HDD/MVMe. If the channels are available, older boards cannot use it, bottle neck channels.

Difference SSD to NVMe, SSD still use the old HDD routine for access.

 

100GB HDD ca. 1 and a half minute

NVMe ca. 4s, may be longer, depends if it's one piece or a folder with fuz files. Later takes much longer.

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Tlam99

[Grey Cloud]

37 minutes ago, ebbluminous said:

Where did I say upgrade the whole machine? I said find out if it is a potato or not. That means find out what it can do, then decide what parts are substandard. I have seen people trying to run skyrim on machines older than Skyrim and then try to mod it to all the modern mods. The OP needs to confirm if this is the case or not.

 

Ooh, its 1kb now. Make up your mind. Anyways, You really want to know how long it takes to move 1kb on a HDD compared to a SSD? Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?! There will be Gb's of data to transfer here as the OP said they have a lot of graphics mods aka a lot of data to shift. So you should be asking how long does it take to transfer appropriate numbers, e.g. 1gb, 2gb, etc. At those sizes, yes there will be a noticeable difference in load times between HDD/SSD/NVMe. Manufacturers state the Mb (or Gb if a fast even product) speed on products, as people are interested in the time it takes ot move Mb/Gb's of data not Kb.

Of course, if you have a magic 1/100kb sized Skyrim install, why are you not sharding that magic shit with the rest of us?

The 1kb was a typo.

I never mentioned a Skyrim install. My posts are about your magic bullet "buy an SSD" solution.

If the OP's HDD is not up to snuff and should be replaced by an SSD then by your logic if the entire machine is not up to snuff the entire machine should be upgraded.

[ebbluminous]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

The 1kb was a typo.

I never mentioned a Skyrim install. My posts are about your magic bullet "buy an SSD" solution.

If the OP's HDD is not up to snuff and should be replaced by an SSD then by your logic if the entire machine is not up to snuff the entire machine should be upgraded.

Recently a friend had the same issue - Load times for something (not Skyrim) were terribad and using a HDD. Convinced them to eat the 'magic bullet' of change to a better drive and lo and behold not terribad anymore.

So yeah, if it turns out the whole machine is not up to snuff, then yeah the logical thing to do is upgrade all of it. Funny how logic works... logically.

[eflat01]

On 12/21/2024 at 6:20 PM, ebbluminous said:

Short answer: upgrade your shit.

 

Long answer: upgrade your shit. It's 2024 and you are still using HDD's for games? You need to fix that asap. Next thing is check your specs for everything else. See whats weak and upgrade it.

 

That's kind of rude... The op has an ssd. 

 

btw... In my experience over the years a system should never rely on just ssd's, burned up a couple of them and when they go bad is next to no way to get any of the data back.  I burned out HHD mechanisms too over the decades but I always could get data back off them.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by eflat01

[yorpers]

Just for the sake of clarification for the OP. Imagine you are loading a file with 1kb data. Latency matters. Here is the difference between SSD and HDD.

 

The time it takes a standard HDD to do this is roughly 4.2 milliseconds because of latency based on a 7200rpm HDD. This is assuming it is a random I/O.

 

For SSD you're getting into microseconds or nanoseconds depending on the model for a random I/O. Still not in ddr4 Ram territory latency speed as far as I know.

 

So the time you save with an SSD would be roughly 4/1000 of a second per file if each one is from a different folder that is out of sequential order. So based only on the latency this is absolutely an observable speed up in the real world as you are constantly doing this while playing skyrim as it will speed up loading screens. Depending on your HDD cache this difference would lessen as it then can start to use sequential I/O more instead of Random. Even on a SSD sequential runs much faster than random. Booting the game is always going to be a mix of both. You want to limit the amount of random I/O's no matter what drive you have game files on. This is a bit more technical explanation of why .BSA's are nice for loading times. They reduce the amount of Random I/O's significantly.

 

This is also why this mod in particular can help with loading times. I forgot to recommend it on my first post. Maybe it will save 5 extra seconds for you.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18860

 

If you want more information on latency, random I/O and sequential I/O I suggest finding a blog or article about it. Perhaps I got a bit of information wrong or mixed up in this. I only really know the basics.

[eflat01]

On 12/21/2024 at 6:14 PM, mich145 said:

So my game starting from mod organizer takes 5-10 min i didnt count but its really long, i have alot of mods for voice, graphics, enb 332 plugins +150gb mods, main game is on ssd but folder with mods are on hdd, there is any mods or differents way to speed it ? 

 

 

And another question: anyway i'm planning to reset my skyrim, Im using now 1.5 97 version. And my question is should i stay on this version or its better to go for newest version

 

What SSD's do well is quick access, what they do not do well at is retain vitals. 

 

On the HDD it's not the size but the number of files it has to fetch more often slowing it down. Remember it spinning disk and moving heads around (step in/step out) to piece everything together...  One of the reasons devs use archive structs like a BA2 beside the smaller footprint it's quicker to fetch a 100 gigabyte file than a 100 1 gig files - even on a ssd that's true. A cpu can decompress quicker than any disk controller - even ones parsing a file struct through  static ram may fetch.  

 

I've two terabytes on two solid state I run from plus 18 terabytes on four drives with platters (they're also all partitioned)... hey, before you ask I'm a software engineer for near forty years who mainly works with huge enterprise system DB's.

 

I keep the stuff I run on SSD and the stuff I need on HDD (source code to deliver, install files, etc... you know important stuff). 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by eflat01

[pinky6225]

On 12/21/2024 at 11:14 PM, mich145 said:

So my game starting from mod organizer takes 5-10 min i didnt count but its really long, i have alot of mods for voice, graphics, enb 332 plugins +150gb mods, main game is on ssd but folder with mods are on hdd, there is any mods or differents way to speed it ? 

 

 

And another question: anyway i'm planning to reset my skyrim, Im using now 1.5 97 version. And my question is should i stay on this version or its better to go for newest version

 

You could try going through your mods and see which (if any) could be packed into a .BSA as that might speed up access times but you'd need to wary of overwrites since (as i recall) loose files win over files packed into a .BSA so you might have the MO version of a rule saying load mod A after mod B but if mod A is in a .BSA then that rule would probably no longer work