Sexlab rant

[poporaltemporal]

SL has several major issues for which reason I would like to put it in trash
1) It still comes with AP human animation set which has long been absurd. You cannot check that animation pack out and without another mod to remove the pack you can't get rid of it
2) SL tech is sadly very bad. Actors are aligned slowly and animation lookups take ages. There are many optimizations for this but there are then compability issues.
3) Some SL mods are really deep in monoman etc people posts and in worst case there are still today LE/SE/AE compability issues
4) I found OStim voice syncing and voice quality way superior to even SL mods.
5) Basically to run SL you need animation patches, script patches, additional behavior like (SLSO)

I honestly wonder how new players even manage to setup SL environment or why they would choose SL over OStim standalone. If Sexlab wants to survive this feud these points need to be addressed or the SL scene will die. SL still has lots of good content mods but day by day more mods convert to ostim.

Why SL is not updated and the AP animations taken out and those optimizations put inside SL? Why the community has to take this?

[traison]

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

It still comes with AP human animation set which has long been absurd. You cannot check that animation pack out and without another mod to remove the pack you can't get rid of it

 

Clear sslAnimationDefaults.LoadAnimations().

Clear sslCreatureAnimationDefaults.LoadCreatureAnimations().

 

Example:

function LoadAnimations()
	; No more default SL animations.
endFunction

 

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

SL tech is sadly very bad. Actors are aligned slowly and animation lookups take ages. There are many optimizations for this but there are then compability issues.

 

Get Papyrus Tweaks. Disable the things you don't need. Set iMaxOpsPerFrame to 1000. Learn what increasing that value does, and learn not to abuse it.

 

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

Some SL mods are really deep in monoman etc people posts and in worst case there are still today LE/SE/AE compability issues

 

The curse and blessing of what is essentially open source software and a community of unpaid enthusiasts. Things are made with love, not greed. I wouldn't have it any other way, despite its flaws.

 

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

I found OStim voice syncing and voice quality way superior to even SL mods.

 

In a democratic world you're free to switch to whichever idea or thing you think is better. Competition is good, as it usually gets complacent institutions off their asses.

 

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

Basically to run SL you need animation patches, script patches, additional behavior like (SLSO)

 

Whether modularity and customization is good is perhaps subjective. Great for hackers, bad for those that expect same functionality as you get from the common app stores today: plug-n-play, monetization, closed-source and no customization.

 

15 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

I honestly wonder how new players even manage to setup SL environment or why they would choose SL over OStim standalone.

 

It could be the new players see the things we do with SL, but they don't realize there's 10 years of work behind it. Perhaps the same reason why Nexus released their Collections thing. A simple way for a new player to get caught up. They just forgot about one tiny thing, and that is the soul of modding. This manifests itself in the Technical Support forum occasionally where we have new players with thousands of mods wanting to change some minor detail but having absolutely no idea how to do it. That's a greedy start failing them, when the love for modding wants to take over.

 

 

Just my 🪙🪙🪙 septims.

[Bluegunk]

It's a game. Sexlab is a gift to you from Ashal and others. Be grateful for it, because it was the inspiration for other sex frameworks and animations. And it still works fine.

[calvin_0]

19 hours ago, poporaltemporal said:

Why SL is not updated and the AP animations taken out and those optimizations put inside SL? Why the community has to take this?

 

the fact that sexlab is still the preferred option for sex framework says it all... if something is bad or inferior, people will avoid it... however if it's good people will automatically uses it.

 

go back to the pg13 ostim if you like it so much, we will continue with the superior sexlab here.

[poporaltemporal]

On 8/3/2024 at 11:52 AM, traison said:

The curse and blessing of what is essentially open source software and a community of unpaid enthusiasts. Things are made with love, not greed. I wouldn't have it any other way, despite its flaws.

 

If you think that the site upkeeper who actually did SL doesnt get a penny from this thing then you are really stupid person and I critisize SL not the community who fix the problems of the so called "open source software".

 

On 8/3/2024 at 11:52 AM, traison said:

It could be the new players see the things we do with SL, but they don't realize there's 10 years of work behind it. Perhaps the same reason why Nexus released their Collections thing. A simple way for a new player to get caught up. They just forgot about one tiny thing, and that is the soul of modding. This manifests itself in the Technical Support forum occasionally where we have new players with thousands of mods wanting to change some minor detail but having absolutely no idea how to do it. That's a greedy start failing them, when the love for modding wants to take over.

Its easy to make OStim patch for mod. There are plenty of them. If you keep your upright attitude you will lose the whole game.

[poporaltemporal]

On 8/3/2024 at 2:33 PM, Bluegunk said:

It's a game. Sexlab is a gift to you from Ashal and others. Be grateful for it, because it was the inspiration for other sex frameworks and animations. And it still works fine.

Again silly opinion about SL being free and content of it being completely free. You download everything from site that is heavily bumped in advertisement.

[poporaltemporal]

On 8/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, calvin_0 said:

 

the fact that sexlab is still the preferred option for sex framework says it all... if something is bad or inferior, people will avoid it... however if it's good people will automatically uses it.

 

If you understand that there has already been several replacement engines coming and you have seen the conversions already to new engine then you do not realize what you actually claim. You also seem not to understand that some performance things that are completely must are not in SL.

 

On 8/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, calvin_0 said:

go back to the pg13 ostim if you like it so much, we will continue with the superior sexlab here.

Interesting and completely vague point.

[Bluegunk]

19 minutes ago, poporaltemporal said:

Again silly opinion about SL being free and content of it being completely free. You download everything from site that is heavily bumped in advertisement.

 

OK, I feel you're here to be negative about it. Fair enough, that's your call. I'll drop out of this conversation. Sorry I said anything.

Edited August 4, 2024 by Bluegunk

[johnhamm]

Main reason I use SL over anything else is because hundreds of mods use it and those mods aren't going to get updates because the author has moved on. If you just want a simple sex simulator when you ask an NPC or on defeat, then you have options. If you want access to the huge numbers of other mods that add sexual content more indirectly, you've pretty much got no choice. I just hope p+ can perfect the backwards compatibility so I can move to that

[DarkBlade13]

On 8/4/2024 at 5:17 PM, poporaltemporal said:

Again silly opinion about SL being free and content of it being completely free. You download everything from site that is heavily bumped in advertisement.

Are you aware that more trafick means more costs for the person who keeps the site up and running? Every time you come on this website you cost the owner money. Those adds is you paying for you costs.

[poporaltemporal]

3 hours ago, DarkBlade13 said:

Are you aware that more trafick means more costs for the person who keeps the site up and running? Every time you come on this website you cost the owner money. Those adds is you paying for you costs.

And with advertisement more traffick means more money..

[poporaltemporal]

On 8/6/2024 at 10:31 AM, johnhamm said:

Main reason I use SL over anything else is because hundreds of mods use it and those mods aren't going to get updates because the author has moved on. If you just want a simple sex simulator when you ask an NPC or on defeat, then you have options. If you want access to the huge numbers of other mods that add sexual content more indirectly, you've pretty much got no choice. I just hope p+ can perfect the backwards compatibility so I can move to that

I think you do not get my point. I rant because I critisize that SL does not develop even enough to fix the alignment and slow animation lookup time. Now we have like 10 patches which are not compatible with each other and the the SL p+.  Sadly the SL p+ has other issues and when I tried it I had to fallback to SL + SLU p+.

This criticism is completely required because SL gets competing animation frameworks that will eventually its it market if SL does not fix itself.

[DarkBlade13]

1 hour ago, poporaltemporal said:

And with advertisement more traffick means more money..

Either the website turns profit or the website turns loss. After providing the services of this website and giving you the framework for free, do you honestly expect Ashal to pay for you?

Edited August 11, 2024 by DarkBlade13

[DarkBlade13]

1 hour ago, poporaltemporal said:

I think you do not get my point. I rant because I critisize that SL does not develop even enough to fix the alignment and slow animation lookup time. Now we have like 10 patches which are not compatible with each other and the the SL p+.  Sadly the SL p+ has other issues and when I tried it I had to fallback to SL + SLU p+.

This criticism is completely required because SL gets competing animation frameworks that will eventually its it market if SL does not fix itself.

Luckily you don't have to worry about that anymore. Skyrim is now 13 years old and it's clear that game is starting to show it's age. I am afraid that the player base for the game is starting to fade. Your comments here won't change that.

[poporaltemporal]

23 hours ago, DarkBlade13 said:

Either the website turns profit or the website turns loss. After providing the services of this website and giving you the framework for free, do you honestly expect Ashal to pay for you?

You completely ignore everything else I have said and what say in the main post. If ashal gets money from the site and from our use. That means Ashal should keep SL up to date and keep it in best possible condition. Now SL needs tons of patch files and there are dozens of problems and you need even base mods like animation loader to even use it.

Skyrim is old but it keeps getting facelifts constantly. Expect few things like SL.

[Just Don't]

Rant all you want. But that's not how websites, ad revenue and mods work at all. Did you pay for something? Did you sign up an agreement where your participation in the site grants you access and support for a specific product? No, thus you're entitled to nothing.