Will the new Expansion 'Lovestruck' break WW?

[jensonjests]

Looks like the new expansion pack from Maxis has a lot of similar features to WW with the attraction system etc. Do you think it will break WW, or be able to work alongside it? Will WW need some redesigns of the attraction feature to work with it?

 

Side note, also looks like it will overlap with the SimDa dating app too. 

[FauxFurry]

It is very likely that Wicked Whims will need to be adjusted to account for having some of its features integrated into the base game. 

If it is any consolation, while undertaking this task, TurboDriver can take some sense of pride at having influenced the developers so profoundly that they are essentially building an entire expansion around Wonderful Whims.

[SticksStackStuck]

On 6/14/2024 at 10:55 PM, FauxFurry said:

It is very likely that Wicked Whims will need to be adjusted to account for having some of its features integrated into the base game. 

If it is any consolation, while undertaking this task, TurboDriver can take some sense of pride at having influenced the developers so profoundly that they are essentially building an entire expansion around Wonderful Whims.

 

Tuerbodriver is an amazing creator, and appears to know the games code better than the developers themselves. I have no doubt WW will need patching after the pack, I also have no doubt Turbodriver will have a field day with utilizing the new code that comes to the base-game. Now that personality is likely to influence romantic attraction, my guess is he'll tweak the WW attraction system to aim more towards physical attraction, a field that the Devs don't seem to dear to come near. The new pack looks to be all (Platonic) romance, not sex.

[jensonjests]

On 6/16/2024 at 2:31 AM, SticksStackStuck said:

 

Tuerbodriver is an amazing creator, and appears to know the games code better than the developers themselves. I have no doubt WW will need patching after the pack, I also have no doubt Turbodriver will have a field day with utilizing the new code that comes to the base-game. Now that personality is likely to influence romantic attraction, my guess is he'll tweak the WW attraction system to aim more towards physical attraction, a field that the Devs don't seem to dear to come near. The new pack looks to be all (Platonic) romance, not sex.

 

I would agree. I think he will need to lean into the more physical side to sit alongside what ever Maxis has planned. I'd like to see more 'bedroom preferences' too. Such as 'likes to be on top' or 'prefers public' or 'enjoys passionate'. That kind of approach for traits and attraction. So Bella could be a 'casual romantic' who 'prefers passionate sex' and likes 'tall men'. I think that kind of system could sit alongside Maxis attraction system. 

 

But yes, Maxis has taken 'inspiration' from the success of the mod it would never admit in public. So I hope Turbodriver will take this opportunity to really enhance the mod, to up one on Maxis yet again. I don't think that the mod down time will be long as the update so obviously conflicts with a core WW system. So I'll be playing offline for a while. 

[SticksStackStuck]

Pixelade just released a video discussing some ideas for how Wicked Whims could integrate the new pack: 

 

[BigAssClapper]

I just finished fixing my mods folder...

[john0sim]

I think the biggest worry for me is whether the attraction system is part of the expansion or the base game update that accompanies it. 

1. If it's base game then Turbo should have no problem and could potentially even just hook into and expand the new system with the current WW content.
2. If it's part of the expansion however then there's going to be a potential problem, because unless WW becomes dependant on the expansion they'll be two versions of the game that handle what WW needs to deal with differently.

[SticksStackStuck]

4 hours ago, john0sim said:

If it's part of the expansion however then there's going to be a potential problem, because unless WW becomes dependant on the expansion they'll be two versions of the game that handle what WW needs to deal with differently.

 

I guess it's a way to display or not display options based o what packs are installed? My suggestion for Turbodriver (not that I think he actually needs my advice) would be to change WW more towards sexual attraction, perhaps even retire the archetype system if the new system is better. There is already an in-game system where you can like or dislike sims with certain personality traits.

 

I think it will be a week or two of twiddling and fiddling with the mod when the pack comes out, but I'm not afraid it will require a full overhaul of WW.

An interesting aspect is the "Grown Up Costume Box". Since it's tied to pack, I don't think Turbodriver is going to do anything with it, but perhaps this is where @wildguy might revisit his underwear mod?

Edited June 21, 2024 by SticksStackStuck

[john0sim]

1 hour ago, SticksStackStuck said:

There is already an in-game system where you can like or dislike sims with certain personality traits.

I'm pretty sure that the likes and dislikes where added to the base game, but the personality traits part requires growing together itself. If that's the case, then replacing the archetypes system with an expansion on that system, could lock people who don't own the pack out of the feature entirely.

My bigger concern was with the turn on's mentioned in the leak which included "Characteristics". Which if that means things like appearance then it would be doing a similar thing to the attractiveness options.
If it's part of the expansion, you then have two different systems deciding who a sim finds attractive, or the WW version is removed and everyone who doesn't have the pack loses out on the feature. It's also entirely possible that the current implementation is better than the packs and WW just disables the packs version of that aspect.

[hellopersei]

I can confirm likes and dislikes are base game. That said, I have no intention to buy more EPs as EAxis greed really gets on my nerves, and the actual gameplay available never lives up to the hype (OR the price tag) and I am sure I am not alone. For example, I had no idea about the personality traits thing as I don't have growing together.

 

My hope is really that these systems can work in concert OR that characteristics/attraction are a base game patch as it would be a shame if people were locked out of something previously available in WW without EPs.

[Fun Shaundi]

It's kinda frustrating how the Sims devs always do this: A mod becomes so popular that they notice and they find a way to integrate it to a new pack, charging a good amount for it.

It's cool for people who play vanilla and will get this with the pack, but us mod users....man, I have many packs and expansions, but I wasn't planning to get this one. I hope turbodriver doesn't remove anything from people like us who don't wanna get it.

[SticksStackStuck]

I must admit I really like what this pack shapes up to be. Trailers always are a bit misleading, but this is decidedly raunchy! The vibrating heart bed has come to our little game. I am fairly certain modders are going to have a blast with the dress-up chest and singles bar!

[MrGrey]

I'm not buying this Lovestruck DLC until I know WW can use it. Simple as.

Of course there will be an update. It's like total nuclear annihilation: don't leave the shelter and crawl out through the fallout until the all clear signal is given by Turbo.

[SticksStackStuck]

On 7/3/2024 at 10:43 PM, MrGrey said:

It's like total nuclear annihilation: don't leave the shelter and crawl out through the fallout until the all clear signal is given by Turbo.

 

Quite. My guess it'll be quite a few patches to WW Turbodriver finds hos to best exploit the new systems.

[SticksStackStuck]

The live-stream was enlightening. My guess is the likes/dislikes for WW now will move to the new attraction category.

Ideally, we would have a system where traits your sim appreciate generally and traits sims look for in sexual partners would be separate. I am excited to see how the basgame update will handle this.

[porkybork]

The Sims team really made another expansion pack full of stuff that should've already been in the base game. 😑

[SticksStackStuck]

Surprisingly, it seems WW works just fine with the July 23rd patch! I haven't tried any of the functionality, but the game functions fine with the mod installed!

[ioawdfv]

3 hours ago, SticksStackStuck said:

Surprisingly, it seems WW works just fine with the July 23rd patch! I haven't tried any of the functionality, but the game functions fine with the mod installed!

Really?

I see this in the Scarlet's Realm.

 

Edited July 24, 2024 by ioawdfv

[SticksStackStuck]

4 hours ago, ioawdfv said:

Really?

I see this in the Scarlet's Realm.

 

 

 

I checked this in Scarlets Realm now, and found nothing. I just tried having my sims bang with Wicked Whims, and they did so with no problems. The animation ran perfectly fine I actually have a good deal of mods and expected some of them to be break the game, but it works just fine. In fact, it runs smoother now than before the patch.

Edited July 24, 2024 by SticksStackStuck

[MrGrey]

The latest patch for lovestruck has some interesting features some are welcome some are wtf.

But according to my last exception log, WW is broken. Removing WW and not more last exceptions. yes, I have the latest version of WW.

Thus the question "Will lovestruck break ww?" the answer is "it already has.

[SticksStackStuck]

5 hours ago, MrGrey said:

But according to my last exception log, WW is broken. Removing WW and not more last exceptions. yes, I have the latest version of WW.

Thus the question "Will lovestruck break ww?" the answer is "it already has.

 

It seems we have very different experiences. Could it be that you have mods that work through WW acting up?

[MrGrey]

It must be me. WW is holy and above suspect.

[SticksStackStuck]

2 hours ago, MrGrey said:

It must be me. WW is holy and above suspect.

 

All hail Saint Turbodriver!

 

If your game is acting up, it is something going on. Have you tried running the game without mods? Have you tried just WW?

Edited July 25, 2024 by SticksStackStuck

[netbeing]

It broke my WW, had reinstalled my OS on a new machine forgot to turn off autoupdates in the EA app and now I have been forced to uninstall Turbodrivers WW. Hope Turbodriver releases a new WW patch soon?

[MrGrey]

4 hours ago, netbeing said:

It broke my WW, had reinstalled my OS on a new machine forgot to turn off autoupdates in the EA app and now I have been forced to uninstall Turbodrivers WW. Hope Turbodriver releases a new WW patch soon?

I think it works but creates "Last Exceptions" and WW is mentioned several times.

The bugs in the game without any mods are:

1) cannot read spell/potion books in realm of magic. So, no Nudio or Promiscuoso spells

2) Teens and Children are bugged. If they max out, +/- on any child trait, the UI goes funky and you cannot save the game. This has nothing to do with any mod. The effect on wicked whims is that your sims need to procreate outside your household in one that is not played, and use safe sex inside your household. - Do not play children or teens.

Those are the two that I can recall now. There are other bugs like teaching toddlers how to walk (bug: you can't) that have no effect on WW.

And Nissa Perversions is just... no. I got a Last exception that said Basemental hates me. All I used it for was house slaves. Wish there was a mod with just house slaves without the pink fun bar replacement, cuz servicing all the slaves every other day takes too much time.

lastException.txt

Edited July 25, 2024 by MrGrey