Triggerwoman

[Heinzelman]

I enjoyed the second version of slavers, especially the true ending. Was very satisfying and i wish i had the skills to make something like that. I am still depending on a lot of tutorials and stuff. But lets focus on the topic of this thread here

 

Thanks for the reading recommendation, I never read something from Raymond Chandler yet, will look into that. I was watching a lot of movies like Lansky and of course godfather and scarface in the process. But i got the most helpful hints from a 6 hour docu/drama miniseries about the Chicago Outfit (The Making of the Mob: Chicago), which has a huge portion about Johnny Torrio (on which Shelton is loosely based on) and of course Al Capone and his successors.  

Edited April 24, 2024 by Heinz01

[cat013]

On 4/23/2024 at 2:17 PM, riveth said:

- the beginning of the mod is ok. However, it seems a bit unrealistic to me. It's a bit like walking consciously into the mouth of a lion.

 

By the Wastelands standards gangs and escort agencies are rather respectable employers. It's not like you have many options with you law degree. Of course this move tells volumes about Nora's personality (did she specialize in RICO defense by any chance?), but that is how femmes fatales are born.

 

On 4/23/2024 at 2:17 PM, riveth said:

- The gangsters are too bland in my opinion. At the end of the day, they really don't differ much from the violent raiders, the outfit and better manners are just superficiality and the player should be able to feel that.

 

Ummmm... Yes and no. Triggermen are dangerous predators, and the mod is not currently doing very good job demonstrating it. However, they are fundamentally different from raiders (who are also dangerous predators).

 

Even NW gangs, by far the most advanced raiders out there, are medieval warlords at best. Triggermen are modernity gangsters with complex internal politics, code of conduct (usually comes with complex internal politics) and a big picture vision. If you remember Black Sails (a show from a decade ago), Flint and his people were triggermen, the regular pirates were raiders.

 

The story implication here is that we are not dealing with outright psychotic evil (like JB's mods do), but instead we get to operate in moral grey areas, more or less like New Vegas: all options are workable but none is good.

 

On 4/23/2024 at 2:17 PM, riveth said:

the PC is simply receiving too much for the work of a courier

 

True. But forced sex might not be a good solution (also, over-represented on LL). Remember that Nora potentially ends up as Shelton's gun moll. Gangster boss falling in love with a hooker is not an impossible scenario, contrary to what some people would claim in the original discussion thread, but these things happen for a reason. And we do not see any at the moment.

 

On 4/23/2024 at 2:17 PM, riveth said:

The other, casual, maybe as a gunsmith or staff for a drug factory. 

 

These are career dead ends (not to mention the skill requirements), but you are on to something here. There is at least one plot twist that would believably put a random prewar lawyer right next to the gang's top brass. I'll PM details to the author. If he likes it, this shall be a little surprise. If he doesn't then I'll post it separately for the curious readers.

Edited April 24, 2024 by cat013

[cat013]

3 hours ago, Heinz01 said:

I never read something from Raymond Chandler yet, will look into that

 

You might want to look at Mickey Spillane as well. "Vengeance is mine" features a female detective as second lead, pretty unorthodox for that era.

Edited April 24, 2024 by cat013

[riveth]

46 minutes ago, cat013 said:

By the Wastelands standards gangs and escort agencies are rather respectable employers. It's not like you have many options with you law degree. Of course this move tells volumes about Nora's personality (did she specialize in RICO defense by any chance?), but that is how femmes fatales are born.

Can't remember it right now, because I played this mod a while ago, but something was amis at the begining. Maybe it was lack of clear motivation to join. If we want to stick with original plot and Nora character, there could be an suggestion in dead womand diary about guy with an infant.
Like the possible way to find Shaun would be to joind dark underworld of crime

I can image it's not an easy decission for prewar woman, to turn to prostitution few hours after her husband was shot and son kidnaped
 

Anyway I'm not a fan of fo4 original story and prefer to play character unrelated with main plot.

 

 

57 minutes ago, cat013 said:

Ummmm... Yes and no. Triggermen are dangerous predators, and the mod is not currently doing very good job demonstrating it. However, they are fundamentally different from raiders (who are also dangerous predators).

 

Even NW gangs, by far the most advanced raiders out there, are medieval warlords at best. Triggermen are modernity gangsters with complex internal politics, code of conduct (usually comes with complex internal politics) and a big picture vision. If you remember Black Sails (a show from a decade ago), Flint and his people were triggermen, the regular pirates were raiders.

 

The story implication here is that we are not dealing with outright psychotic evil (like JB's mods do), but instead we get to operate in moral grey areas, more or less like New Vegas: all options are workable but none is good.

yes, but what I ment was that they are "cyvilized" on the outside. A mask of splendor and higher moral codes.
Underneath they are stone cold killers. Ruthless, greedy pack of predators, ready to abuse enyone and turn on each other when oportunity arise.
It would be nice if we can disconer it layer afer layer, until we know their real faces.

 

1 hour ago, cat013 said:

True. But forced sex might not be a good solution (also, over-represented on LL). Remember that Nora potentially ends up as Shelton's gun moll. Gangster boss falling in love with a hooker is not an impossible scenario, contrary to what some people would claim in the original discussion thread, but these things happen for a reason. And we do not see any at the moment.

Yes, I dont like oversexualized mods like troubles of survivor. Sex in games should be an option, a dessert not main dish.
My point was rather that player could chose between two paths af career that would lead to Shelton romance plot.
Frank would only be as a spice here.

I would also add a twist to that story. Shelton as a rescuer, over time turns out to be meanest of them all.
Right now he appears to me as a good man with golden hearth. He's the gang boss for Christ sake.

 

1 hour ago, cat013 said:

These are career dead ends (not to mention the skill requirements), but you are up to something here. There is at least one plot twist that would believably put a random prewar lawyer right next to the gang's top brass. I'll PM details to the author. If he likes it, this shall be a little surprise. If he doesn't then I'll post it separately for the curious readers.

Rather prostitution alternative until we get higher in herarhy.  A way to aquire perks early. 

I see You prefer to stick with main plot of fo4. Can't say its not interesting. Shame I really hate that story

 

[cat013]

26 minutes ago, riveth said:

I see You prefer to stick with main plot of fo4. Can't say its not interesting. Shame I really hate that story

 

 I'm not a huge fan of it either but it has massive advantage of being already there. Less work to just roll with it.

[E_Nigma]

Was worried such unique mods were lost. Glad to see you're still at it

[sergafon]

Good day! Please, tell me you close to mod update!!! Please! Please! Please!

[Heinzelman]

9 hours ago, sergafon said:

Good day! Please, tell me you close to mod update!!! Please! Please! Please!

 

No, a release is still a long way off and i have no idea how long it will take. There is very much to do.

Edited May 17, 2024 by Heinz01

[Heinzelman]

I originally intended to not post any infos before the new version is ready. But as mentioned before there is still a lot to do. So I decided to give you a small info update about Little Pawn 2.0.

 

I have more or less removed all flaws the current version had, as far as i am aware of. The mod has become more compatible, with Depravity for example (I already tested the latter until the end). I also removed my placed NPCs from the vanilla Cells and move them there instead when they are needed.

 

The old Quests have been restructured, but this is more like a "under the hood" change (like using JBs brilliant method to start at stage 100).

 

Overall the old quests play like the same, the only major changes to them is the first interview with hancock which is completely rewritten, because the original one wasnt good. I also made the Tunnel Part of "The Tunnel" a bit more interesting and gave my cells a proper navmesh and lights and stuff. That was a lot of work, but i think its worth it. 

 

The next version will hopefully feel a lot more natural with stuff happening between the quests. There will also be more sidequests, small scenes and a new main quest (because one of the original goodneighbor quests was missing). Oh and if you remember, Hancock had something in mind with the Warehouses. This will also be part. 

 

The bad news: The "under the hood changes" make it necessary to start a new save or at least a save, which never saw the current version. This is unavoidable and i cant solve this with a simple updatefunction. Please forgive me

 

I have no idea how long it will take. I think at least two more month. I will be happier if i get it done earlier, but i wont rush. I want to make sure, that everything is as well done as i am able to.

 

I have just a few screenshots, which dont give away to much (and they dont necessary show finalised stuff):

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[sergafon]

Thank You for information! I will wait this update so much!!!

[Heinzelman]

Just a small update on my current progress on LittlePawn. I am currently working on the last quest. Then i have to connect everything, fill some gaps and stuff. And then testing. A lot of time was spent to improve the existing stuff and possibly adding more bugs. Overall the dialogue has currently been almost tripled. 

 

Thanks to JB., Kziitd and lee3310 i now have AAF xmls to make some AAF scenes more suited to what i want to show. Also thanks to ChatGPT i could save a ton of time to do some scripts etc.

 

There will be a Beta in this thread, because of some optional stuff that would take more time to test for one person. In hopefully just a few weeks. All depends. A few spoilerfree screens (excuse the skimpy outfits, i will of course behave and make better clothed screens next time)

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by Heinz01

[JB.]

What I love is that I can play it without interrupting my normal game. Someday I will learn to let the player do what the player wants to do.  😅

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2024 by JB.

[Heinzelman]

5 hours ago, JB. said:

What I love is that I can play it without interrupting my normal game. Someday I will learn to let the player do what the player wants to do.  😅

 

 

 

 

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Thanks! Funnily enough, I'm having to learn the exact opposite right now, because i wont get away again with an objective like "Please stand still for a few seconds"

Fortunately i know a good mod which shows me how.

[Vulkandrache]

I am stuck at the introductory quest in the mafia HQ.

The Trader Finn is not present which makes Yasmine repeat introducing us over and over

without the Quest updating. I assume that the conversation is supposed to move to Finn,

which cant happen with him being absent.

I did not notice the imcompatibility with Depravity. But i also havent done anything else with those NPCS yet.

Any idea for a solution?

[Heinzelman]

1 hour ago, Vulkandrache said:

I am stuck at the introductory quest in the mafia HQ.

The Trader Finn is not present which makes Yasmine repeat introducing us over and over

without the Quest updating. I assume that the conversation is supposed to move to Finn,

which cant happen with him being absent.

I did not notice the imcompatibility with Depravity. But i also havent done anything else with those NPCS yet.

Any idea for a solution?

 

There may be two reasons for Finn's absence: Either he's off work or he's for some reason not loaded.

He works between 8am and 11:59pm (or 08:00 and 23:59). So if the game time is somewhere between 0 and 8 o'clock, then he is sleeping. Solution: Wait until 8 o'clock in the morning. Then he returns to his store. 

 

If Finnegan is not loaded, then this is a bigger problem. You can check this with Sqv TRW_C1_Intro. Several "aliases" are listed in the console. If the entry for Finnegan shows "NONE", then he is not loaded. You could "fix" it with a setstage, but then a quest giver for random quests would be missing. 

 

So if he is only sleeping, everything is fine, if not, I can only offer you the choice between 
Setstage TRW_C1_Intro 310 and then one less randomquestgiver (not good)
or
Return to a savegame before you have read Linda's holotape (after reading it, check once via Sqv TRW_C1_Intro whether Everything is loaded properly.

 

 

I really hope he is just sleeping

 

 

The note about Depravity is relevant for LittlePawn V.63. Triggerwoman is fine with Depravity.

Edited July 7, 2024 by Heinz01

[Vulkandrache]

I assume he is supposed to be standing next to the toilet door behind the counter.

The console shows a number for every entry.

I slept to 9AM and went down to Yasmine.

Finn is still not there.

Had to leave the building for him to show up.

[Heinzelman]

1 minute ago, Vulkandrache said:

I assume he is supposed to be standing next to the toilet door behind the counter.

The console shows a number for every entry.

I slept to 9AM and went down to Yasmine.

Finn is still not there.

Had to leave the building for him to show up.

Yeah, my bad. I will make him work 24/7 next time  This is an oversight. I am glad he showed up for you in the end.

[Neveryoumind334]

I get the "attachment is not available" message when I try to download your mod. (Grabbed Triggerwoman a few days ago, but forgot to get Little Pawn.) Is there a reason for that or is there something going wonky on my end?

[Vulkandrache]

I am at the Brewery quest now tasked with retrieving the first password from the federal stockpile.

Problem is ive already cleared that place out before, i even an item in my Inventory called

"Federal ration stockpile password".

I was confused as to why the game did not recognize this until i went back there and noticed

that there is a second passcode item in the desk. Is that always there or does that only spawn after accepting the quest?

[Heinzelman]

8 hours ago, Neveryoumind334 said:

I get the "attachment is not available" message when I try to download your mod. (Grabbed Triggerwoman a few days ago, but forgot to get Little Pawn.) Is there a reason for that or is there something going wonky on my end?

 

I just tried and the download works for me. Try to reload the page and make sure you are logged in.

 

5 hours ago, Vulkandrache said:

I am at the Brewery quest now tasked with retrieving the first password from the federal stockpile.

Problem is ive already cleared that place out before, i even an item in my Inventory called

"Federal ration stockpile password".

I was confused as to why the game did not recognize this until i went back there and noticed

that there is a second passcode item in the desk. Is that always there or does that only spawn after accepting the quest?

 

I put it there. I wanted to avoid touching vanilla stuff too much and causing unforeseen problems, so i made a copy of that password which can be handed over to tower tom without removing the vanilla one.

[Neveryoumind334]

16 hours ago, Heinz01 said:

 

I just tried and the download works for me. Try to reload the page and make sure you are logged in.

 

 

I put it there. I wanted to avoid touching vanilla stuff too much and causing unforeseen problems, so i made a copy of that password which can be handed over to tower tom without removing the vanilla one.

 

Kept getting the message until I restarted my computer. So who knows what that was about. Thanks for taking the time to respond. 

 

I enjoyed Triggerwoman so now I'm really looking forward to Little Pawn. Keep up the good work, man.

[Vulkandrache]

Potential next issue.

Fetchquest Finn, Concorde, up on the roof, parts chest.

The marker points to an empty spot on the roof.

There are no other items in the area and nothing behind the wall or roof to be interacted with.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Vulkandrache

[Heinzelman]

6 hours ago, Vulkandrache said:

Potential next issue.

Fetchquest Finn, Concorde, up on the roof, parts chest.

The marker points to an empty spot on the roof.

There are no other items in the area and nothing behind the wall or roof to be interacted with.

This quest randomly chooses containers in the game. If its unreachable or just not there you can use the (TRW) Helpmenu (craftable at a chem station in the "utility" section). It has a fix for this case (it will reset the quest and choose another container).

[Heinzelman]

Hello there.

 

Just a small update on the current progress on Little Pawn. All in all everything is done. I am now testing, improving and correcting stuff. I dont dare to give an ETA, but hopefully, as long as nothing breaking happens sooner than later.

Edited July 12, 2024 by Heinz01

[cosworth]

9 hours ago, Heinz01 said:

Hello there.

 

Just a small update on the current progress on Little Pawn. All in all everything is done. I am now testing, improving and correcting stuff. I dont dare to give an ETA, but hopefully, as long as nothing breaking happens sooner than later.

Sounds good, fingers crossed then and thx a million for your efforts!