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Hi guys, first post here. 

My issue:
When i start a new game, i have no problems at all, i can play for as long as i like, i get no errors. Nothing.

BUT when I try to load that save again, it CTD's as soon as it enters loading screen.

 

I've been able to identify the plugin/mod causing this issue.

 

It's "Bravil Underground v0.96 Final Edition" and/or: "BravilUnderground Add-on v1.4"

 

I'm pretty confident in my load order for the most part, but im just not sure about those two, also. I'm not quite sure if I installed it correctly. I'm using Wrye Bash only for all of my addons (Except the omod's). Everything else, as stated functions as it should.

 

Any help is much appriciated! As i've been struggeling with this issue for a few hours now :)

 

My save is displayed as purple in Wrye Bash and "seems" to be in order there.

Load order:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Lovers with PK.esm
04  TamagoClub.esm
05  HiyokoClub.esm
06  LoversCreature.esm
07  Chanpon.esm
08  DLCHorseArmor.esp
09  DLCOrrery.esp
0A  DLCFrostcrag.esp
0B  DLCThievesDen.esp
0C  DLCVileLair.esp
0D  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0E  DLCSpellTomes.esp
0F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
10  Knights.esp
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  TamagoPlayerHUD.esp  [Version 2.0]
13  TamagoBreak.esp
14  LoversTamagoClub.esp
15  LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
16  LoversEncounter.esp
17  HiyokoGenerator.esp
18  HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
19  TamagoSetBody.esp
1A  LoversAphrodisia.esp
1B  LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
1C  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
1D  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
1E  LoversRaperSGalgat.esp
1F  LoversJoburg.esp
20  LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
21  LoversBed.esp
22  LoversPower.esp
23  666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp
24  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v4a]
25  LoversBitch.esp
26  LoversCreature.esp
27  Lovers with PK Extender.esp  [Version 2.4.3]
28  LoversSoundCreature.esp  [Version 0.1.0]
29  LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp
2A  LoversUnicorn.esp
2B  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
2C  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
2D  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
2E  PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.69.esp
2F  SetBody.esp
30  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
31  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
32  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp
33  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
34  LoversMB2.esp
35  Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
36  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
37  Lovers3dorgasm.esp
38  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
39  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: LoversHooker.esp
3A  LoversBiko.esp
3B  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
3C  CoverYourself.esp
3D  zzEstrus.esp
3E  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
3F  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
40  FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
41  LoversImmoralGuards.esp
42  LSTaddonInH.esp
43  x117race.esp
44  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
45  Lop-ears Elf.esp
46  Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
47  Slof's Horses Base.esp
48  Slof's Extra Horses.esp
49  Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
4A  P1DlookHereYou.esp
4B  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.4.1]

 
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Run BOSS, then sort the Mods BOSS did not sort manually (clothes Mods to sorted clothes Mods, Quest Mods to sorted quest Mods, .....) OK you have nearly only Lovers Mods, so you can ignore BOSS. But sort your DLCs ! The DLC load order is

DLCShiveringIsles.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp

 

Then sort your Lovers Mods example load order here in the Spoiler http://www.loverslab.com/topic/11515-please-read-before-posting-here/

 

Why do you ignore "----> Delinquent MASTER:" ???? The master file is missing ! Master file must be above that esp in load order.

LoversHooker.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

 

You are missing a lot of MBP Mods you need for BravilUnderground. (see the example load order)

MBP http://www.loverslab.com/topic/2590-mbp-allin1-omod-v21beta/?hl=mbp

 

Or use the BravilUnderground no MBP Version. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19842-no-mbp-bravil-underground-v096-final-edition/

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Check this http://www.loverslab.com/topic/4487-please-read-before-posting-here/

 

Your load order is terribly wrong. For starters LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp, Lovers3dorgasm.esp and LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp MUST be at the bottom of your load order.

It's funny you say that, because i've been following that for two days now, trying to get my load order right. Hmm... I'll see if it helps though, thanks

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Run BOSS, then sort the Mods BOSS did not sort manually (clothes Mods to sorted clothes Mods, Quest Mods to sorted quest Mods, .....) OK you have nearly only Lovers Mods, so you can ignore BOSS. But sort your DLCs ! The DLC load order is

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

 

Then sort your Lovers Mods example load order here in the Spoiler http://www.loverslab.com/topic/11515-please-read-before-posting-here/

 

Why do you ignore "----> Delinquent MASTER:" ???? The master file is missing ! Master file must be above that esp in load order.

LoversHooker.esp

LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp

 

You are missing a lot of MBP Mods you need for BravilUnderground. (see the example load order)

MBP http://www.loverslab.com/topic/2590-mbp-allin1-omod-v21beta/?hl=mbp

 

Or use the BravilUnderground no MBP Version. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19842-no-mbp-bravil-underground-v096-final-edition/

I was kinda looking at that, but i though the hooker patch was some sort of pre patch. I dunno but thanks :)

 

EDIT:

 

The MBP mods are all installed with that download already as an omod. But it's odd that the esp's are missing then.

 

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Now it looks a little something like this:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  x117race.esm
03  Lovers with PK.esm
04  TamagoClub.esm
05  HiyokoClub.esm
06  LoversCreature.esm
07  Chanpon.esm
08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
09  DLCHorseArmor.esp
0A  DLCOrrery.esp
0B  DLCVileLair.esp
0C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0D  DLCSpellTomes.esp
0E  DLCThievesDen.esp
0F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
10  DLCFrostcrag.esp
11  Knights.esp
12  TamagoPlayerHUD.esp  [Version 2.0]
13  TamagoBreak.esp
14  LoversTamagoClub.esp
15  LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
16  LoversEncounter.esp
17  HiyokoGenerator.esp
18  HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
19  TamagoSetBody.esp
1A  LoversAphrodisia.esp
1B  LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
1C  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
1D  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
1E  LoversRaperSGalgat.esp
1F  LoversJoburg.esp
20  LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
21  LoversBed.esp
22  LoversPower.esp
23  666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp
24  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v4a]
25  LoversBitch.esp
26  LoversCreature.esp
27  Lovers with PK Extender.esp  [Version 2.4.3]
28  LoversSoundCreature.esp  [Version 0.1.0]
29  LoversHelpRapeVPlayer.esp
2A  LoversUnicorn.esp
2B  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
2C  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
2D  PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.69.esp
2E  LoversBiko.esp
2F  CoverYourself.esp
30  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
31  FuroGeneratorTrap.esp
32  LoversImmoralGuards.esp
33  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
34  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
35  SetBody.esp
36  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
37  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Ashara's Sirens and Tritons.esp
38  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Dialog.esp
39  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
3A  zzEstrus.esp
3B  x117race.esp
3C  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
3D  Lop-ears Elf.esp
3E  Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
3F  Slof's Horses Base.esp
40  Slof's Extra Horses.esp
41  Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
42  P1DlookHereYou.esp
43  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.4.1]
44  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
45  LoversMB2.esp
46  Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
47  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
48  Lovers3dorgasm.esp
49  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

 

Not too sure what I should do about the lot between setbody and Bashed Patch.

 

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P1DlookHereYou.esp  after Sivering Isles

Alternative Beginnings.esp before SetBody

Slof's Horses Base.esp,  Slof's Extra Horses.esp,  Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp  after DLCSpellTomes.esp

??? Are you sure you need Slof's Extra Horses.esp and Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp  ???

zzEstrus.esp  after SetBody

 

CoverYourself.esp after Knights

RMDailyIncomeV2.esp after Knights and CoverYourself.esp.

 

666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp  ( BOSS does not know it) It is an Tamago Mod so place it afer TamagoSetBody.esp

 

 

You are still missing MBP Mods. e.g. Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp

Spoiler from the MBP download page

 

 

00 Oblivion.esm

**---**

03 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

**---**

0C x117race.esm

**---**

0F Chanpon.esm

**---**

++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
AA Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
AB Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
AC x117race.esp
AD Chanpon_cha01.esp
AE Lop-ears Elf.esp
AF Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
++ x117Race ENG Race.esp

**---**

CD Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

If you have the OMod MBP Version you should have all those esm/esp.

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Bump, i really can't get this to work still.

Meanwhile, I've discovered some other bugs/issues..

PSE: When i get enslaved while sleeping (Taken to that room of sort). The animations stutter, i get crap FPS, and the npc's bugs out all over the place. The madam, who is supposed to do something, pulls out a dildo, and hides it again. And that's it.

Male models:
The dick on male models when having sex/raping acts like artifacts.. I've tried to reinstall roberts male replacement, but still nothing. Also, "MaleBodyReplacer.esp" is merged into my bashed patch with the rest of MBP and beautiful people.
 

EDIT:
Also, just tried to run BOSS. It rearranged some plugins, but it disabled my bashed patch, and enabled all of the merged esp's from the bashed patch instead.. I thought I was supposed to do the oppesite? :s

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Once you run BOSS you will need to rebuild your bashed patch.  The reason for this is that Oblivion is very load order sensitive.  Make changes to your load order and you will need to rebuild your bashed patch each time.  You will additionally need to either make a clean save or start a new game.

 

Remember to disable any Lovers plugins (esm and esp files) prior to rebuilding your bashed patch.

 

As to the dicks for males spazzing out, I assume you are running the LAPF right?  If so then you MUST install Growlf's Universal skeleton (use the controllable version) and THEN install the LAPF and say "YES" to the overwrite prompts.  This will fix the dick issue during sex.  Installing or re-installing robert's male body won't help you.

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Maybe that save is corrupted?

 

Do you have older save files with the same character? If so try loading them.

 

 

Not the save. But it is proberly something to do with the load order, and/or how the plugins was installed, I followed different guides, and havn't used boss before now. So I might just go ahead and reinstall the lot.

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So what about install order after i've got the "essentials" down (LAPF, PLUGGY, MBP and so on.)

 

 

If you had read the LAPF install instructions you need to install pretty much everything you want to run and then install the LAPF and finally install your LPK desired plugins.  By installing Lovers stuff last there is less possibility of something overwriting critical files.

 

The world isn't going to end since you didn't do this, however now you just need to be on your guard that any other mod you install doesn't overwrite something that will break Lovers.  We can't give any further guidance unless you actually list what you are wanting to install.

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Well I already listed my load order, which should give you an idea of what I want. But I do not know what you would be looking for other than that?

 

Stuff that does not show up in the load order is stuff like pluggy, darnified and similar.

EDIT:
Is Estrus a part of Lovers? Couldn't figure it out :/

 

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As I said before, the best policy is to install all plugins that you want prior to installing Lovers.  Since you already installed Lovers however, you will just need to pay close attention to make sure you don't install something that will break it.  Can't do much more than that for you.

 

No.  Estrus is not part of Lovers.  Never has been and won't be.  In fact, the latest version of Estrus conflicts with Lovers.  You'll need to turn off the BU armor\nudeshy\flea option in the Estrus settings or Lovers animations won't play.

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As I said before, the best policy is to install all plugins that you want prior to installing Lovers.  Since you already installed Lovers however, you will just need to pay close attention to make sure you don't install something that will break it.  Can't do much more than that for you.

 

No.  Estrus is not part of Lovers.  Never has been and won't be.  In fact, the latest version of Estrus conflicts with Lovers.  You'll need to turn off the BU armor\nudeshy\flea option in the Estrus settings or Lovers animations won't play.

Ahh okay, Well thanks for the help. I'll report back when 'hopefully' I get it all mostly working :)

 

Thanks for the tip on estrus :)

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Okay, I've now reinstalled oblivion. Made about 4 backups throughout the whole install process, from installing the basics. To right before I begin with my lovers plugins. (My testing of these show they all work fine).

I STILL have the same problem with the BravilUnderground mod though, And I've begun to think it's a clash between that and another plugin I have...

Also, I found this topic with a guy having the same problem as me. "http://www.loverslab.com/topic/20711-bravilunderground-makes-saves-crash/"

 

From that, I'm now testing the rest of the plugins to see if the PSE issues have been fixed with this reinstall, I took all of your advice (and hopefully understood it). While following the guide for loadorder and installing LAPF...

As of now, this is my loadorder:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
03  x117race.esm
04  Lovers with PK.esm
05  TamagoClub.esm
06  HiyokoClub.esm
07  LoversCreature.esm
08  Chanpon.esm
09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A  P1DlookHereYou.esp
0B  DLCHorseArmor.esp
0C  DLCOrrery.esp
0D  DLCVileLair.esp
0E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0F  DLCSpellTomes.esp
10  DLCThievesDen.esp
11  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
12  DLCFrostcrag.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
13  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
14  Knights.esp
15  CoverYourself.esp
16  RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
17  Slof's Horses Base.esp
18  Slof's Extra Horses.esp
19  Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
1A  TamagoPlayerHUD.esp  [Version 2.0]
1B  TamagoBreak.esp
1C  LoversTamagoClub.esp
1D  LoversHiyokoShooter.esp
1E  LoversEncounter.esp
1F  HiyokoGenerator.esp
20  HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp
21  TamagoSetBody.esp
22  666_Modified_Contraception_esp_1_0.esp
23  LoversAphrodisia.esp
24  LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
25  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
26  LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
27  LoversRaperS.esp
28  LoversJoburg.esp
29  LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
2A  LoversBed.esp
2B  Lovers with PK.esp  [Version 96v4a]
2C  LoversBitch.esp
2D  LoversCreature.esp
2E  Lovers with PK Extender.esp  [Version 2.4.3]
2F  LoversSoundCreature.esp  [Version 0.1.0]
30  LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
31  LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
32  LoversRapeStruggle.esp
33  LoversUnicorn.esp
34  LoversSlaveTrader.esp
35  LSTBravilUnderground.esp
36  LoversImmoralSisters.esp
37  PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.69.esp
38  LoversBiko.esp
39  LoversHooker.esp  [Version 2.2]
3A  LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
3B  LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
3C  LoversImmoralGuards.esp
++  X-Ray Detect.esp
3D  zzEstrus.esp
3E  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.4.1]
3F  SetBody.esp
40  DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
**  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
++  x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
41  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
++  Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
42  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
43  x117race.esp
++  x117Race ENG Race.esp
44  Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp
45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
46  LoversMB2.esp
47  Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
48  LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
49  Lovers3dorgasm.esp
4A  LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp


I'll bring an update with the rest of my plugins...

Also, a question... When I'm rebuilding my bashed patch... Do I need to deactivate all of the ESP's from lovers? And how do I know which other plugins should not be activated while rebuilding the batched patch?
 
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Prior to building a bashed patch, deactivate all esm AND esp files for Lovers & Tamago plugins.  

 

Also be aware that Rape Struggle may not be compatible with the LAPF.  Rape Struggle is an old plugin that was made for rev91 of LPK.  I don't know that anyone updated it for rev94 or the current rev96.

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Prior to building a bashed patch, deactivate all esm AND esp files for Lovers & Tamago plugins.  

 

Also be aware that Rape Struggle may not be compatible with the LAPF.  Rape Struggle is an old plugin that was made for rev91 of LPK.  I don't know that anyone updated it for rev94 or the current rev96.

I did notice it using the old loversadultplay(nonssp version)

I updated it to use the ssp version though, the plugin seems to work in it self, but It might be clashing with other plugins.. I'll look into that..

 

It's a nice mod though, adds a little button mashing fight before a rape, (Atleast if you have LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer).

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Also, here's the "Overview" after the bashed patch (the one that it reports).

 

	Overview
 

	Date/Time
•  05-10-2013 13:46:14
•  Elapsed Time: 0:01:41
 

	Active Mods
•  00 Oblivion.esm
•  01 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
•  02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33]
•  03 x117race.esm
•  04 Chanpon.esm
•  05 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
•  06 P1DlookHereYou.esp
•  07 DLCHorseArmor.esp
•  08 DLCOrrery.esp
•  09 DLCVileLair.esp
•  0A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
•  0B DLCSpellTomes.esp
•  0C DLCThievesDen.esp
•  0D DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
•  0E DLCFrostcrag.esp
•  ++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
•  0F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]
•  10 Knights.esp
•  11 RMDailyIncomeV2.esp
•  12 Slof's Horses Base.esp
•  13 Slof's Extra Horses.esp
•  14 Slof's Extra Horses 2.esp
•  ++ X-Ray Detect.esp
•  15 zzEstrus.esp
•  16 Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.4.1]
•  17 SetBody.esp
•  18 DiabloEF 6 in 1.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
•  ++ x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
•  19 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
•  ++ Beautiful People 2ch-Ed ENG Race.esp
•  1A Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
•  1B x117race.esp
•  ++ x117Race ENG Race.esp
•  1C Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp

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Okay I've been testing, and alot of faults.. I can't figure out why I'm so bad at this though.. 

1. Whenever I load a game when already ingame, no action keys work (E for jump) (space for use) and so on.

2. Sometimes there's that penis / ass bug again, I can't really figure out why anything would've overridden the skeleton from LAPF, but seems this has happened anyways.

3. I CTD whenever I close the game to menu or exit.

 

4. Whenever I'm enslaved, everything is very.. "Jittery/stuttering"... The animations seems to be sped up somehow, and I can't enter 1st person view.

(I have now uninstalled Estrus and RapeStruggle because I know they do conflict in some ways, so maybe this will help).

 

I think I can fix the CTD's and ass/penis bug myself. Still not sure about the PSE fault and the Bravil fault.

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1) I gave up loading a game while in game long ago, too many possibilities for problems. I always exit and reload, works for me.

 

2) You could use a BSA unpacker to extract the archive contents and install the result, making the bsa superfluous, if this is an ongoing problem.

 

3) Not all modders are careful about cleaning things up on exit; OBSE arrays can be very bad in this respect, easy to get a crash.

Try using FastExit http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/22410//?

 

4) The mod author did not intend you to be able to enter first person view when enslaved, so this is not a bug. The jitters is.

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Okay, so as for the BravilUnderground, still having the same problem with loading.
 So I thought I would try and use the non MBP version, but unfortunally this does not get rid of the problem.

 

Also I tried reinstalling Growl's controllable skeleton to see if I could get rid of the penis/ass spassing problem, unfortunally did not help.. I'm thinking it would help to reinstall the parts of LAPF that has to do with this.. But I'm not sure how I can do this without reinstalling all of the other lovers plugins... The chances are if I just reinstall everything again, it will get overridden again and by then, i'm just running in circles.

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Okay. So I might have figured out why I get the errors I do.

First of all, I've been using Wrye Bash for most of the plugins, which is proberly not a good idea for some of the mods, so I will install them proberly this time around.

Also, I think my DLC is not installed correctly, hence the crashing of Oblivion with Bravil Underground installed.. Also I think this is the cause of my skeletons fuckin' up.

 

But ONE thing I really want to fix, is the MBP install. Where can I get the Original files(in english)?... The NOT all-in-one?...

I found this other pack which only installed the most popular ones of MBP, this seems to work much better than the OMOD install one.
BUT it is missing the x117 race, and that is a problem as this is like, a very common requirement for mods. So where can I get this/ Where can I find the original files?

EDIT: I FOUND THE x117++ Race :) http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/37377/?tab=1&navtag=%2Fajax%2Fmoddescription%2F%3Fid%3D37377%26preview%3D&pUp=1

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