Need some help guys really don't know what to do anymore !

[Bullfye]

Hi there people,

 

I have been experiencing some weird CTD and for more than 6 month I have tried to pinpoint the reason without success,

I had the SSE AE 1.653 version installed and never had issues like this , but since I updated the game  6 month ago to 1.640 version 

I am having constant CTD when I get close to Villages or populated areas like Citys , its not a Ram or Vram issue cause I tried lowering down the Graphics quality and 

ENB effects among other fixes but the issue remained , also I have a mod  Live another life  or Alternate start and since that I am fighting with this issue , The game doesn't CTD  it Freezes when I get close to Villages or cities and than I am forced to call task console and end the game task that way ...Here is my load order :

 

loadorder.txt

 

I don't know what to do anymore , since before with SSE AE 1.653 I had the doble of the mods I have now and much higher Graphic quality and the game was fine 

 

Please someone give me an Hand  and help me figure this weird issue !

 

Thanks 

Edited July 17, 2023 by Bullfye

[traison]

Freezing issues are complicated. Your best bet is probably to start tearing your setup apart until you find the issue. Start with the mods containing dll files, as those are more likely to be involved in something like this. You could also consider going back to the previous game version, assuming the downgrade patcher supports that.

[Bullfye]

2 minutes ago, traison said:

Freezing issues are complicated. Your best bet is probably to start tearing your setup apart until you find the issue. Start with the mods containing dll files, as those are more likely to be involved in something like this. You could also consider going back to the previous game version, assuming the downgrade patcher supports that.

 

Yeah , I do regret the upgrading to !.640 version , since this issue started after that ..hate this game version , so far it only gave me problems ...But most of the Mods I use from here have gone full 1.640 compat and no longer work with 1.653 game version ... Its my last option so far and the only i see it can revert my game to its glory !

 

Will wait to see if anyone had this issue and solved it or know how to solve it ..

 

Thank you for the intention and fast help reply !

[Canaduh]

So if I understand correctly, you updated mods mid playthrough, then updated the game version to be compatible with a newer mod version, then the game started freezing on a pre-existing save? Or is it a new game? 

[traison]

2 minutes ago, Canaduh said:

So if I understand correctly, you updated mods mid playthrough, then updated the game version to be compatible with a newer mod version, then the game started freezing on a pre-existing save? Or is it a new game? 

 

I sort of assumed no one would play the same character for 6 months but yeah now that I had a rethink, sure, good point. ?

[MadMansGun]

2 hours ago, Bullfye said:

it Freezes when I get close to Villages or cities

sounds like it could be a bad mesh to me (or bad navmesh data inside a esp/esm, they can be a bit harder to diagnose)

 

i once had a problem with talos statues because i had dynamic snow + a edited statue installed, the statue did not have the right flags in its nif for the snow mod and it caused the game freeze whenever i got near them in snowy areas.

[Bullfye]

21 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

sounds like it could be a bad mesh to me (or bad navmesh data inside a esp/esm, they can be a bit harder to diagnose)

 

i once had a problem with talos statues because i had dynamic snow + a edited statue installed, the statue did not have the right flags in its nif for the snow mod and it caused the game freeze whenever i got near them in snowy areas.

 

Yeah add that in mind as  well , but I don't think so , I have restarted the game so many times cause of this problem that I simply have no idea what is causing this , 

But one thing is for sure it all started after I installed Alternated life - Live another life Mod  I know that a lot of people had this issues with this Mod so I guess next step will be uninstall this Mod and start the game from ground zero with the tradicional starting way !

[ttts1]

On 7/18/2023 at 3:56 AM, Bullfye said:

 

... start the game from ground zero with the tradicional starting way !

 

You can skip the intro if you use this:  https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63953?tab=description

 

I've never used it but Tlam said it works: 

 

[Jotasran]

Regarding the freeze issue, disabling Vsync seems to have eliminated my freezes. 

 

https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/3745-enablevsync-and-enablefpslimit/

 

I know the article is old, but it sure seemed to help me.  I get an odd graphics glitch momentarily every once in a while. 

 

This was the youtube video that convinced me to try it...

 

 

[Bullfye]

On 7/20/2023 at 3:33 AM, Jotasran said:

Regarding the freeze issue, disabling Vsync seems to have eliminated my freezes. 

 

https://stepmodifications.org/forum/topic/3745-enablevsync-and-enablefpslimit/

 

I know the article is old, but it sure seemed to help me.  I get an odd graphics glitch momentarily every once in a while. 

 

This was the youtube video that convinced me to try it...

 

 

 

 

 Naaa , Didn't done nothing the Freezing happens at the same spot exactly entering any Town Village or City !

I have been bumping my head with this issue  and can't figure it out !

[MadMansGun]

i have no clue what would be in every town in the game, maybe doors? a high res mesh replacer mod? bad face gen data? maybe some shitty mod that adds oblivion gates?

 

edit: whatever the "HStownnamehere" mods are seem like a possible cause

Edited July 21, 2023 by MadMansGun

[Bullfye]

5 hours ago, MadMansGun said:

i have no clue what would be in every town in the game, maybe doors? a high res mesh replacer mod? bad face gen data? maybe some shitty mod that adds oblivion gates?

 

edit: whatever the "HStownnamehere" mods are seem like a possible cause

 

Appreciated the time you took to try to pin a possible issue , 

 

but the HS Mods are not touching the places I had Freezing game so far , if you know 

one of the options of Live another life mod is that you choose the start and I have chosen

the option to escape the prison , so what i do after I get out of the Pison is go to the closer Mixwater Mill enter the workers empty house

and save there, so far its ok but once I choose either go to Darkwater crossing or Ivarstead has I am close the game freezes... So its nothing to do with those HS mods that are in Major City the only mods I have for Towns and Settlements are from Arthmoor including the Alternate life - Live another Life mod...

 

Never got in problems with HS mods cause main thing they change Interiors not Exteriors so if the Freezing or CTD was entering those Modded interiors I would get those out and test the game right away .. But that isn't the case The places so far that my game freezes and forces me to open Task Manager to end game and  exit are those modded with Arthmoor Towns..

 

Maybe I take them out next to test if it is the issue ..

 

Its really mid bugging that I am at this for 4 month and can't find any clue to fix it !

 

Thank you so much for your time taken to help me bud ..

[Bullfye]

Another thing that I knew recently is that maybe the Alternate start Live another life mod is not the correct version for my 1.6.353 Skyrim , I saw 

that he states in nexus that is for 1. 629 SSE AE  and above ....

 

 

If anyone has the version of  Alternate Start LAL for 1.6.353 SSE AE please send it to me via PM  if possible , can't find it 

[Canaduh]

If I had to take a wild guess, you have too many ESPs. I'm sure several of them are flagged ESL, and perhaps you have flagged some ESL yourself?

[Bullfye]

25 minutes ago, Canaduh said:

If I had to take a wild guess, you have too many ESPs. I'm sure several of them are flagged ESL, and perhaps you have flagged some ESL yourself?

 

 

Nope completely wrong ...

 

In fact this same build, i used to have over 800 mods and 700 of them were ESL flagged plugins and never had this issue , more I didn't flag no Plug in at all , mor I have 450 mods and most are ESL apart from the others that are ESP...

 

So you Guessed really Wildly !

Edited July 21, 2023 by Bullfye

[Canaduh]

9 minutes ago, Bullfye said:

 

 

Nope completely wrong ...

 

In fact this same build, i used to have over 800 mods and 300 of them were ESL flagged plugins and never had this issue , more I din't flag no Plug in at all , mor I have 450 mods and most are ESL apart from the others that are ESP...

 

So you Guessed really Wildly !

Looking at your load order it counts 443 lines all .ESP. 

I'm sure several of them are flagged ESL, but you would need to check that at minimum 189 of them must be flagged ESL. 

Of those 189, you should start disabling them one by one to see when you can cocwhiterunexterior01. 

Once you have identified ALL mods that need disabling, run them in SSEedit and check for flags and errors. 

Not all mods SHOULD be flagged ESL. Some of the creators are out there are too busy with if they can, to know if they should.

[Bullfye]

19 minutes ago, Canaduh said:

Looking at your load order it counts 443 lines all .ESP. 

I'm sure several of them are flagged ESL, but you would need to check that at minimum 189 of them must be flagged ESL. 

Of those 189, you should start disabling them one by one to see when you can cocwhiterunexterior01. 

Once you have identified ALL mods that need disabling, run them in SSEedit and check for flags and errors. 

Not all mods SHOULD be flagged ESL. Some of the creators are out there are too busy with if they can, to know if they should.

 

[Bullfye]

OK guys following my first post , I have being taking of some possible mods that could create this game freezing , that always forces me to ALT TAB call the task manager to terminate the Game or force quit ...

 

I need  someone that can read papyrus log cause it states things that I do not have , like Ostim for example , I have mods to Sexlab and this is a new setup game so if someone can help me  by looking into this papyrus log and my load order , both attached below I would appreciate the help ..

 

Its driving me Mad , can not understand the cause for this Freezings ...

 

Load order file 

 

loadorder.txt

 

Papyrus Log   Errors reporting 

 

Papyrus.0.log

 

 

Really need help to understand this ..

[traison]

4 hours ago, Bullfye said:

it states things that I do not have , like Ostim for example

 

Those are simply messages printed by other mods. A mod with ostim compatibility for instance. This line for instance:

WARNING: Variable ostim on script LSOSAdialogueScript has an invalid type OsexIntegrationMain

 

...proves that you do not at least have a script called OsexIntegrationMain.pex, ie. it's not proof of Osex existing but rather the opposite.

[Bullfye]

3 hours ago, traison said:

 

Those are simply messages printed by other mods. A mod with ostim compatibility for instance. This line for instance:

WARNING: Variable ostim on script LSOSAdialogueScript has an invalid type OsexIntegrationMain

 

...proves that you do not at least have a script called OsexIntegrationMain.pex, ie. it's not proof of Osex existing but rather the opposite.

  Yeah I thought it was like wanting for Ostim ,  but I do not use it and mods I have are for Sexlab ..

 

Thanks

[anjenthedog]

idk if it's been brought up, but are you using any mods that improve the look of Skyrim (high K textures, cool weather and lighting mods, neato refitts on cities and towns, added trees, wavy, windy trees and grasses and bushes, more rando NPCs and creatures, neato new improved textures for said creature and NPCs, etc etc)

 

My freezes have gone up with every new neato shiny I've added to the exterior world, where most of those freezes occur (if not all, now that I think about it they don't happen in player homes, not in NPC homes, not in vendor buildings, not in the castles and holds, and not in dungeons, caves, and any other "delved" areas)

 

But one thing's for sure,. I have a gorgeous outdoor view.

 

When I monitor the GPU and CPU loads, I can always see my GPU is stretched to the wire on capabilities.

 

Now of course, I have a relatively low end video card (1060SC 6G), so maybe that's *my problem, but maybe it's yours too, idk

Edited July 29, 2023 by anjenthedog

[Bullfye]

6 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

idk if it's been brought up, but are you using any mods that improve the look of Skyrim (high K textures, cool weather and lighting mods, neato refitts on cities and towns, added trees, wavy, windy trees and grasses and bushes, more rando NPCs and creatures, neato new improved textures for said creature and NPCs, etc etc)

 

My freezes have gone up with every new neato shiny I've added to the exterior world, where most of those freezes occur (if not all, now that I think about it they don't happen in player homes, not in NPC homes, not in vendor buildings, not in the castles and holds, and not in dungeons, caves, and any other "delved" areas)

 

But one thing's for sure,. I have a gorgeous outdoor view.

 

When I monitor the GPU and CPU loads, I can always see my GPU is stretched to the wire on capabilities.

 

Now of course, I have a relatively low end video card (1060SC 6G), so maybe that's *my problem, but maybe it's yours too, idk

 Oh my GPU is old its  a 1050 Ti  , but I have  low number of graphic mods , Trees a performance one , Northern Roads , and COTN Cities available , Water for ENb , Rudy enb for Obsidian weathers , .. etc 

 

The point here is that I didn't change this Mods for years ,always used them , and this is the first time my game doesn't CTD but Freezes forcing me to call up Task manager to end skyrim task ..

 

I do not get it ... its literally driving me mad to understand what is wrong , even disable VSync in the GPU and Enb , but the darn Freezing happens the same , I noted that this freezings happen when a NPC comes in , and with this I mean the ones I have Mods that change appearance... Its very weird ...am downloading my NPC mods again to check if its some kind of corrupted download that is causing it !

 

It is weird ..

[Bullfye]

Finally found the problem people and am posting this here so that if someone has the same problem knows exactly what is causing it ...

 

Specially if you have installed this Mod :

 

 

This mod was causing the freezing issue ... didn't installed it from the game start and there it was no Freezings near NPC no more ...