Staff: considered a wiki?

[Monsto Brukes]

There's quite a bit of information that is directly related to posted mods, that isn't related to modding in general (ck wiki), is buried in support threads, and gets mentioned over and over 
 

"It's on page 9 of this thread. Please search the forums."

 

Which basically means the person searches for something like "tbbp" and gets a million hits with no idea what terms to use to refine the search... so after reading around for :30, and not finding the answer . . . well we've all been thru this.

 

So a wiki would help deal with this by having various info that's scattered across threads and posts aggregated into a central place that is extremely refined. I can't imagine that it would ever have more than 100 pages on it, but each page would be highly concentrated and relevant information.

 

Skyrim TBBP is actually a perfect example. That release thread will never die, but the starter/releaser hasn't posted in over a year. There's a ton of troubleshooting and suggested solutions buried in the thread that can all be distilled down to 1 or 2 actual problems and actual solutions. A new user could spend a significant amount of wasted time reading thru that thread, when the main solution is to "Install this then do that" and it will work.

 

Access and permission wise it wouldn't have to be that hard: staff and approved volunteers. I was going to say uploaders, but some mods need that kind of info and some don't. So it could likely be covered with a policy of "ask for a wiki page if you think you need it".

 

Stale information? It's going to happen. Can't prevent it in anyway. At it's worst, it's better than 300 posts of stale information. Even then, if someone wants to fix stale info, it's a lot simpler to give additional volunteers access to a wiki than it is to change ownership of the OP of a forum thread.

 

Resource usage? Potentially zero. Mediawiki is the vBulletin (or IPBoard) of wikis. . . it's huge and has a ton of features and requirements (php, mysql, auth, etc). On the lighter side is usemodwiki, a 15 yr old Perl based web app that uses a flat file database with auth consisting of a unique username (basically a wiki page) plus admin pw and a Mod pw. The point is that there's plenty of options in between the two, all with varying capabilities and all using the same general syntax.

 

Anyway, just a thought. At the mo, I'm writing a thread to help clear up some skyrim bbp issues, and thought of this.

[Ark of Truth]

Have you considered using a existing thread?

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/12499-lovers-with-pk-wiki/

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/13024-start-a-sexout-wiki/i

[DoctaSax]

The trouble with the wikis so far has been that after an initial burst of enthusiasm, there's been a lack of people expanding them & keeping them up to date to keep them worth visiting. The modders themselves usually have their hands full, and without continued page contributions and maintenance from regular members they sorta fizzled out. Shame, really.

 

When it comes to making certain intel more accessible, I'll wager that if you contact your friendly neighborhood moderator about sticking some problem-solving info in an OP by a modder who's no longer active, that can be arranged. It's something at least.

[Ark of Truth]

Not only that, do you really want a public wiki displaying that this site makes mods to do with rape etc?

 

If you want a wiki we need one which is attached to this site instead of a external one.

[gregathit]

I am completely fine with any and all wiki's.  Just don't ask "ME" to make them.  The way the thread tile is worded gives off the impression that the OP expects or thinks that the staff\moderators should be making or generating this.  I am here to tell you we don't have the time.  Being a moderator alone can be quite a burden, then pile on top of that all the staff\moderators are also modders  (Ashal - SexLab), Doc (Sexout), Brue (Sexout) and me (LPK) and our limited free time is already overwhelmed.   

 

Starting and keeping a wiki organized is a hell of a lot more work that one might think.  Now having said "we" can't devote any time to it, we would be more than ecstatic to point to or stickie any thread that members make.  This is a community and as such, folks who "recognize" a problem, need to get off the couch and address said issue.  This doesn't mean sole responsibility falls on them, but it does mean that an attempt needs to be made on their part in lieu of just spouting out complaints or another thread stating someone other than themselves needs to "do something".

 

Bottom line, if more folks were to kick in and even tackle small things then dramatic improvements could happen quickly.  If instead folks just sit around and complain.........it may still happen, but it damn sure won't happen quickly.

 

 

NOTE:  I am not picking on the OP here so don't misunderstand my little rant.  It is the "idea" that others need to do something, instead of folks getting involved and either doing what they see needs done, or asking what they can do to help.  Almost every contributor (the guys\gals with green names) on this site could use help now and again testing stuff if nothing else.  I know that I produce things 10 times faster and 100 times better with folks helping me test.  I also know that I have been very, very, VERY fortunate to have folks willing to test things for me.  Not all other contributors have been that lucky.

 

Again, there is nothing wrong with discussing this stuff, as long as the reaction leads to more folks kicking in to help out modders, and NOT expecting modders to dump even more of their limited free time into info threads.

 

 

[Lagoon0654]

Hmm, I've had some experience working with the wiki style so I could maybe assist if one were to be created.

However I won't be the one to install or host one.

 

Not to mention theres so many articles that would need to be made... Would be quite the work load.

 

 

 

Of course at this point sounds like I'm dismissing the idea but I'm not. It's a really good idea, but there's a lot of work behind the scenes that a lot of people don't really realize.

[Monsto Brukes]

I am completely fine with any and all wiki's.  Just don't ask "ME" to make them.  The way the thread tile is worded gives off the impression that the OP expects or thinks that the staff\moderators should be making or generating this.  I am here to tell you we don't have the time.  Being a moderator alone can be quite a burden, then pile on top of that all the staff\moderators are also modders  (Ashal - SexLab), Doc (Sexout), Brue (Sexout) and me (LPK) and our limited free time is already overwhelmed.   

 

Starting and keeping a wiki organized is a hell of a lot more work that one might think.  Now having said "we" can't devote any time to it, we would be more than ecstatic to point to or stickie any thread that members make.  This is a community and as such, folks who "recognize" a problem, need to get off the couch and address said issue.  This doesn't mean sole responsibility falls on them, but it does mean that an attempt needs to be made on their part in lieu of just spouting out complaints or another thread stating someone other than themselves needs to "do something".

 

Bottom line, if more folks were to kick in and even tackle small things then dramatic improvements could happen quickly.  If instead folks just sit around and complain.........it may still happen, but it damn sure won't happen quickly.

 

 

NOTE:  I am not picking on the OP here so don't misunderstand my little rant.  It is the "idea" that others need to do something, instead of folks getting involved and either doing what they see needs done, or asking what they can do to help.  Almost every contributor (the guys\gals with green names) on this site could use help now and again testing stuff if nothing else.  I know that I produce things 10 times faster and 100 times better with folks helping me test.  I also know that I have been very, very, VERY fortunate to have folks willing to test things for me.  Not all other contributors have been that lucky.

 

Again, there is nothing wrong with discussing this stuff, as long as the reaction leads to more folks kicking in to help out modders, and NOT expecting modders to dump even more of their limited free time into info threads.

 

1) that wasn't my intention. I tend to keep my subject lines abstract, and it was more of a question of "had you considered having one on site". The only expectation I had of staff was to man the door "Here, you can have access. Off you go."

 

2) I'm probably one of the outliers here in that I have my fave-projects that I promote and help on. I don't know how prevalent that is, but if each of those people spent a little time on the pages for their faves, it would make a difference. 

 

3) Your remarks came off exactly like you meant i think "Yeah. Great idea for you." Which is pretty much what I intended.

 

I suppose rather than talking about specific solutions, I should define the problem . . .

 

The problem is that there's a ton of info buried in threads that people can't really find even after significant searching. It will require non-trivial work to aggregate the info for what amounts to trivial presentation. Who's going to do the work? I volunteer doing it for my little corner of preferences.

[ettorg]

The "where can i find" topics are a sort of wiki, people can ask "how to do" to others members directly, i think it's better , and for the searching, again, the "what mod is it" and "where can i find" are perfect, and fits perfectly to a forum like this.

The downloads sections are fine for me too.

Maybe a search with an option  "with download links" could be usefull, but is it "lore friendly"? XD (i hate the lore friendly crusaders of skyrim nexus^^)

Searching comes with modding, i think you can make mods or just use them, it's a bit the same thing for everyone

 

I installed fallout 3 20 times(at last), i was like this:

This mod looks kewl, ok i download...oh this one too, but it requires this one, here i go, hum i need fose, let's go, but but, with fose i can put this and this waw!

A few mods later my game ctd...each time, ok i check the solutions :boss ok ctd again. well i reinstall, i don't care (i finished the game since a long time).

And again and again and again, that's how i learned (a few) how to mod my games, and i think it's the same for everyone (diff: most of mods are better builded now i think, i'm sure)

 

If you want to mod your game, you Must have the time for it, it's a part of  the game.

 

Sometimes i come back to warcraft3 (hehe with "moded" maps (eternal conflict or tower def)), medieval II, heroes of might and magic or c&c3....to take a breath.

 

"The problem is that there's a ton of info buried in threads that people can't really find even after significant searching. It will require non-trivial work to aggregate the info for what amounts to trivial presentation. Who's going to do the work? I volunteer doing it for my little corner of preferences."

 

OK you want to make a topic with all the download links, good idea, but it will be a mess in a few time (with dead links, new links), like i said, go to "where can i find" and "what mod is it", ask, and maybe you'll have an answer.

 

Sorry for my english (understandable?)

So, have a good day/night/morning or whatever

 

 

[Monsto Brukes]

 

OK you want to make a topic with all the download links, good idea, but it will be a mess in a few time (with dead links, new links), like i said, go to "where can i find" and "what mod is it", ask, and maybe you'll have an answer.

 

Sorry for my english (understandable?)

 

 

Takes a bit, but it's understandable (=  Matter of fact, it's better than a lot of Americans I know IRL.

 

Kind of the point of a wiki is that more people can manage it. With a thread started by a guy, once the guy loses interest in the game, the thread goes stale, ownership never changes, and the point is lost. With a wiki, nobody 'owns' the page. Anyone can change it as needed.

[ettorg]

 

 

 

 

OK you want to make a topic with all the download links, good idea, but it will be a mess in a few time (with dead links, new links), like i said, go to "where can i find" and "what mod is it", ask, and maybe you'll have an answer.

 

Sorry for my english (understandable?)

 

 

Takes a bit, but it's understandable (=  Matter of fact, it's better than a lot of Americans I know IRL.

 

Kind of the point of a wiki is that more people can manage it. With a thread started by a guy, once the guy loses interest in the game, the thread goes stale, ownership never changes, and the point is lost. With a wiki, nobody 'owns' the page. Anyone can change it as needed.

 

 

 

 

really? oh i'm proud of it! lol, sorry for "takes a bit", but in french, with google translation (if you don't speak french) you could have spend the whole day and finally don't understand anything XD

 

 

 

So, yes i'm for a "database", i'm just a bit "old school" as you can see (i like searching, see what people say about the mod...)

but if everyone can modify the wiki it'll be a mess (i've seen something like that in an another community...the wiki is dead (most because of the coma than the others, he's an asshole ^^)).

I can help a little if this wiki (well what's the word) burns^^? no. born? that's more like this, not exactly but this is it

I don't have real skills on it but i have the time (and maybe i'll get better in english  yay!)