CTD at various mountain areas, cant find source of bug or mod conflict

[dregin14]

So I've been dealing with various ctd issues, and each time it crashes it happens when entering a mountain style area. The problem also shifts locations but usually stays pretty consistent in 2 locations, the path going from helgen up to the camp nearby, or when trying to go up the mountain towards high hrothgar just after the bridge in ivarstead. Now for a long time I've been adding, updating, removing, editing, making new instances, everything under the sun just to try and find this horrible crappy bug and kill it but so far the most I've ever done is watch it shift from place to place. I'm at my the end of my road with this and I officially can't understand what I'm doing wrong. It would be the most amazing thing in the world if someone would take a look at this issue and help me and tell me what I'm doing wrong because I'm absolutely tired of restarting hundreds of saves over and over again from complete scratch, personally lost count of how many saves I've made. I've including everything I believe someone would need to identify a bug, I am very low tier when it comes to modding so I can understand what i need to do to get rid of a problem but when it comes to understanding the text in the crash logs, I cant understand a single line. Ive also tried seeking help for this in the past but my issue usually got largely ignored, probably cause my issue is annoying to deal with. Personally I find this annoying that I couldn't solve it on my own, but I've been dealing with it for so long that I just need help now. modlist.txt

loadorder.txt plugins.txt crash-2023-04-02-21-26-27.log

Edited April 2, 2023 by dregin14

[traison]

First things I'd try are:

1. Wear a different outfit. That includes, hat, shoes, gloves, rings, sunglasses, piercings, ...
2. Install/reinstall XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended and/or make sure nothing is overriding its files.
3. Disable physics, both cbpc and smp. Remove the dlls if you're not sure when they're disabled.

If its still crashing after this, post another log. If the issue went away we/you can try to find a proper fix.

[dregin14]

2 hours ago, traison said:

First things I'd try are:

1. Wear a different outfit. That includes, hat, shoes, gloves, rings, sunglasses, piercings, ...
2. Install/reinstall XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended and/or make sure nothing is overriding its files.
3. Disable physics, both cbpc and smp. Remove the dlls if you're not sure when they're disabled.

If its still crashing after this, post another log. If the issue went away we/you can try to find a proper fix.

Ill give it a try, i do have cbpc and smp for cbbe 3ba, and a lot of the mods i have use those as dependencies so it might be a bit tricky to drop them but ill try it later today

[traison]

Neither smp nor cbpc contain anything that would prevent you from disabling them. The dependencies you're talking about are optional. The worst you'll get is glitched body parts or broken outfits but that's irrlevant in this case. If you try to maintain your game in mint condition while debugging a problem you're likely to waste a lot of time. Instead try to break it, once you know how to break it, you're already half way to the solution. If you fear you can't restore it afterwards, create backups.

[dregin14]

1 hour ago, traison said:

Neither smp nor cbpc contain anything that would prevent you from disabling them. The dependencies you're talking about are optional. The worst you'll get is glitched body parts or broken outfits but that's irrlevant in this case. If you try to maintain your game in mint condition while debugging a problem you're likely to waste a lot of time. Instead try to break it, once you know how to break it, you're already half way to the solution. If you fear you can't restore it afterwards, create backups.

Im not essentially scared to do it, im more or less worried that it will cause a dependency error and break a lot of the mods i want to keep, ill try it with cbpc first, that mod has a lot of other mods that depend on it so ill give it a try without smp. But yeah im fine with my game i dont need to make a backup right now cause nothing is broken and it wont break anything if i need to make a new instance because MO2 is just injecting the mods into the game. im not installing anything besides skse and some other mods that actually are important to make all my mods work. My big deal is just with MO2 having some sort of mod conflict or bug that is preventing me from playing the way i want to

[anjenthedog]

A NiNode called "SkirtRBone02" seems to be implicated, from multiple references in your crash log. Not knowing what it specifically refers to, I might associate that with either 

 

a) a clothing/armor mod (the mention of "skirt")

or

b) the skeleton (my ignorance of the actual skeletal NiNode names)

 

Being lazy, the first thing I might try is simple reinstalling the XMPSSE skeleton over itself. 

 

then I'd look at my clothing mods and wonder, "Hmm, did I install any new crap lately"? And if I did, I might be inclined to disable it them until I can confirm they're not the issue.

 

And tbh, since I have innumerable mods that require my "physics packages" (body types and smp/cbpc) as dependencies, IFF I were to debug them, I'd be inclined to the same ends as the skeleton, overwriting the current one with a fresh install.

Edited April 3, 2023 by anjenthedog
punctuation, of all things

[dregin14]

41 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

A NiNode called "SkirtRBone02" seems to be implicated, from multiple references in your crash log. Not knowing what it specifically refers to, I might associate that with either 

 

a) a clothing/armor mod (the mention of "skirt")

or

b) the skeleton (my ignorance of the actual skeletal NiNode names)

 

Being lazy, the first thing I might try is simple reinstalling the XMPSSE skeleton over itself. 

 

then I'd look at my clothing mods and wonder, "Hmm, did I install any new crap lately"? And if I did, I might be inclined to disable it them until I can confirm they're not the issue.

 

And tbh, since I have innumerable mods that require my "physics packages" (body types and smp/cbpc) as dependencies, IFF I were to debug them, I'd be inclined to the same ends as the skeleton, overwriting the current one with a fresh install.

Ok ill give that a try as well

[dregin14]

Ok well, i tried what u guys had recommended, and i think it just made things worse because the body presets stopped working and it crashed very, differently than usual and i have no idea how to fix that. At this point im just gonna go thermonuclear with it all and uninstall and reinstall MO2, do a fresh instance (even though i very, very, very don't want to have to do that all over again) and hopefully i will avoid this problem. That is, of course if my sanity still manages to stay sane. I spent a year and some change dealing with this, trying to get help and only getting results that blow up in my face. Thanks anyway for trying to help, but for now, im going to go to bed cause yeah... 

[traison]

On 4/3/2023 at 2:49 PM, traison said:

If its still crashing after this, post another log.

 

On 4/3/2023 at 6:21 PM, traison said:

If you fear you can't restore it afterwards, create backups.

 

Hm, odd. ?

[dregin14]

47 minutes ago, traison said:

 

 

Hm, odd. ?

Look ik, but at this point remaking a new clean instance will be my best option, plus reinstalling the same mods over and over again is starting to take up too much space on my hard drive. This isnt my first rodeo with having to start completely over from the ground up and i think it will cause me less of a mental headache going fresh, plus what would be the point of posting another crash log if i have a different issue. Ive spent too. Damn. Long dealing with this and im surprised i havent rage quit after crashing for the hundredth time. Also breaking it further doesnt make sense to me at this point because it just changes the original problem and makes the game even more volatile, so thanks anyway, im going to go nuke my mods

[anjenthedog]

Well, I'm sorry you weren't successful, but in retrospect, after your last post, it sounds like your game might have already been unstable, even going into that last problem, so maybe a reinstall is for the best. (especially since you said you've already gone that route!) Still, very sorry you ended up in an even more unstable situation.

 

[Grey Cloud]

Don't reinstall all your mods in one go. Do them a handful at a time and check your game as you go.

[dregin14]

2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Don't reinstall all your mods in one go. Do them a handful at a time and check your game as you go.

i mean thats the plan for the most part, but im keeping the old mods and downloads folders from the old instance that way I can put what I want into the new instance, also saves time having to relocate a years worth of mods