Werewolves

[roxavenger]

I disagree with some of the replies in this topic. Werewolves are human at core, it is as much bestiality as is fucking someone irl with the werewolf syndrome. The sims even in werewolf form are sentient, and while they have limited control, this can be seen akin to a loss of control due to illness. When werewolf sims fully master their abilities it can also be seen as someone who can to an extent control their illness, because even lore-wise lycanthropy is an illness.

 

Sims can consent as there are animations for rejection on all interactions. Someone can indeed cheat the relationship, but how would that be different to a real life person changing their mind? How do you know some cosmic power didn't edit your relationship bars when you start liking someone you hated? Redemption arks are a cliche for a reason.

 

And finally, in a lot of countries, debauchery, adultery, immodesty, and porn overall are illegal, yet here we are, on loverslab. Those countries are not the target audience for this website.

The argument that just because screwing a goat is illegal in most countries, doesn't mean that screwing someone who is deformed should be as well, since that would qualify as eugenics. In the sims universe they are fundamentally human. They have needs, relationships, feel guilt and are sentient within the rules of their universe. They are humans with an illness that can be cured or controlled.

[lanoix]

The problem with applying real life logic to a game in the case of werewolves is that there are no werewolves in real life. Sims can consent because they are animated that way? Does that mean if I make an animation of a dog consenting to sex it's ok? Why not? because in real life they can't? Ok but what about werewolves in real life, oh wait...

 

Personally I think the moral judgements could be dialed down a bit in general, it is just a game after all.

[BatDood]

9 minutes ago, lanoix said:

The problem with applying real life logic to a game in the case of werewolves is that there are no werewolves in real life. Sims can consent because they are animated that way? Does that mean if I make an animation of a dog consenting to sex it's ok? Why not? because in real life they can't? Ok but what about werewolves in real life, oh wait...

 

Personally I think the moral judgements could be dialed down a bit in general, it is just a game after all.

That statement has been thrown around many times on this forum. "It's just a game". The thing is, it goes a little further than that.

There are some people that have no interest in having any form of beast fucking in their game, no matter how anybody here tries to rationalize it. It doesn't matter what I or anybody else says. If they don't want it then they're entitled to feel that way.

 

If Turbo embraces this whole sex with werewolves thing fully then those people have to live with it if they want to own the pack. If they have sex autonomy enabled and they're in the presence of a group of NPCs that include werewolves in beast form, it's going to happen whether they like it or not.

 

If Turbo goes that route then providing a setting to disable it would be the best option for all parties involved. In the meantime, there is a tedious solution available for those people in that they can manually disable every single werewolf in the game by shift-clicking on them and disabling them for autonomy. Like I said, that would be tedious and have to be done frequently in the case that any new werewolves that are generated by the game will have to be disabled as well.

[lanoix]

2 hours ago, BatDood said:

That statement has been thrown around many times on this forum. "It's just a game". The thing is, it goes a little further than that.

There are some people that have no interest in having any form of beast fucking in their game, no matter how anybody here tries to rationalize it. It doesn't matter what I or anybody else says. If they don't want it then they're entitled to feel that way.

 

If Turbo embraces this whole sex with werewolves thing fully then those people have to live with it if they want to own the pack. If they have sex autonomy enabled and they're in the presence of a group of NPCs that include werewolves in beast form, it's going to happen whether they like it or not.

 

If Turbo goes that route then providing a setting to disable it would be the best option for all parties involved. In the meantime, there is a tedious solution available for those people in that they can manually disable every single werewolf in the game by shift-clicking on them and disabling them for autonomy. Like I said, that would be tedious and have to be done frequently in the case that any new werewolves that are generated by the game will have to be disabled as well.

 

My main point was that you can't make real life comparisons to something fictional. Like the consent argument.

 

I think this is gonna be interesting to see how it plays out because if werewolves get a human dick then there's no real question that they are simply humans in a fur suit. But if they get a dog-like dick it will be hard to try to argue that it's not bestiality.

[Darkrose78]

Soooo... At the end of the day can my werewolf sims bang non werewolf sims or nah? I just wanted to know if WW is doing that. I sure hope XD

[ryloken1998]

On 6/16/2022 at 7:15 PM, JaybeeAnimations said:

Haha, with the WW update that came out immediately after this, it's now fixed. Struggling with my werewolves being Ken doll bare, though.

Have you been able to find a solution to this? Was hoping to hookup with Greg but he's just bare XD

[jackdan23]

Actually, furry depicts anthropomorphism, which are fictional human animals. By definition anthropomorphism is completely unrelated to bestiality.

[Darkrose78]

On 6/16/2022 at 7:15 PM, JaybeeAnimations said:

Haha, with the WW update that came out immediately after this, it's now fixed. Struggling with my werewolves being Ken doll bare, though.

You were able to see that? Its still going crazy glitchy when i even attempt to woohoo with my werewolf. I have to stop the animation and everything.

[Apocatastatis]

10 hours ago, lanoix said:

I think this is gonna be interesting to see how it plays out because if werewolves get a human dick then there's no real question that they are simply humans in a fur suit. But if they get a dog-like dick it will be hard to try to argue that it's not bestiality.

 

If you're arguing that "what's the shape of the penis" is the sole arbiter as to whether or not something is bestiality and not, say, whether or not the other party is a sapient being capable of informed consent, then I question whether your weird and morally dubious definition of bestiality has any value.

[lanoix]

5 hours ago, Apocatastatis said:

 

If you're arguing that "what's the shape of the penis" is the sole arbiter as to whether or not something is bestiality and not, say, whether or not the other party is a sapient being capable of informed consent, then I question whether your weird and morally dubious definition of bestiality has any value.

 

It's a bit more than "the shape of the penis", I specifically said dog-like penis. Now, if you want to have sex with a character that has a dog penis that's none of my business, but don't pretend like you're on a moral high ground because in many peoples eyes that's a questionable act.

[Kabal460]

[Apocatastatis]

5 hours ago, lanoix said:

 

It's a bit more than "the shape of the penis", I specifically said dog-like penis. Now, if you want to have sex with a character that has a dog penis that's none of my business, but don't pretend like you're on a moral high ground because in many peoples eyes that's a questionable act.

 

I'm not going to apologize for thinking consent is an infinitely more important component of sexual morality than what someone's dick looks like.

 

And as someone who's been alive long enough to remember Lawrence v. Texas, I am not only claiming the moral high ground, I'm asserting it's the fucking Mount Everest of moral high ground.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Apocatastatis

[Kabal460]

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[Cryptogenic]

On 6/17/2022 at 3:59 AM, Apocatastatis said:

 

Pretty sure the Harkness Test would control here if we're assuming werewolves don't count as human when in beast form.

 

Good to know fucking dolphins is not beastiality, since they can communicate and are higher intelligence than humans.

[JaybeeAnimations]

On 6/20/2022 at 3:02 PM, Cryptogenic said:

 

Good to know fucking dolphins is not beastiality, since they can communicate and are higher intelligence than humans.

Both of those things are wrong

[kuntykuchiisims]

On 6/18/2022 at 1:40 AM, BatDood said:

If it upsets you that much, don't read it and move on. Simple.

For one…How do you know something will upset you before you read it??? 
 

but nah I’m not upset particularly just flabbergasted at the silly ass idea that the werewolves can’t have sex OR THATS TO FAR!!! there’s whole serial killer mods….killer children ??? BUT THIS IS WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE ??

Self-righteous bullshit

[Raitopaawa]

1 hour ago, kavease said:

For one…How do you know something will upset you before you read it??? 
 

but nah I’m not upset particularly just flabbergasted at the silly ass idea that the werewolves can’t have sex OR THATS TO FAR!!! there’s whole serial killer mods….killer children ??? BUT THIS IS WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE ??

Self-righteous bullshit

 

I know right, wokes at their finest LOL

[JaybeeAnimations]

On 6/19/2022 at 11:48 AM, lanoix said:

 

It's a bit more than "the shape of the penis", I specifically said dog-like penis. Now, if you want to have sex with a character that has a dog penis that's none of my business, but don't pretend like you're on a moral high ground because in many peoples eyes that's a questionable act.

In the sims 4 a fully transformed werewolf will just sit at a bonfire wearing t-shirt and jeans, discussing the game with their friend, having a beer, before biking home to get some paperwork done before bed. You can't argue that that's an animal. It's just a person whose dick looks different sometimes.

It doesn't matter if the new dick looks canine. It's not a dog penis, because it's not on a dog. It's attached to an informed, consenting adult, and there's nothing morally questionable about that.

Edited June 22, 2022 by JaybeeAnimations
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[lanoix]

6 hours ago, JaybeeAnimations said:

In the sims 4 a fully transformed werewolf will just sit at a bonfire wearing t-shirt and jeans, discussing the game with their friend, having a beer, before biking home to get some paperwork done before bed. You can't argue that that's an animal. It's just a person whose dick looks different sometimes.

It doesn't matter if the new dick looks canine. It's not a dog penis, because it's not on a dog. It's attached to an informed, consenting adult, and there's nothing morally questionable about that.

 

Heh. Consenting adult huh, is that so? Do you ask your sims before you undress them? Do they consent? Are you aware that you're playing a video game and that these characters aren't actually conscious? 

They "consent" (or not) depending on who the story teller is. If you say your sims consent, then that's your story. But that's where it ends, you can't pretend that this fictional consent somehow absolves you of moral judgement or that it makes your story morally superior to someone else's story. That's just hypocritical.

 

But I get it, we all tell ourselves stories to help us sleep better at night. And I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to shame anyone, in fact it's the opposite. I think people should climb down from their moral high horses and be more open minded. 

[JaybeeAnimations]

15 hours ago, lanoix said:

 

Heh. Consenting adult huh, is that so? Do you ask your sims before you undress them? Do they consent? Are you aware that you're playing a video game and that these characters aren't actually conscious? 

They "consent" (or not) depending on who the story teller is. If you say your sims consent, then that's your story. But that's where it ends, you can't pretend that this fictional consent somehow absolves you of moral judgement or that it makes your story morally superior to someone else's story. That's just hypocritical.

 

But I get it, we all tell ourselves stories to help us sleep better at night. And I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to shame anyone, in fact it's the opposite. I think people should climb down from their moral high horses and be more open minded. 

 

Yeah, I do know that Sims 4 is a video game. Thanks. You can't pull the "it's all fake anyway" after literally arguing that fucking werewolves would be morally questionable. Werewolves also happen to be fake. We're discussing fake things.

I think everyone who makes and uses horny sims mods are on the same page; that it's just porn that you have control over, and that's what we're here for. You were arguing that wanting to involve sims werewolves in said porn is morally bad because they might have canine dicks, and I was trying to say that sims werewolves can be adults with as much of an ability to communicate and consent as any other sim, so when trying to talk morals within the context of this video game, the shape of their penises don't matter. It's not bestiality.

Edited June 23, 2022 by JaybeeAnimations

[SticksStackStuck]

On 6/19/2022 at 1:17 AM, Darkrose78 said:

Soooo... At the end of the day can my werewolf sims bang non werewolf sims or nah? I just wanted to know if WW is doing that. I sure hope XD

 

To the degree it pertains to the discussion: Yes, with vanilla unmodded settings a sim in werewolf form can make a pass on a non-werewolf sim, do romantic interactions including a "making wolf eyes" at someone, and get them to wohoo in the usual manner.

 

We can of course discuss whether having sex with a fictional creature would be morally right or wrong in a given setting, but the morality of the Sims 4 is defined by Maxis. Deciding right or wrong in Sims 4 is their call, not ours. Given what you can do without mods, I'd say fucking werewolves is perfectly morally justified within the diegetic framework of the Sims 4. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by SticksStackStuck

[Apocatastatis]

On 6/22/2022 at 1:07 PM, Raitopaawa said:

 

I know right, wokes at their finest LOL

 

considering the most horny-for-werewolves people i know are also incredibly far on the "woke" side, i'm going to assume that you're a moron

[Guest]

No female form for werewolves is a poor decision in my opinion. The male form becomes the default form for females also...gender neutral, social justice warriors will be heralding EA as the salvation of the world...

Then I will kill myself...and hope that the humanist's were right all along!!

Edited June 26, 2022 by Winter Soul

[JaybeeAnimations]

To go back to the start of this topic, anyone else having trouble making parts appear on the werewolf form? I noticed a new category in the body selector called "werewolf hard penis", but no matter what you select there (even default) the werewolf still has no genitals.

[peachello]

On 6/23/2022 at 6:19 PM, SticksStackStuck said:

 

To the degree it pertains to the discussion: Yes, with vanilla unmodded settings a sim in werewolf form can make a pass on a non-werewolf sim, do romantic interactions including a "making wolf eyes" at someone, and get them to wohoo in the usual manner.

 

We can of course discuss whether having sex with a fictional creature would be morally right or wrong in a given setting, but the morality of the Sims 4 is defined by Maxis. Deciding right or wrong in Sims 4 is their call, not ours. Given what you can do without mods, I'd say fucking werewolves is perfectly morally justified within the diegetic framework of the Sims 4. 

 

the entire marketing for the werewolves pack was "live your furry dreams! get ready to play out your furry fantasies! furry thirst traps!"
 

im kinda baffled that people on this forum of all places are questioning the morals of wolf fucking when even EA themselves have given us the green light