kaydens1234 Posted March 28, 2022 Posted March 28, 2022 Basically a one life run with DAYMOYL + Naked defeat (any defeat will do), the losing condition besides dying is Stress and Trauma (The mod itself is only visual effect but its a self imposed rule that either reaches maximum is a bad end.) So the general idea is managing stress and trauma while making your ends meet from common needs/survival mod. DAYMOYL has a high chance to send the player into simple slavery when conditions met, and several outcomes from that is basically chain rape ( Devious Cidhna pirate/bandit sex slave) which results in lethal trauma damage. So its a good idea to surrender if you cant run away with defeat which you can set for a low or none simple slavery chance. Oh, don't forget to include the awesome Kidnapped by Riekling slavery outcome so you can be rescued by goblin slayer! The combat needs to be brutal so common bandits/beasts is a real threat, True Armor wildcat + immersive movement gets the job done for me as its very difficult to run away from hard hitting beasts although its not a big deal to lose the fight as I don't think they can send you to the auction house, you will recover with some stress problem and deal with the aftermath. Bandits is another story, humanoids are by far the most dangerous enemies to lose to and they can finish you off just as fast as you can kill them. Add some common economy mods like economy overhaul to keep your finance in check and bounty rewards well worth the risk. Contraband is the star here it also has interesting interaction with Bodysearch and prison mod. But not all guards are corrupt tho, most of them will come to your aid if you are caught in a compromised state by thugs (defined by SL Adventure, mostly from daymoyl aftermath) through Spectator crowds Moral guards option. There are no dragons and dragonborn here, just a random adventuress trying to survive a harsh world on a daily basis. P.S Not related but honourable mention for couple awesome cosmetic mods, Realistic armor and Bigger orcs, for improved immersion.
blank_v Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 For me Naked Defeat is bad mod... sorry @Nymra quality is nice, sounds when DD is equpped and even pee anilation... and animated DDs But for me Naked Defeat have TOO many bugs... - i got defeated by Human and Giant was teleported to me... wtf?... - i got defeated and at whiping stage... NPC was just too far away from me and was whiping air... cool... now my air is dead xD - i got defeated... but NPC forgot to continue?... idk if thats some feature or not... but it was like... i got this animation for defeat and NPC just wakled away... no dialogue no nothing... #lol... in my opinion only defeat mod is SL Defeat... its my fav. mod and first mod i always download!... 0 bugs, 0 problems it works perfectly And i don't understand why using Kidnapped by Reklings... ( tbh im not sure what this mod can offer but i simply don't like those goblins ) When u have option to download and use SL Kidnapped... SL Kidnapped works with many races :x... unledd Kidnapped by reklings have something more to offer than just rape???... Tbh. I'm not sure what is ur Topic... like tutorial?... or question?... if u wanted to make tutorial for just mods recommendations for sex rouge gameplay... well i think CursedLoot and SL Survival should be on this list... where is Apropos2? Extra comments and Sex effects and more... like how TF "Immersive Movement" is related to sex / combat gameplay?... For combat I'm just using again SL Defeat... i just set Health Treshold to 85% it means when my Health drop below 85% i get defeated :)... i used to play with 100% but then it started to bug with whiping animations... Also SL Survival... i dont think i mentioned it here... if You play as Female character u get debuf to everything... THATS true like u said "BRUTAL" Combat... try to fight when you are weak girl and all ur stats are lowered by Mod but tbh. im not sure if that debuf was from SL Survival... this mod is too giant so its hard to tell xD
Nymra Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: For me Naked Defeat is bad mod... sorry @Nymra quality is nice, sounds when DD is equpped and even pee anilation... and animated DDs did you EVER post in my support section before? cannot recognized you at all. So this is the weirdest way to give feedback imo 9 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: But for me Naked Defeat have TOO many bugs... - i got defeated by Human and Giant was teleported to me... wtf?... which version? I worked on this alot. should not happen in the current version except for very rare cases. 9 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: - i got defeated and at whiping stage... NPC was just too far away from me and was whiping air... cool... now my air is dead xD did this happen EVERY time? I guess not. Naked Defeat is a mod that tries to provide best experience in almost any possible situation. This is impossible to achieve and some oddities will always happen. Happens to me too, but rare enough and hey, maybe the whipper just wants to scare you 9 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: - i got defeated... but NPC forgot to continue?... idk if thats some feature or not... but it was like... i got this animation for defeat and NPC just wakled away... no dialogue no nothing... #lol... is this a support request? if you read any description about mods I would like to have a papyrus.log file for the situation where that happens and I happily go bug hunting. I only support latest Nade version tho. 9 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: in my opinion only defeat mod is SL Defeat... its my fav. mod and first mod i always download!... 0 bugs, 0 problems it works perfectly SL Defeat has too many flaws for me and offers little else than playing sex animations. Naked Defeat tries to expand the experience alot (has SL Defeat whipping? Expressions? Furniture Bondage? Item related scenarios? Defeat on Hit chance? A good surrender function? No?
blank_v Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Nymra said: did you EVER post in my support section before? cannot recognized you at all. So this is the weirdest way to give feedback imo No... I'm thinking about other Modders same as about myself xD #lol... When sm1 report me problem about my mod... nah... i no care fuck it ( but sometimes when i have some free time i do fix those problems ) But i was not expecting You to care about it... but i like u and respect ur mod thats why i said sorry 23 minutes ago, Nymra said: which version? I worked on this alot. should not happen in the current version except for very rare cases. Lastest version?... i hope... tbh. few days ago i redownloaded SexLab ( cuz OSex is kinda boring so i wanted change ) -> Naked Defeat 4-50 - Full (SE).7z 24 minutes ago, Nymra said: did this happen EVERY time? I guess not. Naked Defeat is a mod that tries to provide best experience in almost any possible situation. This is impossible to achieve and some oddities will always happen. Happens to me too, but rare enough and hey, maybe the whipper just wants to scare you Yee it happend only once... but i got defeated only 5 times... its not a problem tbh... just breaking immersion but its fine... and u probably using AiPackage for Weapon Training so its not even ur fault xD but still... there are better ways... for example add Condition for AiPackage to work ONLY when NPC is close enough to Player when Distance is too great to whip overwrite Whip Package with Follow / Travel package and when distance is less then execute Whip package... :x... 27 minutes ago, Nymra said: is this a support request? if you read any description about mods I would like to have a papyrus.log file for the situation where that happens and I happily go bug hunting. I only support latest Nade version tho. I have papyrus logs disabled, and i simply ignored that and continued playing so log would be crazy long... i was just confused because i was not sure if i can go and everything will be fine or if i go i'm gonna break some quest stage and my game will start to CTD because Script trying to do something weird?... I don't like situations like this... something ends and im not sure if it ended Good or it broke... 28 minutes ago, Nymra said: SL Defeat has too many flaws for me and offers little else than playing sex animations. Naked Defeat tries to expand the experience alot (has SL Defeat whipping? Expressions? Furniture Bondage? Item related scenarios? Defeat on Hit chance? A good surrender function? No? Idk... there is button to Surrender... and tbh. im using it almost 24/7 xD cuz playing on Master and having 85% hp or below to defeat is like... im gonna be defeated anywaa... Defeat on Hit Chance?... yes... but its more like when DMG is high enough?... Whipping? Expressions? Furniture Bondage? Item related scenarios? No... SL Defeat do not have that :x... Whipping is something i can live without Expressions... ehh... can we disable them? xD... Furniture Bondage?... i want... i like... but can live without Item related scenarios?... what is that?... I'm not sure how safe is that... But im gonna install Naked Defeat again ;x... But... I don't know what u want from SL Defeat... its pure perfection simple and perfect mod I know it offers not much else than just rape after defeat... BUT !... With Simple Slavery You have chance to make SL Defeat more alive u can continue as slave after u got defeated... CAN YOU CONTINUE AS SLAVE IN NAKED DEFEAT ?... I DONT THINK SO !...
Nymra Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: No... I'm thinking about other Modders same as about myself xD #lol... When sm1 report me problem about my mod... nah... i no care fuck it ( but sometimes when i have some free time i do fix those problems ) But i was not expecting You to care about it... but i like u and respect ur mod thats why i said sorry basically I think a mod gets only better when users report bugs and I can fix them, because its impossible for me to playtest every possible scenario. sometimes getting what the problem is is hard, but I still try to solve them all. 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: Lastest version?... i hope... tbh. few days ago i redownloaded SexLab ( cuz OSex is kinda boring so i wanted change ) -> Naked Defeat 4-50 - Full (SE).7z ah ok, 4.52 is latest (50 FULL + 52 PATCH), I m also currently working quite activly on the mod. 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: Yee it happend only once... but i got defeated only 5 times... its not a problem tbh... just breaking immersion but its fine... sadly immersion is something very subjective and I am not even trying to catch everybodies view on that. But I want to make Naked Defeat as customizeable as possible at least (without overloading the MCM...) 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: and u probably using AiPackage for Weapon Training so its not even ur fault xD but still... there are better ways... for example add Condition for AiPackage to work ONLY when NPC is close enough to Player when Distance is too great to whip overwrite Whip Package with Follow / Travel package and when distance is less then execute Whip package... :x... I am honest, I have no idea about the AIpackages... I am happy that I got them where they are now, but I still do not fully understand how they work. This might be because i dont use the CK for modding and from my past experiences with it would rather keep it like that... but I think dialogues and ai packages will require some more digging from me into that: ( 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: I have papyrus logs disabled, and i simply ignored that and continued playing so log would be crazy long... i was just confused because i was not sure if i can go and everything will be fine or if i go i'm gonna break some quest stage and my game will start to CTD because Script trying to do something weird?... at least I had no situation where NADE caused a CTD yet. Mostly only NADE will stop working correctly, which will require a clean save reinstall. But I am hunting those situations especially and I think currently it should work as intended. Only thing is stackdumps... they can fuck everything, no chance 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: I don't like situations like this... something ends and im not sure if it ended Good or it broke... well... sums up my mod using experience since day 1 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: Idk... there is button to Surrender... yeah, but in that case defeat works different,... well, its pointless, it just does not do what I want biggest down for SL Defeat is it is not activly developped or expanded. 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: and tbh. im using it almost 24/7 xD cuz playing on Master and having 85% hp or below to defeat is like... im gonna be defeated anywaa... Defeat on Hit Chance?... yes... but its more like when DMG is high enough?... I hate to configure stuff like that, especially since I play on a high damage game setup and want to avoid beeing hit in the first place. So a "crit chance" is better than some dmg amount. 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: Whipping? Expressions? Furniture Bondage? Item related scenarios? No... SL Defeat do not have that :x... Whipping is something i can live without Expressions... ehh... can we disable them? xD... Furniture Bondage?... i want... i like... but can live without Item related scenarios?... what is that?... well, I never wanted to "beat" SL Defeat, I just wanted to make a mod that tries to use as many LL ressources as possible because so many of them go unnoticed and are seen rarely only. 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: I'm not sure how safe is that... But im gonna install Naked Defeat again ;x... hahaha, good luck and really, when you have feedback or bugs, just drop a post in the support section. Some things I cannot figure out without a log tho, I made the tracing for that regard and will notice you when I need that. Sometimes its enough to see the messages played in game or a screenshot. Dont forget to install the 4.52 patch 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: But... I don't know what u want from SL Defeat... its pure perfection simple and perfect mod I know it offers not much else than just rape after defeat... BUT !... honestly? I think its neither perfect nor simple, quite the opposite in fact. But I know why that is, the defeat scenario is such a complex and big thing and SL Defeat tries to cover at least alot of the classical stuff. I do not want to bash it either, it was just like: if SL Defeat would have been the only Defeat mod, I would have quit Skyrim mod using 3-4 years ago out of boredom (kinda lika you with OSA maybe ^^) 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: With Simple Slavery You have chance to make SL Defeat more alive u can continue as slave after u got defeated... Simple Slavery leads nowhere. Either the mods are one time fun only or they are DD heavy or require you to ask for some punishment all the time. I basically have no SS mod currently that I want to play. Hence I am working on making Naked Defeat a possible SS outcome (beeing sold to some bandits, raped, bound and then you can try to escape. basically a harder version of the base Nade scenario) 26 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: CAN YOU CONTINUE AS SLAVE IN NAKED DEFEAT ?... I DONT THINK SO !... you can be sold to SS, yes. That was easy but I am working on alot more than that!
blank_v Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Nymra said: I am honest, I have no idea about the AIpackages... I am happy that I got them where they are now, but I still do not fully understand how they work. This might be because i dont use the CK for modding and from my past experiences with it would rather keep it like that... but I think dialogues and ai packages will require some more digging from me into that: ( AiPackages is what is making everything in Skyrim... every scene in Quest is running with AiPackages... every action that NPC take in Skyrim is AiPackage... u rly don't work with them?... First we need to create Template... Templates are used by AiPackages and can make many many different events Here in this example u can see simple AiPackage that is doing both -> Follow target ( no need to be player ) Use weapon on target ( can be whip ) this will make sure that NPC will attack only when distance is less than 60 ( should be rly close to other actor ) Picture in spoiler: There is nothing to learn i think... everything is just using english names... u just make list of things u want NPC to do... "Follow" "Find" "UseMagic" "UseWeapon" "Sit" etc... for example u can use procedure "Find" and KeyWords for NPC to find some item then save item in variable and continue to next procedure ( it will auto continue to next when current task is done ) and then do other things... there are different types of branches and tons of ready to use procedures :x... if u want something more complex u can use Scene... I'm rly suprised that u don't use AiPackages... Spoiler
Nymra Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, ̖̪. said: AiPackages is what is making everything in Skyrim... every scene in Quest is running with AiPackages... every action that NPC take in Skyrim is AiPackage... u rly don't work with them?... First we need to create Template... Templates are used by AiPackages and can make many many different events Here in this example u can see simple AiPackage that is doing both -> Follow target ( no need to be player ) Use weapon on target ( can be whip ) this will make sure that NPC will attack only when distance is less than 60 ( should be rly close to other actor ) Picture in spoiler: There is nothing to learn i think... everything is just using english names... u just make list of things u want NPC to do... "Follow" "Find" "UseMagic" "UseWeapon" "Sit" etc... for example u can use procedure "Find" and KeyWords for NPC to find some item then save item in variable and continue to next procedure ( it will auto continue to next when current task is done ) and then do other things... there are different types of branches and tons of ready to use procedures :x... if u want something more complex u can use Scene... I'm rly suprised that u don't use AiPackages... Hide contents I have both scenes and packages in Naked Defeat ofc. But I only edit them with TESVedit, not with the CK. So I dont see the window you posted here The CK fucked my ESP and scripts before (edited stuff that it should not, even emptied a script.psc and compiled it , destroying a days work, so before I work with CK again I want to be sure I have everything backed up. Also I hate working with NPC and only do it because ppl want it. I am happily playing skyrim without followers for example. But some time in the future I will have to face the AI stuff full on. Right now I basically "stitched" it together with existing ai packages "butchered" down to what I need. But whipping is always problematic. No mod has an ideal solution for it. at least I did not see any whipping that was fundamentally different from the other.
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