Nexus Graveyard

[Myst42]

Ok Im officially scared now...

 

I was working on an animation replacement project from Oblivion. Most of the animations made by me, and as Im about to release, I wanted to check everything before posting on Nexus.

 

Like I said, most of is is my original work, but a part of it was taken, reverse-engineered, modified, tweaked and used as spare parts for my project, from DMS Stylish mod. Specifically I remade an idle, use the walking and running animations to build my own on top of the lower body leg movement and Im using the specialanims.esp file to provide the experience of having some animations act differently in player and NPC characters.

 

Even though the Idle part I made for every weapon was harder and way more complex, and its also, my original work, there are 40 animations in total that use the lower body movement as basic structure. Actually the truth is Im using 8 animations from that mod, which multiplied by the number of available weapons gives a total of 40 animations.

 

Tried with no hope, to contact the author. I say with no hope cause the mod has been dead for years it seems, though its still popular and downloaded, but dead in the sense no one cares to upgrade. Bad sign #1. In the "permissions" button it says "ask the author for modification or use of assets"

Another bad sigh was that typical phrase... "Im no good at English so I cant provide support" Bad sign #2

Modding is full of Chinese and Japanese modders who seem to live in a different planet... they are unreachable, have rare modding pages which are commonly dead, and that is if you even manage to get to one of their pages... Its almost like there is a magic portal to the world of Japan internet that cant be crossed by western people unless the stars align or something like it.

Like I predicted, Im getting no response

 

So I wanted to go for the next best thing. Very often Ive seen mods that use some other mod's assets and in the description say "If the author of said assets want me to remove his files from this mod I will do so right away"

But it still looked like a dangerous option so I started checking If there are any similar questions on Nexus forums, or maybe a standard procedure to do in such cases when the author provides no response.

 

And I stumbled onto this place: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/forum/188-forum-rules-and-strikes/?prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all AKA: The Nexus "Field of Bones"

 

So thats why Im officially scared now

After the pinned threads...

There lie the rotting corpses of banned users.

A field of corpses that goes farther than the eye can reach...

At the moment, 758 pages of dead rotting corpses...

I didnt truly believe until I saw the fields with my own eyes...

I bet you can even find famous former celebrities or ones who were reborn on LL among the dead

Its kind of grim dont you think?

 

Anyway I know some probably have seen this, I knew before, of the banning fame the Nexus has, but Ive never seen it with my own eyes until now...

Just wanted to share a story

And also If anybody knows how to work around my permission issue please comment.

[leddis3]

Usually sites tend to post ban lists to show off the trolls they've hadf to deal with.

I don't think I've ever seen another site that puts up every single person they've ever banned for whatever reason.

But if the goal is intimidation I.. guess they've succeeded?

[Schmendrick]

There is a way to work around your permission problem: Post your mod here, not in nexus. Those guys would ban you for less than a permission issue, and even if LL does not has all the glamour of nexus, it is a growing (and quite large) community to share your work.

[geonosis]

There is a way to work around your permission problem: Post your mod here, not in nexus. Those guys would ban you for less than a permission issue, and even if LL does not has all the glamour of nexus, it is a growing (and quite large) community to share your work.

 

Wrong and a Sad ..... next time you tell ppl on nexus to use assets from LL modder ? this site always respected the decision of modder to share or not to share their works .

 

back to topic

 

the only workaround i know that work on nexus is when the original author is offline more than 6 months without the denial of use in anyway

if you need premission you have to do the the desription thing with the typical "If the author of said assets want me to remove his files from this mod"

but that dont work for you because he added a new friend only 4 days ago so you have to try to contact him.

 

i dont know anyotherway

 

maybe someone else

 

hope that helps

[Schmendrick]

Wrong and a Sad ..... next time you tell ppl on nexus to use assets from LL modder ? this site always respected the decision of modder to share or not to share their works .

 

I'm sorry, I was not trying to say that authorship should not be respected in LL, or in any other site. I was just saying that there can be more tolerance here than in nexus to problems like elalquimista's: he has been trying to contact an author without success, and he is willing to remove the file if such author asks for it.

[gregathit]

You are more than welcome to post the mod here.  Just put the disclaimer that you tried contacting the mod author and they have not responded.  As long as they don't have something saying they strictly prohibit changes or hosting elsewhere, it is fine.  If they do show up and ask you to remove their files then please do so.

 

I would be VERY wary of doing the same thing over at the Nexus.  Their stance is to ban you first and "maybe" think about hearing your reasoning later.....a very SLIM maybe.  We are much more relaxed here, especially with very old mods that the authors are MIA and didn't forbid redistribution.

 

Your only real recourse if you are determined to post at the Nexus is to see if you can find anything in the documentation that allows free use or at least doesn't forbid it, then PM one of the Moderators and run it by them explaining what you want to do (and have done with regards to attempting to obtain permission to use some assets) prior to posting the mod.  If they give you their blessing then proceed, if they don't respond then back off.

[Duoleb The Chosen]

i think its time to upload the now dead Cass Barks mod here on LL

 

far as i remember the guy who made this mod was banned or nexus deleted his mod

[Myst42]

I was planning on release here anyway as theres much less trouble here. Nowhere in the page says "Dont use my assets!" And Im under the impression It has been done before in other mods where Ive seen animations from that mod in other things, so I figured its not ... Proper credits given of course.

 

Juts wanted to have it in both sites because I really like LL, but I like their mod posting system better, is more easy to access and see whats new. In my humble opinion LL is more like a forum, while Nexus is more like a market.

 

Will try what Greg suggests

Just not sure of what moderator to contact... should be someone related to Oblivion stuff, and hopefully someone nice. If that doesnt work, Only the part thats original will be posted there and the rest placed here, so the only full version would be here...

 

But ill try my best to not end up in that graveyard, so Im not taking any more risks than absolutely necessary

[RitualClarity]

I was planning on release here anyway as theres much less trouble here. Nowhere in the page says "Dont use my assets!" And Im under the impression It has been done before in other mods where Ive seen animations from that mod in other things, so I figured its not ... Proper credits given of course.

 

Juts wanted to have it in both sites because I really like LL, but I like their mod posting system better, is more easy to access and see whats new. In my humble opinion LL is more like a forum, while Nexus is more like a market.

 

Will try what Greg suggests

Just not sure of what moderator to contact... should be someone related to Oblivion stuff, and hopefully someone nice. If that doesnt work, Only the part thats original will be posted there and the rest placed here, so the only full version would be here...

 

But ill try my best to not end up in that graveyard, so Im not taking any more risks than absolutely necessary

 

If you are unsure.. Contact none other than theDarkOne. He is the main person. If he doesn't respond at least you tried. Then move to one of the major moderators on the site that you see working quite often in the areas that you want to post the mod.

 

The actions taken on Nexus would be similar to LL. I would contact Ashal then the moderator most active in that area like Gregahit with the oblivion forum. If either of those were available I would then contact any moderator and see what they said. If I felt confident in what they stated I would continue. If not I would stop.

 

If it is impossible to post with the contents of the mod authors work. Maybe depending on the work involved slowly remove his/her work and replace it with comparable personally created work? Then you wouldn't have any of their work anymore. You could post it here first perhaps even getting others to help customize and improve it with you in the process. In the end you would then have a product that is safe even from Nexus moderators. I will admit that I don't know the first thing on how much work that would entail.

[Cezul]

Lawdie, all dose bans, TVD is on a crusade yo.

 

And i find the most common bans are inappropriate names, piracy, and previously banned users going incogneetus.

 

  Also, Trainwiz got the banhammer

[Myst42]

If it is impossible to post with the contents of the mod authors work. Maybe depending on the work involved slowly remove his/her work and replace it with comparable personally created work? Then you wouldn't have any of their work anymore. You could post it here first perhaps even getting others to help customize and improve it with you in the process. In the end you would then have a product that is safe even from Nexus moderators. I will admit that I don't know the first thing on how much work that would entail.

 

Ill consider that... after all, most of it IS my original work, is only the lower body movement from that mod what Im using to build over my own work in only running and walking animations. I took for example "running forward!, deleted all frames from upper body and pasted my own "Idle" animation, then tweaked a few things and that was it. Made 5 animations from 1. To do it all by myself Iwd have to create the 8 bases, which given what I know now, Im perfectly capable of. I just dont have enough time or will to do it. But maybe someday

 

Back on the graveyard thing. Is it me or they are monitoring PM system too?

I saw some bans based on user messaging, some that "provided a link to a pirate site" which, of course according to rules is wrong, but it was still done through PM. And I thought PM system was surveillance-free

 

Foolish me...

[lordofthedread]

If someone send you something you dont want to receive via PM I assume that you can report, that does not mean they monitor PM.

[Rayblue]

True enough. Some brilliant mod authors are from over the pond that they're near impossible to communicate with, like they're in a different planet (and I think because of the language difficulties they didn't have a proper grasp of Nex messaging -- dunno why the fuck Nex left out the need to add alternate languages as their site has gone global). Friend had retextured anano's school uniforms but don't want to upload them to Nex because of that communication barrier and the chilling effect that Nex had just imposed.

[gregathit]

Back on the graveyard thing. Is it me or they are monitoring PM system too?

I saw some bans based on user messaging, some that "provided a link to a pirate site" which, of course according to rules is wrong, but it was still done through PM. And I thought PM system was surveillance-free

 

Foolish me...

 

 

It would not surprise me in the least if they did monitor PM's over there.  They are just "out there" enough to think that is fine.

 

Better to assume that Big Brother Nexus is watching you at all times when you are on their site.  It will keep you from getting your account banned and having to go through a proxy.

[varenne]

One other location I'd suggest is Hongfire, abiding by all know credits to the original MOD authors of course. And like much LL there are still active Oblivion users there to gain you additional exposure.

 

Downside is if the original MOD authors do contact you it means pulling their content from yet another site.

 

ONLY thing I use Nexus for is downloading MODs for personal use. I don't post in the forums anymore, not with such a high risk of being banned and loosing access. (Their aberrant behavior is a kind of shooting themselves in the foot, or cutting off their nose to spite their face.)

 

And I'd never ever consider uploading any MOD I authored there. Not when I have both LL and Hongfire, which IMO is comprised of better members and forum moderators.

[mnbvcxz]

The obvious solution is simply to never comment or upload to the Nexus, in doing so, you'll never be banned, Unfortunately with the recent decline of file-hosting websites, removing content or imposing restrictions. The Nexus has become a necessary evil in preserving the continuty of the Elder Scrolls modding community.

[lordofthedread]

I laughed at necessary evil, loads of mods are uploaded on nexus sites daily, loads of sex mods are even hosted there (some good ones also like CLS for Oblivion), as long as you respect the rules by not using mods assets without permission there is no reason you will get banned.

 

I am the first to agree that their ban policy is way over the top but I find that saying Nexus is evil is way over the top also. especially when you have the hypocrisy of downloading mods from there.

[RitualClarity]

I laughed at necessary evil, loads of mods are uploaded on nexus sites daily, loads of sex mods are even hosted there (some good ones also like CLS for Oblivion), as long as you respect the rules by not using mods assets without permission there is no reason you will get banned.

 

I am the first to agree that their ban policy is way over the top but I find that saying Nexus is evil is way over the top also. especially when you have the hypocrisy of downloading mods from there.

 

I agree to a point...

 

Except they don' t seem to actually have a "policy". Well actually maybe they do however it isn't transparent to the members and users of the site. They appear to ban some individuals and not others for the very same or similar infractions. That is the only mod site that I have seen that does this. Sites like LL have a "policy" and they are clear and hold their members to that "policy". If you violate a rule you will get the same treatment as others that have committed similar transgressions. 

 

This is bad for site morale as well as a very bad business practice. It is never good to treat anybody in any way unfairly. There are individuals here that have been banned since I became a member. It is necessary aspect of Forums to remove individuals that violate the polices and procedures of a particular site. Here however I am sure that most individuals that are aware of those that have been banned can agree that the site acted in a proper and fair way according to the rules set forward by this site.

 

This isn't the case with the Nexus sites. They "appear" to be using different measures to judge individuals. This is the problem and the reason I believe that people are making many of the negative comments. Until they start to present themselves as moderating in a more fair and equitable way they will continue to receive the negative responses that they get here and at other sites.

[Myst42]

Seconded. With this mod permission thing for example. I got them to tell me. "No authorization from user: banned account, no exceptions"

But Ive seen lots of mods that use or modify content from "dead" modders, explicitly saying so with the disclaimer "If the author wants me to remove blah blah blah..."

Some say those mods only exist because no one reports  them. But the rules say its an ensured ban.

 

And about the report thing. Apparently Nexus is absolutely full of whistlers, theres not only the site, but appears to be legions of people eager to report everything. Why? Who knows... the answer doesnt come to me, why would so many people work as spy, or whistler and what do they get out of it? Money? Account privileges? The thrill of feeling important when someone gets banned?

The most likely one is the last one, and in that case... what a fucking bunch of assholes.

"Oh you posted a picture of a clothing mod with ripped content from another game, thats illegal and even if Im the average user with no personal or monetary interests in the other game's company Im still going to accuse you with my mommy!"

 

Dont know If im wrong, but thats what it appears to me...

[gregathit]

Unfortunately you are correct.  The Nexus is plagued with a buch of whiny whistle blowers.  I don't know if they are thinking they will get some kind of brownie points (they won't) or if they just do it because they can and it makes them feel empowered.  Either way they are just being jackasses.

[lordofthedread]

 

I laughed at necessary evil, loads of mods are uploaded on nexus sites daily, loads of sex mods are even hosted there (some good ones also like CLS for Oblivion), as long as you respect the rules by not using mods assets without permission there is no reason you will get banned.

 

I am the first to agree that their ban policy is way over the top but I find that saying Nexus is evil is way over the top also. especially when you have the hypocrisy of downloading mods from there.

 

I agree to a point...

 

Except they don' t seem to actually have a "policy". Well actually maybe they do however it isn't transparent to the members and users of the site. They appear to ban some individuals and not others for the very same or similar infractions. That is the only mod site that I have seen that does this. Sites like LL have a "policy" and they are clear and hold their members to that "policy". If you violate a rule you will get the same treatment as others that have committed similar transgressions. 

 

This is bad for site morale as well as a very bad business practice. It is never good to treat anybody in any way unfairly. There are individuals here that have been banned since I became a member. It is necessary aspect of Forums to remove individuals that violate the polices and procedures of a particular site. Here however I am sure that most individuals that are aware of those that have been banned can agree that the site acted in a proper and fair way according to the rules set forward by this site.

 

This isn't the case with the Nexus sites. They "appear" to be using different measures to judge individuals. This is the problem and the reason I believe that people are making many of the negative comments. Until they start to present themselves as moderating in a more fair and equitable way they will continue to receive the negative responses that they get here and at other sites.

 

 

You just cant compare LL with Nexus in matter of user pool, it is not that they dont have a policy but more that they dont give a shit / dont have the ressources to moderate properly / dont want to put time and money into ressources to moderate properly, lets face it moderating a website with the size of Nexus takes people, time and money (I will never work as a moderator for free on a website this big even if you offer me crap like premium membership or any goodies the site owner can offer).

 

Again it is bad for a site morale indeed but given their positions, aka being the only website hosting that many mods for that many games, they are in a superiority position where they can act like assholes without really loosing "customers", lets be realistic here, this is not a business and even if TheDarkOne makes money out of it (I'd like to have real numbers here because it is pointless to speak about that without numbers) he totally desserves it (you could ask Ashal how much time he spends managing LL and I really hope he also gets some money out of it).

 

Thus said I personally think most of the time if they receive a report they dont even look at if the report is legit and they ban straight away, maybe not in all the cases but in many many cases.

 

Until the day where people will attack them upfront saying that their moderator team is as shitty one or the day they will get a real alternative in front of them in matter of mods hosting I dont see them changing their ban policy (or non policy) and I dont expect anyone to be up for the task because if you look at the statistics of the Nexus (http://nexusmods.com/ I dont know how accurate it is) this is pretty impressive and it will take not only time but a lot of money just to host the files and get a solid enough structure to deliver them.

 

As a final word I am not a Nexus fanboy but I respect the work that has been done and I am aware of the technical issues encountered, that said I totally piss on their shitty moderators and there is no good excuses for them to act like assholes.

[Emily]

From emily perception, the moderators are negative towards Nexus admin. Some people exude negativity. They don’t like their jobs or they don’t like their company. Their bosses are always jerks and they are always treated unfairly. The company is always going down the tube and customers are worthless.

[Endiness]

You just cant compare LL with Nexus in matter of user pool, it is not that they dont have a policy but more that they dont give a shit / dont have the ressources to moderate properly / dont want to put time and money into ressources to moderate properly, lets face it moderating a website with the size of Nexus takes people, time and money.

 

Yes, Nexus relies way to much on volunteer work. You get what you pay for. Since I don't truly know the site owner's financial situation, I'll just leave it at that.

 

[RitualClarity]

 

You just cant compare LL with Nexus in matter of user pool, it is not that they dont have a policy but more that they dont give a shit / dont have the ressources to moderate properly / dont want to put time and money into ressources to moderate properly, lets face it moderating a website with the size of Nexus takes people, time and money (I will never work as a moderator for free on a website this big even if you offer me crap like premium membership or any goodies the site owner can offer).

 

Again it is bad for a site morale indeed but given their positions, aka being the only website hosting that many mods for that many games, they are in a superiority position where they can act like assholes without really loosing "customers", lets be realistic here, this is not a business and even if TheDarkOne makes money out of it (I'd like to have real numbers here because it is pointless to speak about that without numbers) he totally desserves it (you could ask Ashal how much time he spends managing LL and I really hope he also gets some money out of it).

 

Thus said I personally think most of the time if they receive a report they dont even look at if the report is legit and they ban straight away, maybe not in all the cases but in many many cases.

 

Until the day where people will attack them upfront saying that their moderator team is as shitty one or the day they will get a real alternative in front of them in matter of mods hosting I dont see them changing their ban policy (or non policy) and I dont expect anyone to be up for the task because if you look at the statistics of the Nexus (http://nexusmods.com/ I dont know how accurate it is) this is pretty impressive and it will take not only time but a lot of money just to host the files and get a solid enough structure to deliver them.

 

As a final word I am not a Nexus fanboy but I respect the work that has been done and I am aware of the technical issues encountered, that said I totally piss on their shitty moderators and there is no good excuses for them to act like assholes.

 

 

I agree. If you are curious on the money that DarkOne makes read his own post on the status of the Nexus. Custer servers aren't cheap. Software is also not cheap. The sheer hardware and network connections both paid and not cost lots of money. Someone in the field can tell some of the money he is making. That and he lives in England. Most likely a major town if not London or a close suburb. The full time status needed to run such a site even with help... You can start to understand the funds that are coming in. Check the "premium" users from regular users and the cost... More info.

 

I believe it is safe to say he is making enough of a living off the site that he can work full time on it without worries of paying his bills. He can also upgrade the systems to newer and better ones like he has since 2007/2008 when I joined. Since the beginning he has made many upgrades to the system. Now he is going to upgrade even more to accommodate the users of his site.

 

I agree also on the site and competition. I don't see it happening. It will take a lot of effort and time to build up an alternative to the Nexus. Money not necessarily but time yes. (If you follow his business model and growth you to can build a site similar to his with little investments however it will take many, many years)

 

I unlike others here are a fan of the Nexus..well of sorts that is....  there I said it. I like having many mods to choose from. Some good, many bad. but all available. The dark one doesn't require a special membership to download the mods just a simple registration. I go and get what I want. I explore the various forums and links from file of the month etc. to other sources. Find a few new mods, fire it up and test them out. Many times disappointed but that isn't the fault of the Nexus that was the fault of the mod creator from faulty descriptions of their mods. Most major review sites link to the nexus for the mods that they have reviewed. Nice and convenient. There isn't much of a size restriction the likes you have on other sites. 1 gig files no problem. No need to go to Rapid share etc. We all know the problems related to having to rely on alternative downloading services.

 

The few times I have had to interact with Buddha or DarkOne was pleasant and respectful. I haven't had the need to interact with others yet. I rarely make any comments on their site or to their moderators. It has been years since that last conversation. 

 

In fact before I joined this community I blissfully went about my business without any awareness of what was happening or the issues that were occurring. It is a real shame that they are slowly degrading their site and they can't even realize it or perhaps they do and don't care. In ether case the results are the same. Their community is being damaged by these acts far more so than the acts of a few trolls could ever do.