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I finally bit the bullet and made the jump from LE to SE and found that, for the most part, things have made the jump quite nicely. I've found equivalents or upgrades to all my previous mods save for a few (RIP untamed, individualized shout cooldowns, and hidden hemlets) but there's a major bug that I keep running into that I can't seem to solve: NPC's loading in with a shiny gold or purple hair and a blacked out face.


This first came up after using the high poly head and the facegen data mod. Or so I thought. I have since removed -every- npc overhaul mod, leaving only ones that simply add more npcs (Bandits in skyrim, immersive patrols). The only things remaining are skins and textures and.... it's still happening. Happens to men and women, to unique npcs and randomly generated ones.


Below is my complete load order list.

Now, people give me two fixes. Set the npc weight to 35. This doesn't work, returns an invalid command error whenever I run it. The other is to grab the NPC ID, load the creation studio, reload the facegen data for the NPC, save the changes to a plugin file, and load that into my load order. For every. Single. Fucking. One. No? There has GOT to be a better way, there has to be something that is triggering this to occur. I will go back to playing LE before I spend hours cycling through every one of the dozens of NPCs in the creation studio just to reload facegen data that should already be there in the first place. Its absolutely obnoxious. I can sort of understand when I add the high poly head and facegen data mods to the mix, that makes sense. But when I drop back to hair and skin texture replaces, SOS, and XPME and I'm still having the problem with worrying frequency, it strikes me as odd to the point of inexcusable.

Is this something that skyrim just -does- now? Or can anyone provide suggestions based on my LO below? Any help is appreciated, I'm pulling my hair out here.
 



  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     RSkyrimChildren.esm
  6  6     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  7  7     Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
  8  8     RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
  9  9     Campfire.esm
 10  a     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 11  b     CreatureFramework.esm
 12  c     OSA.esm
 13  d     SexLab.esm
 14  e     SexLabAroused.esm
 15  f     FISS.esp
254 FE   0 hdtHighHeel.esm
 16 10     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 17 11     daymoyl.esm
 18 12     SkyUI_SE.esp
 19 13     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 20 14     Better Dynamic Snow SE.esp
 21 15     Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
 22 16     ELFX - Weathers.esp
 23 17     TrueStormsSE.esp
 24 18     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 25 19     Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
 26 1a     Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
 27 1b     fallentreebridgesSSE.esp
 28 1c     S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
 29 1d     ELFX - Exteriors.esp
 30 1e     DepthsOfSkyrim.esp
 31 1f     Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
 32 20     ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp
254 FE   1 ELFX Fixes.esp
 33 21     Book Covers Skyrim.esp
 34 22     Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
 35 23     MoreNastyCritters.esp
 36 24     Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
254 FE   2 Moonlight Tales Female Patch.esp
 37 25     Unique Flowers & Plants.esp
 38 26     OBIS SE.esp
 39 27     Hunterborn.esp
 40 28     RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
 41 29     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 42 2a     Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 43 2b     Immersive Weapons.esp
 44 2c     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
 45 2d     Immersive Music.esp
 46 2e     UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
 47 2f     Bijin Warmaidens.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced
 48 30     Bijin NPCs.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced
 49 31     Bijin Wives.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced
 50 32     Runandwalkpaces.esp
 51 33     ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Somber_WaterFix.esp
 52 34     ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Somber.esp
 53 35     VWA_VanillaWarpaintsAbsolution.esp
 54 36     Cloaks&Capes SMP.esp
 55 37     OCum.esp
 56 38     TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 57 39     Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
 58 3a     Elemental Eyes.esp
 59 3b     S3DRocks.esp
 60 3c     RSChildren.esp
 61 3d     StormLightning.esp
 62 3e     ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
 63 3f     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 64 40     20 More Perk Points.esp
 65 41     UIExtensions.esp
 66 42     AddItemMenuSE.esp
 67 43     Footprints.esp
 68 44     ISC WACCF Patch.esp
           Hunterborn_RealisticNeeds_Patch_GH56.esp
 69 45     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 70 46     Frostfall.esp
 71 47     RealisticNeedsandDiseases_Frostfall Patch.esp
254 FE   3 Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
254 FE   4 SIC HB patch.esp
254 FE   5 OBIS WACCF Patch.esp
254 FE   6 SIC WACCF Patch.esp
 72 48     ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp
 73 49     EBT - IC PATCH.esp
254 FE   7 Project Proteus - Moonlight Tales Patch.esp
 74 4a     ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
254 FE   8 ISC Immersive Armors Patch.esp
254 FE   9 SIC - Immersive Sound Integration.esp
 75 4b     Nexus Loading Screens Reborn.esp
254 FE   a TESL-LoadingScreens.esp
 76 4c     Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
 77 4d     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 78 4e     DHuntress.esp
 79 4f     FlameAtronachArmor.esp
 80 50     FullBootForKKSA.esp
 81 51     KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp
 82 52     KKSDrBWeightFix.esp
 83 53     VtawWardrobe5.esp
254 FE   b Vanilla Hair Replacer - VHR.esp
 84 54     Crimson Blood Armor.esp
 85 55     zzArmormashups.esp
 86 56     AnotherVampireLeatherArmor.esp
 87 57     BDIC.esp
254 FE   c Project Proteus - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
 88 58     SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
 89 59     Project Proteus.esp
 90 5a     KKFur.esp
 91 5b     Sneak Tools.esp
254 FE   d fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp
 92 5c     DX Necromancer Robes.esp
 93 5d     DeadlyDragons.esp
 94 5e     Fixed body collision.esp
 95 5f     HentaiCreatures.esp
 96 60     iHUD.esp
 97 61     LustmordVampireArmor.esp
 98 62     Werewolves.esp
 99 63     MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
254 FE   e OStim.esp
254 FE   f OStrap.esp
254 FE  10 OSearch.esp
100 64     Ranger Outfit.esp
101 65     SLAnimLoader.esp
102 66     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
103 67     TKDodge.esp
104 68     EFFStandCosMenu.esp
105 69     AMatterOfTime.esp
106 6a     CBBE.esp
107 6b     FNIS.esp
108 6c     FNIS_PCEA2.esp
109 6d     FNISspells.esp
110 6e     FNISSexyMove.esp
111 6f     Beards.esp
112 70     Brows.esp
254 FE  11 KSHairdosSMP.esp
113 71     KS Jewelry.esp
114 72     SexLabTools.esp
115 73     RaceMenuHH.esp
116 74     RaceMenu.esp
117 75     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
118 76     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
119 77     ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
120 78     SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
121 79     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
122 7a     SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
123 7b     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
124 7c     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
125 7d     SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp
126 7e     RaceMenuMorphsTRX.esp
127 7f     SOSRaceMenu.esp
128 80     XPMSE.esp
254 FE  12 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
129 81     Aetherius.esp
130 82     Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
254 FE  13 SIC CCOR Patch.esp
254 FE  14 BookCoversSkyrim_CCOR_Patch.esp
254 FE  15 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
254 FE  16 CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp
254 FE  17 Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
131 83     Immersive Jewelry.esp
254 FE  18 Immersive Jewelry_CCOR_Patch.esp
132 84     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
254 FE  19 CCOR_Ordinator.esp
133 85     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
254 FE  1a Project Proteus - Apocalypse Patch.esp
134 86     Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
135 87     Better Vampires.esp
254 FE  1b Project Proteus - Better Vampires Patch.esp
136 88     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
137 89     Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
138 8a     Convenient Horses.esp
139 8b     Landscape For Grass Mods -Immersive Citizens PATCH.esp
140 8c     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
141 8d     ELFX - Hardcore.esp
142 8e     LiveAnotherLife - ELFX Hardcore.esp
143 8f     Immersive Citizens - ELFXHardcore patch.esp
144 90     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE  1c ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
254 FE  1d RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp
145 91     WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
           Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Posted

 Nope, its not somthing that "just happens". It means your build is off.

Well, sometimes mods, including well loverd and popular ones, make records for NPC they have no need touching, causing visual glitches, usually infamous grey face.

And in those cases - yeah, its often easier to just export head from CK. When the problem is global - you need to solve the source issue. Grey face indeed is usually related to NPC weight. Purple hair means that no texture is present for hair mesh. Golden hair is something completely new, dont know that one. So id wager something went horribly wrong with a hair mod. Of wich you seem to run very little, and since KS hairdos SMP is PC exclusive, unless you yourself give it to npc, it leaves vanilla hair replacer?

 Never used it. TBH changing vanilla stuff is normally a bad idea, since who knows where can it be used as a resource. Possible troubles are limitless.

In short - id bet on that one being the troublemaker. try disabling it, see if it helps.

 Beyond that - never used high poly head, so its hard for me to guess what could cause issues with it.

 

Posted

how are you setting npc weight? it *should be

 

setnpcweight  N, where N is the desired weight.

 

Often times it comes down to a load order issue. I have the problem with the children. They're all suffering from black face. And even when I do a setnpcweight, It reverts next time I load the game and load a current save (made after setting their weights) ... (afaik, set commands are session only, unlike for instance, mod commands ex: player.modav carryweight N), which afaik cause persistent change (after making a new save). I've basically given up on the black face issue, and I try not to interact with them anyway. Adopted several children in my first play through and no offense to the clever emotional string pulls, but I got tired of it. They're just a lean on tie and effort with no give back or character development. 

 

If it is a load order issue, rather than a mod which has issues (afaik one reason people say to set their weight), to solve the load order issues for your mods, you'll need to dig up info from their mod pages and support info...

 

if it is a glitchy mod with "wrong values, you'll have to edit it using SSEdit or CK to place the values correctly. I don't know how to do that, nor am I interested, as I have my own problems I'm focusing on (golden skin and lobster hands are my two #1 nemeses).

 

I've seen the odd hair color issue before. Not exactly sure why. It definitely happens to one of my vectors where I've donned the body of another character and equip a particular piece of gear. The NPC (a follower actually) is a brunette, my player is a dirty blonde (no, not the pic you see for my LL avatar).  when she adds a specific piece of jewelry, her hair change from brunette to strawberry blonde (it's actually kinda pretty). Anyway, suddenly it'll go back to brunette out of the blue (or not!) when I equip a weapon or change some piece of armor, or even when I change cells. Weird...I'd actually like it to stick to the strawberry blonde but meh, it won't.

 

 

Posted

@nilead I should clarify, its not global in the sense that it impacts everyone. I was more trying to illustrate that there does not seem to be a common thread between the NPCs that it -does- impact.

You, are a life saver. You were -EXACTLY- right. The hair mod is it. So I guess the common thread was 'has vanilla hair' + 'bad dice roll'.
Just out of curiosity I even went and installed all of the other npc overhaul mods I had been using. Bijin, High Poly NPC Overhaul, etc. And I'm not seeing the bug. Fascinating that a simple hair mod broke the game in such spectacular fashion. I may run into it later but for the moment Riverrun and Whiterun are squeaky clean, as is the bandit group outside the Alternate start campsite. If I have to learn the creators kit to fix a few along the way that's alright but the majority of the issue seems resolved.

Thanks a million!

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