IvanVancheskov Posted December 22, 2021 Posted December 22, 2021 I finally bit the bullet and made the jump from LE to SE and found that, for the most part, things have made the jump quite nicely. I've found equivalents or upgrades to all my previous mods save for a few (RIP untamed, individualized shout cooldowns, and hidden hemlets) but there's a major bug that I keep running into that I can't seem to solve: NPC's loading in with a shiny gold or purple hair and a blacked out face. This first came up after using the high poly head and the facegen data mod. Or so I thought. I have since removed -every- npc overhaul mod, leaving only ones that simply add more npcs (Bandits in skyrim, immersive patrols). The only things remaining are skins and textures and.... it's still happening. Happens to men and women, to unique npcs and randomly generated ones. Below is my complete load order list. Now, people give me two fixes. Set the npc weight to 35. This doesn't work, returns an invalid command error whenever I run it. The other is to grab the NPC ID, load the creation studio, reload the facegen data for the NPC, save the changes to a plugin file, and load that into my load order. For every. Single. Fucking. One. No? There has GOT to be a better way, there has to be something that is triggering this to occur. I will go back to playing LE before I spend hours cycling through every one of the dozens of NPCs in the creation studio just to reload facegen data that should already be there in the first place. Its absolutely obnoxious. I can sort of understand when I add the high poly head and facegen data mods to the mix, that makes sense. But when I drop back to hair and skin texture replaces, SOS, and XPME and I'm still having the problem with worrying frequency, it strikes me as odd to the point of inexcusable. Is this something that skyrim just -does- now? Or can anyone provide suggestions based on my LO below? Any help is appreciated, I'm pulling my hair out here. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 RSkyrimChildren.esm 6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 7 7 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 8 8 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm 9 9 Campfire.esm 10 a ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 11 b CreatureFramework.esm 12 c OSA.esm 13 d SexLab.esm 14 e SexLabAroused.esm 15 f FISS.esp 254 FE 0 hdtHighHeel.esm 16 10 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 17 11 daymoyl.esm 18 12 SkyUI_SE.esp 19 13 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp 20 14 Better Dynamic Snow SE.esp 21 15 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 22 16 ELFX - Weathers.esp 23 17 TrueStormsSE.esp 24 18 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 25 19 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 26 1a Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp 27 1b fallentreebridgesSSE.esp 28 1c S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp 29 1d ELFX - Exteriors.esp 30 1e DepthsOfSkyrim.esp 31 1f Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp 32 20 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp 254 FE 1 ELFX Fixes.esp 33 21 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 34 22 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp 35 23 MoreNastyCritters.esp 36 24 Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp 254 FE 2 Moonlight Tales Female Patch.esp 37 25 Unique Flowers & Plants.esp 38 26 OBIS SE.esp 39 27 Hunterborn.esp 40 28 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 41 29 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 42 2a Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 43 2b Immersive Weapons.esp 44 2c Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 45 2d Immersive Music.esp 46 2e UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp 47 2f Bijin Warmaidens.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced 48 30 Bijin NPCs.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced 49 31 Bijin Wives.esp - REMOVED, issue still reproduced 50 32 Runandwalkpaces.esp 51 33 ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Somber_WaterFix.esp 52 34 ELFXWeathers_TS_Patch_Somber.esp 53 35 VWA_VanillaWarpaintsAbsolution.esp 54 36 Cloaks&Capes SMP.esp 55 37 OCum.esp 56 38 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 57 39 Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp 58 3a Elemental Eyes.esp 59 3b S3DRocks.esp 60 3c RSChildren.esp 61 3d StormLightning.esp 62 3e ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 63 3f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 64 40 20 More Perk Points.esp 65 41 UIExtensions.esp 66 42 AddItemMenuSE.esp 67 43 Footprints.esp 68 44 ISC WACCF Patch.esp Hunterborn_RealisticNeeds_Patch_GH56.esp 69 45 Immersive Patrols II.esp 70 46 Frostfall.esp 71 47 RealisticNeedsandDiseases_Frostfall Patch.esp 254 FE 3 Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp 254 FE 4 SIC HB patch.esp 254 FE 5 OBIS WACCF Patch.esp 254 FE 6 SIC WACCF Patch.esp 72 48 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp 73 49 EBT - IC PATCH.esp 254 FE 7 Project Proteus - Moonlight Tales Patch.esp 74 4a ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp 254 FE 8 ISC Immersive Armors Patch.esp 254 FE 9 SIC - Immersive Sound Integration.esp 75 4b Nexus Loading Screens Reborn.esp 254 FE a TESL-LoadingScreens.esp 76 4c Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp 77 4d Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 78 4e DHuntress.esp 79 4f FlameAtronachArmor.esp 80 50 FullBootForKKSA.esp 81 51 KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp 82 52 KKSDrBWeightFix.esp 83 53 VtawWardrobe5.esp 254 FE b Vanilla Hair Replacer - VHR.esp 84 54 Crimson Blood Armor.esp 85 55 zzArmormashups.esp 86 56 AnotherVampireLeatherArmor.esp 87 57 BDIC.esp 254 FE c Project Proteus - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp 88 58 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 89 59 Project Proteus.esp 90 5a KKFur.esp 91 5b Sneak Tools.esp 254 FE d fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp 92 5c DX Necromancer Robes.esp 93 5d DeadlyDragons.esp 94 5e Fixed body collision.esp 95 5f HentaiCreatures.esp 96 60 iHUD.esp 97 61 LustmordVampireArmor.esp 98 62 Werewolves.esp 99 63 MoonlightTalesMCM.esp 254 FE e OStim.esp 254 FE f OStrap.esp 254 FE 10 OSearch.esp 100 64 Ranger Outfit.esp 101 65 SLAnimLoader.esp 102 66 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 103 67 TKDodge.esp 104 68 EFFStandCosMenu.esp 105 69 AMatterOfTime.esp 106 6a CBBE.esp 107 6b FNIS.esp 108 6c FNIS_PCEA2.esp 109 6d FNISspells.esp 110 6e FNISSexyMove.esp 111 6f Beards.esp 112 70 Brows.esp 254 FE 11 KSHairdosSMP.esp 113 71 KS Jewelry.esp 114 72 SexLabTools.esp 115 73 RaceMenuHH.esp 116 74 RaceMenu.esp 117 75 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 118 76 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 119 77 ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp 120 78 SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp 121 79 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 122 7a SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 123 7b SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 124 7c Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 125 7d SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp 126 7e RaceMenuMorphsTRX.esp 127 7f SOSRaceMenu.esp 128 80 XPMSE.esp 254 FE 12 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp 129 81 Aetherius.esp 130 82 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp 254 FE 13 SIC CCOR Patch.esp 254 FE 14 BookCoversSkyrim_CCOR_Patch.esp 254 FE 15 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp 254 FE 16 CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp 254 FE 17 Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp 131 83 Immersive Jewelry.esp 254 FE 18 Immersive Jewelry_CCOR_Patch.esp 132 84 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 19 CCOR_Ordinator.esp 133 85 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 1a Project Proteus - Apocalypse Patch.esp 134 86 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 135 87 Better Vampires.esp 254 FE 1b Project Proteus - Better Vampires Patch.esp 136 88 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 137 89 Realistic AI Detection 2 SE - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp 138 8a Convenient Horses.esp 139 8b Landscape For Grass Mods -Immersive Citizens PATCH.esp 140 8c Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 141 8d ELFX - Hardcore.esp 142 8e LiveAnotherLife - ELFX Hardcore.esp 143 8f Immersive Citizens - ELFXHardcore patch.esp 144 90 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 254 FE 1c ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp 254 FE 1d RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp 145 91 WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp
nilead Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 Nope, its not somthing that "just happens". It means your build is off. Well, sometimes mods, including well loverd and popular ones, make records for NPC they have no need touching, causing visual glitches, usually infamous grey face. And in those cases - yeah, its often easier to just export head from CK. When the problem is global - you need to solve the source issue. Grey face indeed is usually related to NPC weight. Purple hair means that no texture is present for hair mesh. Golden hair is something completely new, dont know that one. So id wager something went horribly wrong with a hair mod. Of wich you seem to run very little, and since KS hairdos SMP is PC exclusive, unless you yourself give it to npc, it leaves vanilla hair replacer? Never used it. TBH changing vanilla stuff is normally a bad idea, since who knows where can it be used as a resource. Possible troubles are limitless. In short - id bet on that one being the troublemaker. try disabling it, see if it helps. Beyond that - never used high poly head, so its hard for me to guess what could cause issues with it.
anjenthedog Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 how are you setting npc weight? it *should be setnpcweight N, where N is the desired weight. Often times it comes down to a load order issue. I have the problem with the children. They're all suffering from black face. And even when I do a setnpcweight, It reverts next time I load the game and load a current save (made after setting their weights) ... (afaik, set commands are session only, unlike for instance, mod commands ex: player.modav carryweight N), which afaik cause persistent change (after making a new save). I've basically given up on the black face issue, and I try not to interact with them anyway. Adopted several children in my first play through and no offense to the clever emotional string pulls, but I got tired of it. They're just a lean on tie and effort with no give back or character development. If it is a load order issue, rather than a mod which has issues (afaik one reason people say to set their weight), to solve the load order issues for your mods, you'll need to dig up info from their mod pages and support info... if it is a glitchy mod with "wrong values, you'll have to edit it using SSEdit or CK to place the values correctly. I don't know how to do that, nor am I interested, as I have my own problems I'm focusing on (golden skin and lobster hands are my two #1 nemeses). I've seen the odd hair color issue before. Not exactly sure why. It definitely happens to one of my vectors where I've donned the body of another character and equip a particular piece of gear. The NPC (a follower actually) is a brunette, my player is a dirty blonde (no, not the pic you see for my LL avatar). when she adds a specific piece of jewelry, her hair change from brunette to strawberry blonde (it's actually kinda pretty). Anyway, suddenly it'll go back to brunette out of the blue (or not!) when I equip a weapon or change some piece of armor, or even when I change cells. Weird...I'd actually like it to stick to the strawberry blonde but meh, it won't.
IvanVancheskov Posted December 23, 2021 Author Posted December 23, 2021 @nilead I should clarify, its not global in the sense that it impacts everyone. I was more trying to illustrate that there does not seem to be a common thread between the NPCs that it -does- impact. You, are a life saver. You were -EXACTLY- right. The hair mod is it. So I guess the common thread was 'has vanilla hair' + 'bad dice roll'. Just out of curiosity I even went and installed all of the other npc overhaul mods I had been using. Bijin, High Poly NPC Overhaul, etc. And I'm not seeing the bug. Fascinating that a simple hair mod broke the game in such spectacular fashion. I may run into it later but for the moment Riverrun and Whiterun are squeaky clean, as is the bandit group outside the Alternate start campsite. If I have to learn the creators kit to fix a few along the way that's alright but the majority of the issue seems resolved. Thanks a million!
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