Waikay Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 Hey guys, it's another CTD issue. This is my first attempt to install some mods for Skyrim, and I was heartened when it worked the first time. Unfortunately, later attempts at starting a new game or loading the old one have caused a CTD a few seconds after selection. I'm not even sure what the problem exactly is, whether it's the mod order or specific mods. Here is the modlist. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 RSkyrimChildren.esm 6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 7 7 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm 8 8 3DNPC.esp 9 9 ImCh.esm 254 FE 0 RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm 10 a SexLab.esm 11 b Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 12 c SkyUI_SE.esp 13 d RaceMenuPlugin.esp 14 e RaceMenu.esp 15 f Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp 16 10 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp 17 11 ELFX - Exteriors.esp 18 12 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 19 13 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp 20 14 ELFX - Weathers.esp 21 15 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 22 16 Shadows.esp 23 17 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp 24 18 Immersive Encounters.esp 25 19 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 26 1a Cutting Room Floor.esp 27 1b CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 28 1c AI Overhaul.esp 29 1d Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp 30 1e Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp 31 1f Civil War Aftermath.esp 254 FE 1 CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp 32 20 Helgen Reborn.esp 33 21 LCO_Framework.esp 34 22 LCO_AllInOne.esp 254 FE 2 radiantBlocker.esp 35 23 Man Those Borders!.esp 36 24 WICO - Immersive People.esp 37 25 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 38 26 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 39 27 OwnCivilWar.esp 40 28 SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp 41 29 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp 42 2a Cloaks.esp 43 2b DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp 44 2c OBIS SE.esp 45 2d CivilWarCheckpoints - All.esp 254 FE 3 DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp 46 2e Immersive Patrols II.esp 47 2f SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 48 30 LCO3D_AllInOne.esp 49 31 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 254 FE 4 DBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.esp 50 32 CUYC_CleanUpYourCorpses.esp 51 33 quest_pitfighter.esp 254 FE 5 moretosayfalkreath.esp 52 34 Convenient Horses.esp 254 FE 6 DBM_CRF_Patch.esp 254 FE 7 DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp 254 FE 8 WS-Immersive College of Winterhold.esp 254 FE 9 DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp 254 FE a moretosayrorikstead.esp 254 FE b 3DNPC0.esp 254 FE c 3DNPC - AI Overhaul Patch.esp 254 FE d 3DNPC - CRF Patch.esp 53 35 50 More Perk Points.esp 54 36 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 254 FE e AOS_ISC_Integration.esp 55 37 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp 56 38 BlendedRoads.esp 57 39 Cathedral Weathers.esp 58 3a Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 59 3b Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 60 3c Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp 61 3d crimsonquestmarkers.esp 254 FE f CWICRFSEPatch.esp 254 FE 10 DBM_AOS_Patch.esp 254 FE 11 DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp 254 FE 12 DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp 254 FE 13 DBM_ISC_Patch.esp 254 FE 14 DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp 254 FE 15 DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp 254 FE 16 DBM_RuinsClutterImproved_Patch.esp 254 FE 17 DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp 62 3e DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp 254 FE 18 DDCSE Add-On.esp 254 FE 19 Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp 254 FE 1a DragonCombatDialogue.esp 63 3f dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 64 40 dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp 65 41 EBT - IC PATCH.esp 66 42 ENB Light.esp 67 43 FNIS.esp 68 44 FNISspells.esp 69 45 iHUD.esp 70 46 Immersive Encounters - RS Children Patch.esp 71 47 JiubQuestMarkers.esp 254 FE 1b moretosaywhiterun.esp 254 FE 1c moretosayriverwood.esp 72 48 KS Dragon Overhaul 2.esp 254 FE 1d KS Dragon Overhaul 2 - TC Patch.esp 73 49 MaximumCarnage.esp 254 FE 1e moretosaycityguards.esp 254 FE 1f moretosaygeneric.esp 254 FE 20 moretosaykarthwasten.esp 254 FE 21 moretosayshorsstone.esp 254 FE 22 moretosaywinterhold.esp 74 4a ogSplendorDragons.esp 75 4b RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp RDO - USSEP Patch.esp 76 4c RSChildren.esp 77 4d RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp 78 4e RSC CRF Patch.esp 254 FE 23 RSChildren + AI Overhaul Patch.esp 79 4f SLAnimLoader.esp 80 50 SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp 81 51 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 82 52 VioLens SE.esp 83 53 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest MCM.esp 84 54 WetandCold.esp 85 55 WICO - Immersive Character.esp 86 56 WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp 87 57 WICO - Wild Hunt Gears.esp 88 58 Growl - Werebeasts of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 24 JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp 89 59 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 90 5a SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 91 5b SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 92 5c SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 93 5d SOSRaceMenu.esp 94 5e ImmersiveInteractions.esp 95 5f SGEyebrows.esp 96 60 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp 254 FE 25 Imperious - Compatibility Patch.esp 97 61 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 98 62 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp 99 63 USSEP One ImCh Patch.esp 100 64 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 254 FE 26 CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp 101 65 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp 102 66 ELFXEnhancer.esp 103 67 WSEnhancerCW.esp 104 68 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 105 69 Settlements Expanded SE.esp 106 6a Settlements Expanded SE - RS Children Patch.esp 107 6b Whistling Mine.esp 108 6c MorePainfulNPCDeathSounds.esp 109 6d Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp 110 6e Smilodon - Realistic Damage.esp 111 6f SLALAnimObj.esp 112 70 SexLabDefeat.esp 113 71 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 114 72 XPMSE.esp
Gukahn Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Waikay said: Considering that all your mods are for your Version of the Game and the load order worked before and you can start the game witht he steam launcher (try it), try steams Diagnostic and let it download whatever it things is missing in your game, after that start it with the normal launcher for the settings and then with script extender. Not a sure fire problemsolver, just something i had to do too after in and de installing many mods.
Psalam Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Waikay said: Hey guys, it's another CTD issue 1. Ask one of the moderators to move this to the Skyrim or Skyrim SE Technical Support threads. You're likely to get more help there. 2. The most common cause of CTD on start up is lack of a master. While I can't spot an obvious one in your load order you should start by using your mod manager (or LOOT) to double check that you aren't missing something. Most of the mod managers show a mod with a missing master in red (or with a red symbol or both).
Rogwar002 Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 The load order is a mess, to be polite. There are patches to mods (e.g. Enhanced lights and FX) after the patched mod but before the enhancer or the other way round... ELFXEnhancer There is no bashed patch or merged patch to even out all those double edited entries in different mods. You can manage that, but you have to read and learn a few things. With a high counter of mods like yours, you should be familiar with TESEdit. LOOT will not work, because there are so many dependencies even the best LOOT list cannot manage that. You have to learn how to make a merged patch yourself, or you will continue to crash. If you don't know a merged patch: It has to be done with Wyre bash and or TESEDIT. I'm using both. It is just convinent to me, but you should at least built one. What is a merged patch? Skyrim has to know when to do/show what. This is done via the ESM or ESP files. An ESM should only have entries as a base and never overwrite another ESM (there are exceptions). You can think of an ESM as a framework. An ESP is allowed to overwrite those ESM entries. Now think about ELFX. ELFX will change the light bulbs in Skyrim. If there is a mod changing the light bulbs itself, the ELFX mod will fail. If the failure is critical, the script will try to solve the issue, but is not able to. If you have dozens and dozens of scripts trying the same at the same time, your Skyrim engine is running out of memory or trying to overwrite the same memory block and will crash. You as a modder now have the "quest" to solve all those overwrites. They have to happen in the right order. Sort them Cinderella like peas and beans. unfortunatley it will take time. A LOT OF time...but give it a try. You will see... If done right, your game will work like a charm. After nearly 7000 hours Skyrim, I think I have a considerable stable game Shit... need another hobby for gods sake.
Waikay Posted May 20, 2021 Author Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 11:11 PM, Psalam said: 1. Ask one of the moderators to move this to the Skyrim or Skyrim SE Technical Support threads. You're likely to get more help there. 2. The most common cause of CTD on start up is lack of a master. While I can't spot an obvious one in your load order you should start by using your mod manager (or LOOT) to double check that you aren't missing something. Most of the mod managers show a mod with a missing master in red (or with a red symbol or both). Thanks all for your help. It seems I was in fact missing a master. I installed Relationship Dialogue Overhaul again, and now I can get to the beginning of Alternate Start. Unfortunately, clicking the bed to sleep crashes the game during the ensuing loading screen. Would this different kind of CTD indicate that something else is wrong or is it the same old issue?
Psalam Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, Waikay said: Thanks all for your help. It seems I was in fact missing a master. I installed Relationship Dialogue Overhaul again, and now I can get to the beginning of Alternate Start. Unfortunately, clicking the bed to sleep crashes the game during the ensuing loading screen. Would this different kind of CTD indicate that something else is wrong or is it the same old issue? It is a different issue. A missing master would prevent you from starting the game at all. So, does clicking the bed always cause a CTD or only with certain starts? (To test this it would be best to start a game and, before you choose where you're going to start, make a hard save. That way, if you get a CTD you will be able to load your save and skip a lot of work.)
Waikay Posted May 22, 2021 Author Posted May 22, 2021 On 5/21/2021 at 12:14 AM, Psalam said: It is a different issue. A missing master would prevent you from starting the game at all. So, does clicking the bed always cause a CTD or only with certain starts? (To test this it would be best to start a game and, before you choose where you're going to start, make a hard save. That way, if you get a CTD you will be able to load your save and skip a lot of work.) It crashes with the vanilla start for sure. As for the other starts, it usually starts off fine but it crashes when I exit the starting building (say, in the Erik the Slayer start, it CTDs when I leave the inn in which I begin the game.) I think it's the outdoors that CTDs the game. What could this mean?
Psalam Posted May 22, 2021 Posted May 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Waikay said: It crashes with the vanilla start for sure. As for the other starts, it usually starts off fine but it crashes when I exit the starting building (say, in the Erik the Slayer start, it CTDs when I leave the inn in which I begin the game.) I think it's the outdoors that CTDs the game. What could this mean? Usually that means that you have a mod (or more than one) that has provided a bad texture/mesh. Best to turn off mods that obviously impact the outdoors and see if that fixes your problem. As a side note, especially when dealing with CTD and performance issues, DO NOT run the vanilla start. It is harder on performance than the others.
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