dude7189 Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 Hi, I've been struggling for a while now to harmonize my mods to reach an acceptable long term result. I don't consider myself a pro in skyrim modding but I'm also not a beginner. Operating Skyrim through MO, TES5 sorted all the errors that LOOT reported. LOOT, Bodyslide and FNIS were updated after each Mod I added regardless of whether I installed an animation or body mod. Using also BashPatch, FallrimTool and ENB Series. I have a game safe in the beginning prison cell that I use to update my mcm and mod list before starting a new game. Creating a new prison cell safe once in a while, specially when removing mods and creating a new BashPatch. I'm interested in running a Slaverun game mixed with different "flavor mods". Though the mod descriptions do not indicate any incompatibilities, I'm sure I messed up somewhere and have some mods conflicting each other. I could imagine that TDF Prostitution, Radiant Prostitution and Public Whore would conflict. But there might be more of these conflict points that I'm not aware of. I can run the game alright but eventually it would bug at some point, animations wouldn't work, or some text options are not showing up, npc's are stuck... I would need to go back to an older safe which is annoying. I will post my load order here in case there is a brave soul that would want to take a look. However if someone has a smoothly working mod list suggestion for slaverun I'd be happy to receive such as well. Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 Campfire.esm 7 7 SexLab.esm 8 8 SexLabAroused.esm 9 9 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 10 a Devious Devices - Integration.esm 11 b Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 12 c ZaZAnimationPack.esm 13 d DeviousFramework.esm 14 e ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 15 f Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 16 10 CreatureFramework.esm 17 11 Amputator.esm 18 12 daymoyl.esm 19 13 Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm 20 14 ApachiiHair.esm 21 15 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 22 16 SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 23 17 dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm 24 18 Solar's Portable Containers.esm 25 19 hdtHighHeel.esm 26 1a Heels Sound.esm 27 1b HighResTexturePack01.esp 28 1c HighResTexturePack02.esp 29 1d HighResTexturePack03.esp 30 1e Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp 31 1f DfwSupport.esp 32 20 SkyUI.esp 33 21 UIExtensions.esp 34 22 SOSRaceMenu.esp 35 23 XPMSE.esp 36 24 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp 37 25 FNIS.esp 38 26 RaceMenu.esp 39 27 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 40 28 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 41 29 DW.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Creepy Males.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Dominant Female Followers.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Guild Members.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Hirelings.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Nobles.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Orcs.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Traders and Innkeepers.esp 42 2a PunishingLashes.esp 43 2b Luxury Collection.esp 44 2c KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 45 2d KS Hairdo's.esp 46 2e EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 47 2f Real Feeding V3.esp 48 30 dD - Enhanced Blood Main LITE.esp 49 31 ELFX - Exteriors.esp 50 32 SD Cages.esp 51 33 SD Cages Patch for Devious Devices.esp 52 34 SD Cages Patch for Devious Devices & Luxury Lingerie Collection.esp 53 35 Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp 54 36 ZaForswornStory.esp 55 37 SimplyKnock.esp 56 38 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 57 39 SexLab_DibellaCult.esp 58 3a SL Survival.esp 59 3b Populated Skyrim AIO.esp 60 3c Extra Guards.esp NPCs Unlevelled.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Enemies Only.esp 61 3d sanguinesDebauchery.esp 62 3e SMIM-Merged-All.esp 63 3f SkyrimSewers.esp 64 40 BeastessLair.esp 65 41 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 66 42 Dogs-of-Skyrim.esp 67 43 Bondage Furniture World.esp 68 44 Slaverun_Reloaded.esp 69 45 SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp 70 46 Slaverun Patch for Devious Devices.esp 71 47 Slaverun Patch for Devious Devices & Luxury Lingerie Collection.esp 72 48 Devious Devices for Vanilla NPCs.esp 73 49 WindstadMine.esp 74 4a Immersive Wenches.esp 75 4b Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp 76 4c SexLab_Dialogues.esp Vanilla NPCs Now Slavers - Non-Guild Mages.esp 77 4d Hunterborn.esp 78 4e EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp 79 4f Frostfall.esp 80 50 CompanionValfar.esp 81 51 1nivWICCloaks.esp 82 52 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 83 53 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 84 54 Sextreme-All.esp 85 55 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 86 56 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 87 57 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 88 58 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 89 59 SexLabTools.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 90 5a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp 91 5b AMatterOfTime.esp 92 5c MoreNastyCritters.esp 93 5d SexLabNudeCreatures.esp 94 5e SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp 95 5f SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp 96 60 SlaveTats.esp 97 61 SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp 98 62 RapeTattoos.esp 99 63 PsycheAnimationObjects.esp 100 64 SLAL_K4Anims.esp 101 65 FNISSexyMove.esp 102 66 AddItemMenuLE.esp ZaForswornStory - Armor Patch.esp 103 67 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 104 68 Spank That Ass.esp 105 69 SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp 106 6a sexlab_WearAndTear.esp 107 6b Sexlab - Cum Overlays.esp 108 6c SLSO.esp 109 6d SexLab Warmbodies.esp 110 6e SexLabMatchMaker.esp 111 6f SLAnimLoader.esp SexLab TDFAP - Requiem Blue Aura Fix.esp 112 70 Apropos2.esp 113 71 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp 114 72 sr_FillHerUp.esp 115 73 Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp 116 74 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 117 75 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp 118 76 MassMatchMakerSE.esp 119 77 AnubAnimObj.esp 120 78 Giants.esp 121 79 Melt_Down_Everything.esp 122 7a USLEEPSurvivalModPatch.esp 123 7b BrandingDeviceOfDoom.esp 124 7c SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp 125 7d SexLab_RelationshipDialogueSystem.esp 126 7e Public Whore.esp 127 7f submissivelola_est.esp 128 80 kal_LolaAddon.esp 129 81 SimpleSlavery.esp 130 82 Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp 131 83 daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp 132 84 Deviously Enslaved.esp 133 85 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp 134 86 WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp 135 87 LittlePondFarmExtended.esp 136 88 Solar's Portable Crafting.esp 137 89 SD Patches.esp 138 8a SD Addons.esp 139 8b Devious Devices - Equip.esp SimpleSlaveryPlus - Devious Devices Beauty Patch.esp 140 8c SimpleSlaveryPlus - Devious Devices Patch.esp 141 8d HothFollower.esp 142 8e AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp 143 8f Vruls Kin.esp 144 90 FishingInSkyrim.esp 145 91 zariafarming.esp 146 92 My Home Is Your Home.esp 147 93 Scent of Sex.esp 148 94 FNISspells.esp 149 95 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp 150 96 Real Clouds.esp 151 97 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 152 98 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 153 99 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 154 9a Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp 155 9b Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 156 9c ccas_starts.esp 157 9d MoreDeviousStarts.esp 158 9e Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Sgt. Marge Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 I would recommend checking out the following setup guides to help fill in things that you may not have considered yet, for example setting up "Crash Fixes" if you don't already have that. Conglomerate 01 - Installing Skyrim, Stability Fixes, Tools Conglomerate 02 - LL Core Mods Quote TDF Prostitution, Radiant Prostitution and Public Whore I briefly had all three installed, it didn't seem to break anything major. My recommendation is to try and tackle 1 problem at a time. What you described could be just stability issues, or mod incompatibilities or both. Try and read through descriptions as well as help posts for each mod, especially for mods you think might be conflicting. Any mod that edits the same cell as another mod can conflict as well. I don't have the brain bandwidth to check through the load order right now, and I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as others here, but I'll try and take a closer look at it later. Maybe others can chime in with suggestions.
dude7189 Posted May 19, 2021 Author Posted May 19, 2021 Hi Marge597, thanks a lot for your reply. Glad to see there is still community support for Skyrim. I scanned through the conglomerate links yesterday already and discovered that I have the majority but not all of these fundamental mods. Quote I briefly had all three installed, it didn't seem to break anything major. Alright, that's good news. Thanks for confirming that. Quote What you described could be just stability issues, or mod incompatibilities or both. Try and read through descriptions as well as help posts for each mod, especially for mods you think might be conflicting. Descriptions - done Posts - partially done as well If you could have a closer look at the list I would appreciate it a lot. Some issues that I encounter: - "walking through water sound" while being on a mountain, sometimes pc would make swimming emote instead of running. - conflicting Master setting - Seems that SD+, one of the Devious mods and Lola don't recognize each other - scent of sex recognizes only 128 out of 300+ animations (specially creature) that are activated through animation loader. I read that there is a hiccup but couldn't find a fix. Any idea?
Sgt. Marge Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 4:18 AM, dude7189 said: Some issues that I encounter: - "walking through water sound" while being on a mountain, sometimes pc would make swimming emote instead of running. I just searched in google and found a couple links talking about this, you may need to cap your FPS in your video card. Here's an example thread that talks about capping at 120fps on AMD but the issue also happens for NVidea it looks like. I think I read about capping at 60 fps to fix havok physics where things would fly around. Maybe try capping at 60fps, that's what mine is capped to. Quote - conflicting Master setting - Seems that SD+, one of the Devious mods and Lola don't recognize each other I'm not sure what you mean, can you be more specific? Is there some error message either in game or generated in your mod manager? Quote - scent of sex recognizes only 128 out of 300+ animations (specially creature) that are activated through animation loader. I read that there is a hiccup but couldn't find a fix. Any idea? Try going into the Sexlab Animation Loader (SL Anim Loader) MCM, click Enable All, then Register Animations and then click Count Animations to see if there are any left "to register". Also make sure to go into Zaz MCM and register those animations with Sexlab, If you ever add animation packs after setting up you would also need to do this in addition to re-run FNIS. There's a 500 animation limit for each category unless you have one of the patches that expands the number of slots. like SexLab sslAnimationSlots 2000 LE 2.0.3. But you may not need that unless you are over the limit. If simply enable and register did not fix it, you can try going through the directions on that page where it talks about "Install: MO2" and start at step 5. You don't need the mod necessarily, just the instructions.
Grey Cloud Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 52 minutes ago, Marg597 said: 120fps on AMD but the issue also happens for NVidea it looks like. I think I read about capping at 60 fps Cap to match the refresh rate of your monitor would be my advice.
Sgt. Marge Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Cap to match the refresh rate of your monitor would be my advice. Interesting. Also just found this thread talking about changing fMaxTime instead of limiting the fps. I might give that a try.
Grey Cloud Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Marg597 said: Interesting. Also just found this thread talking about changing fMaxTime instead of limiting the fps. I might give that a try. https://stepmodifications.org/wiki/Guide:Skyrim_INI/HAVOK#fMaxTime fMaxTime=0.0333 is for 30fps fMaxTime=0.0166 is for 60fps fMaxTime=0.0133 is for 75fps fMaxTime=0.0111 is for 90fps fMaxTime=0.0083 is for 120fps fMaxTime=0.0069 is for 144fps fMaxTime=0.0042 is for 240fps+
dude7189 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Posted May 21, 2021 Thank you both for your replies. Quote 4 hours ago, Marg597 said: 120fps on AMD but the issue also happens for NVidea it looks like. I think I read about capping at 60 fps Cap to match the refresh rate of your monitor would be my advice. Silly question but - where do I check/adapt the fps rate? My monitor shows me 60 fps Quote Quote - scent of sex recognizes only 128 out of 300+ animations (specially creature) that are activated through animation loader. I read that there is a hiccup but couldn't find a fix. Any idea? Try going into the Sexlab Animation Loader (SL Anim Loader) MCM, click Enable All, then Register Animations and then click Count Animations to see if there are any left "to register". Also make sure to go into Zaz MCM and register those animations with Sexlab, If you ever add animation packs after setting up you would also need to do this in addition to re-run FNIS. All this has been done. I reached the 500 cap so i'm not registering all animations, just some. However Scent of sex does only register the 128 from SL and Zaz. Could it be that deactivating the SL standard animations in the MCM SL animations setting is causing the trouble? Quote Quote - conflicting Master setting - Seems that SD+, one of the Devious mods and Lola don't recognize each other I'm not sure what you mean, can you be more specific? Is there some error message either in game or generated in your mod manager? Having my char engaged in the Lola mod still allows me to submit with the SD+ to another NPC. Once submitted in the SD+ setting, the Lola options are not available anymore..
dude7189 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Posted May 21, 2021 maybe just for clarifiction - im playing on skyrim le... i know there are some compatibility patches for se that do not work with le
Grey Cloud Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, dude7189 said: Silly question but - where do I check/adapt the fps rate? My monitor shows me 60 fps Not a silly question. Do it either via the settings of your video card (the preferred way) or via enblocal.ini (look for the [LIMITER] section). Use one or the other. 2 hours ago, dude7189 said: I reached the 500 cap so i'm not registering all animations, just some I don't use Scent of Sex but the SL Framework limit of 500 is exactly that - the limit of SLF and has nothing to do with any other limit. You can toggle off the animations in SLF and send them to the 'suppress' list so they don't get loaded. 2 hours ago, dude7189 said: Could it be that deactivating the SL standard animations in the MCM SL animations setting is causing the trouble? Unlikely. When you disable an animation in the SLF MCM it will still be active in the SLAL MCM so you need to disable it there too. I think we are getting a bit off track here. The problem in your initial post looks like an incorrectly configure game - it works at first but then starts to go bad. Following the Conglomerate guides linked above would definitely help there. Slaverun is not the most stable mod in the world and impacts on several parts of Skyrim and its impact grows as the game progresses - more towns are slave towns, more NPCs are slaves etc.
Sgt. Marge Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, dude7189 said: Having my char engaged in the Lola mod still allows me to submit with the SD+ to another NPC. Once submitted in the SD+ setting, the Lola options are not available anymore.. You'd probably need to check those 2 mods help forums on that. The main thing to keep in mind is that they are written by 2 different people, and they are both slavery mods. It sounds like they may not be compatible. That is, you can get enslaved by one or the other, but unless the 2 mod authors have accounted for this, there may not be synergy. A good example of mods working together quite well are Sexlab Survival, Devious Followers Continued, and Submissive Lola. There have been efforts made by the mod authors to be compatible with each other. Specifically DFC with SLS, and DFC with Lola. DFC has a slavery component as well, and both mods were recently updated so that DFC and Lola would not step on each others toes in that regard. One thing to consider is hitting the "follow" button on the mods you enjoy, and that way you can keep up to date with the latest version and latest help posts.
dude7189 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Posted May 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: I think we are getting a bit off track here. tbh I don't mind discussing more then the initial problem - but for the sake of order I agree with you 57 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Do it either via the settings of your video card (the preferred way) or via enblocal.ini (look for the [LIMITER] section). Use one or the other. wow ok - so I checked the video card first and found the 60 fps. after your post I checked enblocal.ini and by LIMITER was written 10 - changed that now to 60. Will give it a try later but that is a big change already. Curious of the result. Thanks! 51 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: The problem in your initial post looks like an incorrectly configure game - it works at first but then starts to go bad. Following the Conglomete guides linked above would definitely help there. Exactly it starts good and becomes bad - which is annoying. Will go through this conglomerate guides tomorrow diligently and hope to fill the gaps of the basic mod set. to this 52 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Slaverun is not the most stable mod in the world and impacts on several parts of Skyrim and its impact grows as the game progresses - more towns are slave towns, more NPCs are slaves etc. and this 30 minutes ago, Marg597 said: A good example of mods working together quite well are Sexlab Survival, Devious Followers Continued, and Submissive Lola. There have been efforts made by the mod authors to be compatible with each other. Specifically DFC with SLS, and DFC with Lola. DFC has a slavery component as well, and both mods were recently updated so that DFC and Lola would not step on each others toes in that regard. I was thinking to do a new load list, cutting down "flavor mods" and start with Slaverun in combination with survival, Lola and dfc or something... there is just too much good stuff out there... Everytime I'm browsing through the mods here on LL I come across a new thing id like to try out... Anyway, thanks guys... will do my homework and might reply later to let you know if the game improved. PS: 33 minutes ago, Marg597 said: One thing to consider is hitting the "follow" button on the mods you enjoy Thanks for that - I was not aware of this function! much appreciated
Grey Cloud Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, dude7189 said: so I checked the video card first and found the 60 fps. after your post I checked enblocal.ini and by LIMITER was written 10 - changed that now to 60. Will give it a try later but that is a big change already I said use one or the other. Unless EnableFPSLimit = True in enblocal then setting FPSLimit to anything is pointless. Always stick to fixing one problem before making changing which could result in further problems or at least muddy the waters.
Mez558 Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 3 hours ago, dude7189 said: wow ok - so I checked the video card first and found the 60 fps. after your post I checked enblocal.ini and by LIMITER was written 10 - changed that now to 60. Will give it a try later but that is a big change already. Curious of the result. Thanks! As GC said, it's better to do it in your GPU drivers than with the ENB settings but you should should change it to 60 in enblocal.ini anyway as there is a keybound to toggling the limit on and off (by default it's NP/ but can be changed) since it's likely you will run out of spare keys to bind commands/functions to and NP keys are useful for that. Also Havokfix
dude7189 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Posted May 21, 2021 So EnableFPSLimit in enblocal was set on false and FPSLimit on 10. I left EnableFPSLimit on false and changed the value to 60 according to what my GPU can handle... You make it sound like I did something wrong - enlighten me if I did
Grey Cloud Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, dude7189 said: EnableFPSLimit on false Ask yourself whether the FPS limit is enabled or not. ?
Sgt. Marge Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, dude7189 said: So EnableFPSLimit in enblocal was set on false and FPSLimit on 10. I left EnableFPSLimit on false and changed the value to 60 according to what my GPU can handle... You make it sound like I did something wrong - enlighten me if I did You might want to review this step guide for enblocal and double check your settings ?
dude7189 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Posted May 22, 2021 ok, I re-read your post - got it the wrong way around by first time reading. Also found that my system works at 144 fps, not just 60.. Thanks for the patience GC
Mez558 Posted May 22, 2021 Posted May 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, dude7189 said: ok, I re-read your post - got it the wrong way around by first time reading. Also found that my system works at 144 fps, not just 60.. The purpose of limiting your fps to 60 was due to the issues it caused in game when above and not because your Monitor couldn't handle more than that. If you want to run over 60fps then install the Havok Fix I linked.
dude7189 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Posted May 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Mez558 said: If you want to run over 60fps then install the Havok Fix I linked. It is not my intention to play above 60 fps. I got a bit confused by GC's comments about EnableFPSLimit true or false - but that's clear now. My FPS settings are corresponding to this guide, so all good. Quote step guide for enblocal Will focus on the conglomerate links.
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