Never had this error before

[LavenderCat]

So, as the title says, I've never had this particular Racemenu error before and am looking for some help on how to fix it. I have included some other logs because my game also keeps crashing in Whiterun (also never had that happen before), and there may be some information in them that can help. At the start of the game, there was no issue when I made my character, but now her body has been replaced with a void, and I'm not sure if that is causing the problem or if it's something else. I have also included my current load order in case there are any mods on there that are bad and breaking my game.
Once again, thank you all so much for the help! You are all awesome people for helping me decipher what is going on!

SexLabDebug.0.log 2020-11-08_21.05.24.dmp LoadOrder_Skyrim_2020-11-20T09-55-12.txt

[Psalam]

35 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

helping me decipher

3 questions/requests

 

1) can you load a picture of what you're describing

2) when your characters body is replaced by a void open the console (while in 3rd person) and click on your character; look on the right side about halfway down there is a line that says something like "last mod to make changes" - make a note of that

3) how many plug-ins is that in your load order? It looks like you may have too many which might be your entire issue.

[LavenderCat]

2 hours ago, Psalam said:

3 questions/requests

 

1) can you load a picture of what you're describing

2) when your characters body is replaced by a void open the console (while in 3rd person) and click on your character; look on the right side about halfway down there is a line that says something like "last mod to make changes" - make a note of that

3) how many plug-ins is that in your load order? It looks like you may have too many which might be your entire issue.

I have yet to get it to do that again (The void body), but as soon as I get it to show up again I will post a picture of what all it says and what is going on!

The attached photo is what happened when I stripped my character of her clothes, and for some reason, this time her body showed up. Console is open for you to see what I saw when looking for "last mod to make changes".
I have 198 plugins. It is a decent amount, but seeing as I've run the game with max plugins before (Don't ask me how, this was at least a year ago) I'm not all that concerned about the number of plugins.

 

Edit: Couldn't get it to happen with my character, but got it to happen to a different character, if that helps.

 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

The top image shows us what? It says that ImCh.esm made the lastbasechange but there doesn't appear to be anything in the image resembling the issues you described - it's not in RM, she has her body and the location is nowhere near Whiterun.

You do however appear to be using a custom race so you may want to look at that.

 

The second image again shows us what? It's too dark to see anything meaningful. If that black is the void you mentioned then it does not appear to be the body, otherwise the legs would have gone too. Have you tried removing her torso armour?

 

 

[LavenderCat]

7 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

The top image shows us what? It says that ImCh.esm made the lastbasechange but there doesn't appear to be anything in the image resembling the issues you described - it's not in RM, she has her body and the location is nowhere near Whiterun.

You do however appear to be using a custom race so you may want to look at that.

 

The second image again shows us what? It's too dark to see anything meaningful.

 

 

The woman on the right has the void body. If you look at where her neck meets her body, you'll see it drops off into blackness. And I know I'm nowhere near Whiterun, I figure might as well handle one problem at a time. But, I'll go to whiterun and get the crash report ASAP.

Papyrus.1.log Papyrus.2.log 2020-11-20_17.20.42.dmp 2020-11-20_18.01.42.dmp

[Psalam]

I have to agree with Grey Cloud. What your picture looks like is someone in a dark room wearing a black outfit. Perhaps you can get a better picture?

[LavenderCat]

11 minutes ago, Psalam said:

I have to agree with Grey Cloud. What your picture looks like is someone in a dark room wearing a black outfit. Perhaps you can get a better picture?

 

38 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

The top image shows us what? It says that ImCh.esm made the lastbasechange but there doesn't appear to be anything in the image resembling the issues you described - it's not in RM, she has her body and the location is nowhere near Whiterun.

You do however appear to be using a custom race so you may want to look at that.

 

The second image again shows us what? It's too dark to see anything meaningful. If that black is the void you mentioned then it does not appear to be the body, otherwise the legs would have gone too. Have you tried removing her torso armour?

 

 

I'll see what I can do, but my game is choosing now to crash every time I try and get the error to occur and take a picture. Fun times in Skyrim modding, am I right?

[Psalam]

17 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

 

I'll see what I can do, but my game is choosing now to crash every time I try and get the error to occur and take a picture. Fun times in Skyrim modding, am I right?

Before we get too far away from it. Have you looked into this:

It has the basics to help stabilize your game reducing crashes and graphics issues.

[LavenderCat]

38 minutes ago, Psalam said:

Before we get too far away from it. Have you looked into this:

 

I apparently already have most of those, but I did manage to get the bug again!
 

[Psalam]

What outfit is that and is her hair supposed to be purple?

[LavenderCat]

38 minutes ago, Psalam said:

What outfit is that and is her hair supposed to be purple?

That's not an outfit. According to her inventory she's naked (Didn't get a pic of that like a fool, but I remember).
Yes, her hair is meant to be purple.

[Psalam]

All I can think of is that either: 

 

1) you are short of VRAM which will sometimes give you black (although I've never seen it impact a body before) or

2) something (one of your other mods) is overwriting your body - are you using Vortex or MO by any chance. If so, check to see that nothing is doing that.

[LavenderCat]

22 minutes ago, Psalam said:

All I can think of is that either: 

 

1) you are short of VRAM which will sometimes give you black (although I've never seen it impact a body before) or

2) something (one of your other mods) is overwriting your body - are you using Vortex or MO by any chance. If so, check to see that nothing is doing that.

Can't really fix the first one (that I know of).
I use NMM (Nexus Mod Manager) and LOOT to help me with load order. How would I go about checking if something is overwriting the body on those? If you happen to know that is, if not, then well, I'll just make sure my character doesn't get naked (Which I'm already trying to avoid, I just wasn't sure if the glitch was some kind of catastrophic failure). XD

[Grey Cloud]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

1) you are short of VRAM which will sometimes give you black (although I've never seen it impact a body before)

I'm with Psalam on this.

Which skin texture mod are you using? Are you using 4k or larger textures? There's no need for anything larger than 2k textures for normal game play.

The reason it is the body is because the body texture is the largest file size so it fails first.

Another cause is lack of mipmaps in the texture files. This can show itself by a brown or black texture where you can see lots of triangles. This can be cured by running Ordenador on your textures and choosing the 'add mipmaps' option.

Ordenador (Run it on yyour entire textures folder. It may take 20-30 mins depending on how large it is but is worth doing).

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12801/?

 

This was the result of 2K textures without mipmaps.



 

As was this.

 

4 hours ago, LavenderCat said:

I apparently already have most of those,

The 'must haves' are:

 

Crash fixes
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/

SKSE Plugin Preloader
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/?

ENBoost (If you are using an ENB preset then you should already have this but it can be used without a preset).
https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

Bethini (This will set your Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPrefs.ini files)
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69787

Load Game CTD Fix (Stops Infinite Loading Screen (ILS)
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/85443/

The above tools will sort out your memory management and stop 99% of CTDs. They need to be installed in the correct location and where applicable configured correctly. This is especially true of enblocal.ini.

 

5 hours ago, LavenderCat said:

Fun times in Skyrim modding, am I right?

No. Five years ago it may have been true but these days the tools are there to give you a virtually CTD-free game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LavenderCat]

49 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

I'm with Psalam on this.

Which skin texture mod are you using? Are you using 4k or larger textures? There's no need for anything larger than 2k textures for normal game play.

The reason it is the body is because the body texture is the largest file size so it fails first.

Another cause is lack of mipmaps in the texture files. This can show itself by a brown or black texture where you can see lots of triangles. This can be cured by running Ordenador on your textures and choosing the 'add mipmaps' option.

Ordenador (Run it on yyour entire textures folder. It may take 20-30 mins depending on how large it is but is worth doing).

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/12801/?

 

So, the only real body/texture mods I use is CBBE and..... I had it set to "Ultra". IDK why I thought that was a good idea when I re-installed it, but wow that was a dumb move on my part. Either way, I have it set to "medium" now, and if the problem persists I'll set it to "low".
And I just started using Ordinator at your suggestion, so hopefully everything keeps working! Thanks for the tip about the resolution!

Thank you both for the help! You have no idea how much I appreciate it!

I have a hard time decoding or figuring out the source of some problems, I never in my life would have guessed it was the texture resolution that was causing it!

[Grey Cloud]

3 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

So, the only real body/texture mods I use is CBBE

CBBE is a body mod, the textures are a different mod. E.g I use the UUNP body and usually Fair Skin Complexion for my skin textures.

 

6 minutes ago, LavenderCat said:

I had it set to "Ultra". IDK why I thought that was a good idea when I re-installed it, but wow that was a dumb move on my part. Either way, I have it set to "medium" now, and if the problem persists I'll set it to "low".

If you are using Bethini then setting to medium is the way to go until you have stable game. Then you can try cranking it up a notch at a time. The ini files covered by Bethini are unlikely to be the source or a contributor to your texture problems. The culprit there is more likely to be your enblocal.ini.

Follow the instructions here to ensure it is configured correctly for your hardware:

https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

[LavenderCat]

3 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

The culprit there is more likely to be your enblocal.ini.

Follow the instructions here to ensure it is configured correctly for your hardware:

https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost

This is going to sound dumb. I don't think I have that one because last time I followed the instructions everything started flickering (Sky mainly) and then I found out there was a max value that it could be set to.
It has left me very concerned about using it, but I'll give it a shot again.
This time trying to remember the max value.

[Grey Cloud]

4 hours ago, LavenderCat said:

This is going to sound dumb. I don't think I have that one because last time I followed the instructions everything started flickering (Sky mainly) and then I found out there was a max value that it could be set to.
It has left me very concerned about using it, but I'll give it a shot again.
This time trying to remember the max value.

If you are using an ENB preset then you already have the 'boost' part. If you follow the instruction in the STEP link then you will get the correct values.

[LavenderCat]

16 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

If you are using an ENB preset then you already have the 'boost' part. If you follow the instruction in the STEP link then you will get the correct values.

I never, ever use an ENB. They are something that I'm not fully sure how to set up, so I see it as safest to just not use them.