Aggressive FunnyBizness animations not sorting properly.

[megamouth29]

I just recently installed FunnyBizness SLAL pack and when I start up a consensual scene there is a huge chance it will start up an non consensual scene. I have made sure they are toggled in SL and that the "restrict aggressive animations" is ticked but they still play when using either SLMM, or SLSubmit when you "seduce" the other actor.

 

Edit: they will also play when initiating sex through Amourus Adventures.

[Seijin8]

51 minutes ago, megamouth29 said:

I just recently installed FunnyBizness SLAL pack and when I start up a consensual scene there is a huge chance it will start up an non consensual scene. I have made sure they are toggled in SL and that the "restrict aggressive animations" is ticked but they still play when using either SLMM, or SLSubmit when you "seduce" the other actor.

 

Edit: they will also play when initiating sex through Amourus Adventures.

Welcome to the tag system (which sucks).

 

Make sure every one of those animations is tagged with "Aggressive", "AggressiveDefault", "Forced", and "Rape" tags, and maybe they won't show up all the time.

[megamouth29]

2 minutes ago, Seijin8 said:

Welcome to the tag system (which sucks).

 

Make sure every one of those animations is tagged with "Aggressive", "AggressiveDefault", "Forced", and "Rape" tags, and maybe they won't show up all the time.

they are all tagged as "AggressiveDefault". So I guess by what you are saying is that even though i have them ticked as aggressive, in the toggle menu, and restricted aggressive anims, I'm SoL? Do you know of a SLAL pack that wont do that? i like what FB has done but i do not like all of the necro anims and would prefer them gone..

[Seijin8]

28 minutes ago, megamouth29 said:

they are all tagged as "AggressiveDefault". So I guess by what you are saying is that even though i have them ticked as aggressive, in the toggle menu, and restricted aggressive anims, I'm SoL? Do you know of a SLAL pack that wont do that? i like what FB has done but i do not like all of the necro anims and would prefer them gone..

You're never SoL with a game this moddable.  It is just a question of how much learning/effort/work you are willing to do to perfect your game.

 

Ticking everything as aggressive and un-ticking them from the normal animation list might help, but that depends on how the mods you are using are sorting their animation lists.

[megamouth29]

2 hours ago, Seijin8 said:

You're never SoL with a game this moddable.  It is just a question of how much learning/effort/work you are willing to do to perfect your game.

 

Ticking everything as aggressive and un-ticking them from the normal animation list might help, but that depends on how the mods you are using are sorting their animation lists.

that motivated me to find a tag editor (SLATE) and remove all tags that I could that wasn't MF, Aggressive, AgrressiveDefault, Rape, Forced, FunnyBizness. my only problem now is that MM and AA (AA specifically once you have already made them your lover) only search the tag "MF" and honestly thats ok with me. SLATE wont let me remove MF but it let me remove FM. However I only use MM when I all else fails in getting NPCs to do it, and with AA my "lovers" wouldn't be to "offended" with some good ol Rapeplay, and before they're considered "lovers" it calls for more romantic scenes. (at least thats what happened with Ireleth because shes a free "lover" after slaying the dragon at the watch tower.)

 

Thank you though Seinjin. I was losing my edge when it came to modding and you reminded me that I've been doing this for 6 years and i better figure it out lol.

[Seijin8]

6 hours ago, megamouth29 said:

that motivated me to find a tag editor (SLATE) and remove all tags that I could that wasn't MF, Aggressive, AgrressiveDefault, Rape, Forced, FunnyBizness. my only problem now is that MM and AA (AA specifically once you have already made them your lover) only search the tag "MF" and honestly thats ok with me. SLATE wont let me remove MF but it let me remove FM. However I only use MM when I all else fails in getting NPCs to do it, and with AA my "lovers" wouldn't be to "offended" with some good ol Rapeplay, and before they're considered "lovers" it calls for more romantic scenes. (at least thats what happened with Ireleth because shes a free "lover" after slaying the dragon at the watch tower.)

 

Thank you though Seinjin. I was losing my edge when it came to modding and you reminded me that I've been doing this for 6 years and i better figure it out lol.

Glad it is at least partly working.  Sounds like the real fix would be to tweak the scripts in the mods triggering the animations to add TagSuppress for things that really don't belong.  (Sorting only by MF is... bad.  Likely to cause all sorts of odd shit.)

[phillout]

On 11/7/2020 at 5:20 AM, Seijin8 said:

Welcome to the tag system (which sucks).

 

I don't think the tag system sucks by itself - tags are versatile and can represent anything. The problem with it is two-fold

 

1. Lack of any standards on the tags used.

 

2. Lack of the ability to choose tags by some complex expressions.

 

I've encountered this while working on Vampiric Thirst patch. For example, my PC is a female seducing a male. I'm requesting animations tagged as "Vampire" and I get all "MF+Vampire" animations - including those with male vampire feeding off a female. So it plays as if the male NPC is feeding on a female vampire - which is kinda opposite to what I want to get. I could use "Vampire,Cowgirl" filter here - but then I couldn't use FemaleVampire tag which is also provided by some animations I've encountered.

 

Something like "Vampire+(Cowgirl|FemaleVampire)" would solve it. Or even better - a tag "FM" tag for animations where female is the sex initiator for all animations. Yes, I could edit them by myself, but then every user would have to.

 

And then there are all other cases, like females feeding off female NPCs. Male vampires feeding off female NPCs. Male NPCs. and so on. 

 

I'm actually thinking now about making some kind of a "filter framework" for SexLab - the one which could use complex tag filters and manually created sets of animations. 

[Seijin8]

8 hours ago, phillout said:

1. Lack of any standards on the tags used.

MMG tried to create one, and a standard is emerging given that the majority of animations now are being done by one person (Billyy).  Even so, you are right that there is no standard, and that extends to many of the internals on Sexlab, too.

8 hours ago, phillout said:

2. Lack of the ability to choose tags by some complex expressions.

Yeah, the "Include tag", "Require all tags" and "Suppress any tags" system is both limited and reliant on animators doing some of the heavy lifting on the animation tagging, or at least having some repository of SLATE files with everything tagged up precisely.

8 hours ago, phillout said:

Something like "Vampire+(Cowgirl|FemaleVampire)"

There is a util function for creating an animation list from two lists, discarding anything that isn't in both.  You could make a vampire list and a CG list and take only what crosses over.  Downside is that you'd have much longer waiting time between scene initiation and start (more than double the delay, I'd think).