kapibar Posted October 18, 2020 Posted October 18, 2020 The problem was encoutered by some other users, but I haven't found a solution for it (at least the one that works for me). So I have a following issue: during whipping scene the NPC that does the whipping freezes after few strokes mid-move. The scene is resumed when NPC is disabled/enabled, but then it's the same thing again - few strokes and freeze. Some people said this bug is caused by Ultimate Combat Overhaul and its stagger function, but disabling UCO doesn't help. I am hoping you'll be able to help me. Thanks in advance!
kapibar Posted October 19, 2020 Author Posted October 19, 2020 Anyone? @donttouchmethere you're usually the god-like problem solver, can you help me once again?
donttouchmethere Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 ohoh, whipping again? ? What mod triggers the whipping in this case? I know that Pet Project has a scene where whipping is glitched and would need a fix from the author. SD+ has sometimes trouble (if something is between the whipping NPC and PC, or the whipping moved the PC too far away). Combat mods can have an effect too.
kapibar Posted October 19, 2020 Author Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: ohoh, whipping again? ? What mod triggers the whipping in this case? I know that Pet Project has a scene where whipping is glitched and would need a fix from the author. SD+ has sometimes trouble (if something is between the whipping NPC and PC, or the whipping moved the PC too far away). Combat mods can have an effect too. Sorry to disappoint. It's actually all of them that fail. Slaverun, Captured Dreams (altough I'm not sure if I even should have it anymore), basically if there's a whipping scene, there will be freeze, SD+ included. The NPC just stops mid-move and can be moved again only by disabling/enabling.
donttouchmethere Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 Drop a Load Order. Did you overwrite ZAP in any way (again)? FINS: any errors or animation duplicates in consistence check? (also drop you FNIS output into the thread) To make glitch hunting easier, keep the core mods always on the same spot in LO (related to the mods that are connected to them at least) and don't overwrite them with anything (unless a mod author explains why you have to or if it makes any sense). Core mods would be DDa, ZAP, XPMSE, FNIS in your case. FNIS overwrites and ZAP overwrites can be critical in this case (like some combat mods like to do, with overwrite I mean FNIS file overwrites not necessary the load order). Do you have any attack animation replacer? Do you have any mod that effects the whips? Also possible: > NPC gets distracted by another mod (like wants to have sex with another NPC, wants to idle/autobox somewhere really badly) > dirty save? if you add remove mods on your running game you might need to clean your save with FallrimTools in case something got stuck > lots of active scripts running? check save for active scripts and suspended stacks Maybe gives a hint too: > Conflict research in Tes5edit
kapibar Posted October 20, 2020 Author Posted October 20, 2020 @donttouchmethere My LO: Spoiler Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm MiasLair.esp Devious Devices - Integration.esm daymoyl.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm DeviousFramework.esm hdtHighHeel.esm Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm Heretical Resources.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHairMales.esm RaceCompatibility.esm ApachiiHair.esm Heels Sound.esm RSkyrimChildren.esm SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Amputator.esm BeeingFemale.esm Paradise_City_RESOURCES.esm PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp SlaveTats.esp SkyUI.esp Kanna Hair.esp SGEyebrows.esp SLAnimLoader.esp Purewaters.esp RaceMenu.esp FreckleMania.esp LindsMerEyes.esp FNISSexyMove.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp JKs LITE - Towns BETA.esp SexLabDefeat.esp NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp SD Cages.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp MoreBanditCamps(Original-Edition).esp Namiras Decorations.esp ZaForswornStory.esp Settlements Expanded.esp Trapped in Rubber.esp hydra_slavegirls.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp LightArmorClothes.esp SexLab Confabulation.esp Captured Dreams.esp bwitch.esp SimplyKnock.esp ColorfulLightsNoShadows.esp mslDeviousCaptures.esp NIOVHH.esp LindsElvenEyesReplacer.esp SerialStrip.esp SerialStripper.esp SexistGuards.esp SkyrimConfigMenu.esp SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp UIExtensions.esp CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp SkyTweak.esp SL Survival.esp Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp marriagemod - alpha v3.esp JKs SuperLITE - Cities.esp JobsofSkyrim.esp Devious Looting.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp EbRestrictiveBootsTransAA.esp AIMFIX.esp sanguinesDebauchery.esp pchsImmersivePlugs.esp Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp SexLab_DibellaCult.esp CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp SLALAnimObj.esp SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp Critical Hit.esp DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp TKDodge.esp UltimateCombat.esp PsycheAnimationObjects.esp SL Deadly Drain.esp Hydra Devious Devices Patch.esp Minou Maid Suit CBBE TBBP.esp DD_Helpers.esp Shimmer Heels.esp Animated Dragon Wings.esp ExtraLevelPerks.esp Dawnguard - Join As A Vampire.esp Vampire No Sunlight Blur.esp Devious Loading Screens.esp ContinueGameNoCrash.esp Aradia Cross Armor.esp EquipableStockings.esp Gatti3Evilrose.esp Aradia Leather Armour NIND.esp Aradia Devious Expansion.esp Angeli Devious Expansion.esp Trapped in Rubber Replace.esp FleshFX.esp Naked Heels.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp Devious Devices For Him.esp Blush When Aroused.esp VioLens.esp PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp Bijin NPCs.esp PetCollar.esp Atlas Legendary.esp CagedFollowers.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp ELFX - Weathers.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Vivid Weathers.esp Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp Devious Lore.esp Slaverun_Reloaded.esp zdd.esp Deviously Cursed Loot.esp DeviousFollowers.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp Deviously Vanilla - AIO.esp Laura's Bondage Shop.esp Devious Cidhna.esp S_L_U_T_S.esp CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp SimpleSlavery.esp SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp FallOfTheDragonborn.esp hmkLockOn.esp Prison.esp AngrimApprentice.esp yps-ImmersivePiercing.esp OreMerchant.esp daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp Deviously Enslaved.esp TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp PetProject.esp SexLab Eager NPCs.esp BeautifulCorpse.esp DeviousCarriages.esp garm_black.esp submissivelola_est.esp Namira'sGoat.esp More shiny catsuits.esp BBD_Nova.esp SD Patches.esp LycHairstyler.esp SD Addons.esp Devious Devices - Equip.esp dcc-dm2.esp Spank That Ass.esp Estruk_XDFF_Custom.esp vwr IdleMarkers.esp BBD_CatsuitSpearhead.esp StrangeRunes.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Deviously Vanilla - Feminine Masque.esp SSG_Tattoos.esp TheSeamstressGuild2.0.esp Peril.esp Masque of Clavicus Vile.esp EFFStandCosMenu.esp FacelightPlus.esp KziitdFeitshSet-BdsmMaidDD.esp NewmillerPiercings2.esp NewmillerPiercings3.esp BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp BFAP v1.3.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp Tiwa44_Minidresses.esp Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn.esp KS Hairdo's.esp Holiday Gift Hairdos.esp Skyrim 2017 TPTC - Parallax Maps.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Paradise_City_Merged.esp Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp SMIM-Merged-NoDragonborn.esp SplashofRain.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Requiem.esp Requiem - No Messages.esp Requiem - No Overencumbered Messages.esp Requiem - Restored Rewarding Sounds.esp Requiem - Restored Saving Messages.esp Requiem - Vanilla Dragonborn DLC.esp Requiem - Vanilla Follower Perks.esp Requiem for the Indifferent.esp CobbVampShade.esp Predator Vision.esp VioLens - Requiem Patch.esp ImmerslaveRequiemBountyFix.esp WetFunction.esp vampire face fix for wetfunction.esp female mannequins.esp FNIS.esp FNIS_PCEA2.esp FNIS_PCEA2RaceSwitchFix.esp XPMSE.esp SexLab FadeBlack.esp RDO - Requiem Patch.esp PaulicusRequiemTweaks.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp pchsWartimes.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp Devious Bashnag.esp Bandit_Honeypot.esp ccas_starts.esp ImmerSlave.esp da_alternate_start_extension.esp kzy_AlternateStart.esp Isharas_CustomPlayerBody.esp Ciceriareplacor.esp RSChildren.esp RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp rsc-racecompat-noelves.esp BeeingFemale_RS_Patch.esp Aesthetic Elisif.esp DBCO_ALL_IN_ONE.esp The Ordinary Women.esp erikmature.esp Serana.esp Valerica.esp College of Winterhold NPC Impovement.esp Bijin AIO.esp LB VampLord.esp >Did you overwrite ZAP in any way (again)? Nope. Not this time. Actually, the last time I had this error, but it wasn't pissing me off all that much. >FINS: any errors or animation duplicates in consistence check? (also drop you FNIS output into the thread) Nope, nothing alarming. >Do you have any attack animation replacer? Probably. Frankly I completely forgot I have them :P. I'll check if they are the problem. >Do you have any mod that effects the whips? Nope. Other than that - the save is clean and quite fresh, I don't think this is a script issue, rather an animation conflict. Oh, and by the way - thanks for the assists yet again. I'll get back to you when I check the combat animations.
donttouchmethere Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, kapibar said: TKDodge.esp UltimateCombat.esp Make sure those don't overwrite FNIS files. They work even if you don't overwrite FNIS files In LO I would also keep them above FNIS (but that might be just my superstition) 53 minutes ago, kapibar said: ELFX - Exteriors.esp ELFX - Weathers.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Vivid Weathers.esp Vivid Weathers - Extended Snow.esp Doesn't effect whipping, but why would you have multiple weather mods? Only the last one will win (if you are lucky), unless you have a patch that needs both of them. 55 minutes ago, kapibar said: FNIS.esp FNIS_PCEA2.esp FNIS_PCEA2RaceSwitchFix.esp PCEA? Arghs, I can't help with that, I have no idea how that can effect the whipping scene 56 minutes ago, kapibar said: AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp 57 minutes ago, kapibar said: EFFStandCosMenu.esp I guess EFFStandCOSMenu has nothing to do with EFF Follower System right? You have some evil mix of big devious LL quest mods there. How do you manage to play them together?
kapibar Posted October 20, 2020 Author Posted October 20, 2020 @donttouchmethere >but why would you have multiple weather mods? Frankly - it's because I totally forgot they're there :P. >PCEA? Arghs, I can't help with that, I have no idea how that can effect the whipping scene Well, I'll just treat it as suspicious and try to kill it when I have a chance. >I guess EFFStandCOSMenu has nothing to do with EFF Follower System right? It's a cosmetic menu spell. At least I think it is. >You have some evil mix of big devious LL quest mods there. How do you manage to play them together? Trials and errors, man. Trials and errors. The base of my LO is quite old, never changed it because I don't even remember what these mods do. From what I gathered the whipping is the last thing that refuses to work properly, other than that the game is quite stable. Except when it isn't, but that's Skyrim. It's unstable when it's installed.
donttouchmethere Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, kapibar said: It's a cosmetic menu spell. At least I think it is. Does it work? If it's an EFF plugin you might get issues without EFF (you're using AFT atm for followers) If it works I wanna have it too lol EDIT: found it https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/93112?tab=posts does it work for you? 1 hour ago, kapibar said: Except when it isn't, but that's Skyrim. It's unstable when it's installed. That's the wrong mind setting. The base setup should be stable and work for hours without CTD or glitches. If you have regularly glitches and CTD than your Setup is just bad and it's the user that is unstable and not Skyrim ^^ I talk from experience! ?
donttouchmethere Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, kapibar said: I don't even remember what these mods do. That will make any bug hunting very hard o.o I guess you are not using the various SRR patches either from the SRR topic? I would say: throw everything out you don't remember. Some mods in your LO don't go well together, at least not if you trigger them all at once lol
donttouchmethere Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, kapibar said: Critical Hit.esp uiuiui, what if your whipping NPC try to backstab you with that whip and can't? xD (because they are stuck in a whipping scene)
kapibar Posted October 20, 2020 Author Posted October 20, 2020 @donttouchmethere >Does it work? Yeah, it does what it's supposed to do. >If you have regularly glitches and CTD than your Setup is just bad and it's the user that is unstable and not Skyrim ^^ Regularly? Nah. It's standard, usual Skyrim fuckery. The same things can be encountered on the console. Sometimes the loading fails, some locations cause CTD from time to time, some quests don't trigger... Skyrim wasn't exactly bug free to begin with. I remember my first playthrough on console. The mammoth flew away from the fight, then the game crashed. >That will make any bug hunting very hard o.o Actually I have yet to trigger any whipping scene, but I have a feeling that you were right on the money with combat animation. I had at least one and from what I recall the bug started around the same time I installed shitload of animation mods. >I would say: throw everything out you don't remember. Yeah, that's the last last resort, like I said - this setup is semi-stable and playable. I encountered pretty much every bug in the book, if something works by some sort of daedric magic I'll take it. But I'll keep you posted on my findings.
donttouchmethere Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, kapibar said: But I'll keep you posted on my findings. It's scary if you say it like that ?
kapibar Posted October 20, 2020 Author Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: It's scary if you say it like that ? Well, OK, that came out a little off. Or maybe not...? xD
kapibar Posted October 27, 2020 Author Posted October 27, 2020 Hey @donttouchmethere. I've been somewhat busy and I haven't had chance to check everything, but for now it seems that animation pack isn't the culprit. I'm testing if critical hit is the cause, but triggering whipping may take some time. Anyway, I'm going through your suggestions one by one, I'll get back to you when I have something more solid.
kapibar Posted October 27, 2020 Author Posted October 27, 2020 Damn. I disabled every major thing that might've caused this conflict and no dice, the freeze persist. Do you have any more educated guesses?
donttouchmethere Posted October 28, 2020 Posted October 28, 2020 Only other idea would be to remove mods until the freeze stops, starting with the oldest ones ? Maybe create a papyrus log and check if you get warnings during a whipping scene?
kapibar Posted October 28, 2020 Author Posted October 28, 2020 @donttouchmethere then I suppose I'll have to learn to live with this bug. There's no chance that I'll be able to do such a thing anytime soon .
donttouchmethere Posted October 28, 2020 Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, kapibar said: @donttouchmethere then I suppose I'll have to learn to live with this bug. There's no chance that I'll be able to do such a thing anytime soon . I know that feeling and I wish I would know the exact reason for this to happen to save you from that. My only other idea would be creating a papyrus log of the whipping scene and post it so some might be able to see an error in there related to whipping. You could also check with console what scripts are running on the PC, maybe that gives a clue. I think I had that issue too long ago (unrelated to mod scenes that can also cause that). I never found out why it happened, but I'm also brutal to my LO and removed and rebuild a lot, while just hoping I caught the conflicting mod. That's actually a permanently ongoing process >.< Like you I try to have as many devious mods in one game, also trying to have always the newest stuff, but that slowly changes. If I had a LO composition like you atm I would lower the amount of mods that have whipping scenes and remove all combat mods and would check if ZAP installation is still A-Okay. What you could also do - but what only helps if the NPC don't are effected by any script permanently - is to check in TES5edit if anything conflicts with ZAP whips or mod scenes. Btw, did I ever ask what mod triggered the failed whipping scene? ?
donttouchmethere Posted October 28, 2020 Posted October 28, 2020 There is one more thing, but I fear the chance it has anything to do with it is very slim. ZAP MCM last tab deactivate the tick box for animation testing. Do you see me grasping at straws? ^^
kapibar Posted October 28, 2020 Author Posted October 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: Do you see me grasping at straws? ^^ Your grasping at straws is still helluva lot more educated than me decimating my LO, which I did by the way. I killed off majority of my plugins and it didn't work. ZAP MCM also did nothing, unfortunately. >Btw, did I ever ask what mod triggered the failed whipping scene? ? You sure did, and I responded that every mod has this issue. Currently I'm doing testing on the Slaverun, but basically every whipping scene ends the same way - there's a first combo and the freeze occurs during a power attack. At this moment I'm almost certain that this wasn't caused by combat mods, as they were all killed at one point or another. >My only other idea would be creating a papyrus log No idea how to to that >check in TES5edit if anything conflicts with ZAP whips or mod scenes. Yup. Don't know how to do it (I believe you'll see the pattern). >You could also check with console what scripts are running on the PC, maybe that gives a clue. Again - no idea which command to use. But this might give you a clue - the freeze does not occur exclusively when the PC is in the scene. It's the same when the NPC whips an NPC. I'm somewhat certain that this isn't caused by any plugin mod, as most of them were switched off at some point (I had to kill off plugins in groups, as an extensive shut down would brake the loading). But this is just a theory, and as my knowledge is limited at best - an uneducated one.
Kingslayer101 Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 Was there any solution to your problem @kapibar ? I too have that issue and it happens in Prison Overhaul too.
kapibar Posted January 26, 2021 Author Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Kingslayer101 said: Was there any solution to your problem @kapibar ? I too have that issue and it happens in Prison Overhaul too. I'm not exactly sure. It seems to be solved, at least in the previous shape of the bug. As I recall, the culprit was pretty combat animation, or some other combat animation overhaul, and this is where I'd start. Just get rid of everything that is messing with one handed and rebuild from there.
Kingslayer101 Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, kapibar said: I'm not exactly sure. It seems to be solved, at least in the previous shape of the bug. As I recall, the culprit was pretty combat animation, or some other combat animation overhaul, and this is where I'd start. Just get rid of everything that is messing with one handed and rebuild from there. Oh I have Pretty combat anims too. I'll take a look, thanks.
iggypop1 Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 On 10/28/2020 at 11:58 AM, kapibar said: No idea how to to that Here is how to set papyrus-logging up.........dont have it runnung all the time when you have finished troubleshooting turn "enable logging" to 0
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