Outdoors Enemy Aggro is Borked

[Kaiden69]

I've had this problem for awhile now, where enemies outdoors won't aggro properly. This takes the form of hostile enemies, most notably around bandit camps, not aggroing past certain distances of their camps, or past an invisible circle near their camp. Even after attacking them past this invisible circle, they would not aggro. Their red dots would flash for a split second, as if they were going to start attacking, yet they stay in a relaxing state. It was most notable with the Warzones mod installed, which I thought to be the issue. I have since removed it for a new game, yet the problem still persists. It's somewhat intrusive, but not completely game breaking. I've Googled the problem several times, trying different wordings each time, to see if anyone else has reported this problem, but always come up empty. I usually just ignore it, but now I figure what's the harm in asking the more knowledgeable peeps of LL. Below is my load order. I also have several non-plugin mods, such as Engine Fixes, and Display tweaks, and the likes. I can provide any other details if needed. Any help would be appreciated.

 

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Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
SexLab.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
FISS.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
RCOTS-RACES.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SexLab Attraction.esm
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp
NSUTR_improvements.esp
Dolomite Weathers.esp
Immersive Movement.esp
DrSKnapsacks.esp
SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp
MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
CommunityOverlays2_31T50.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
AI Overhaul.esp
AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp
ArmorMerge.esp
MoreBanditCamps.esp
SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp
SexLab_Solutions.esp
MihailMerge.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
OwnCivilWar.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets SSE.esp
Aesthetic Elisif.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
WeaponMerge.esp
OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp
CBBE.esp
Improved Adoptions.esp
Improved Adoptions Patch.esp
SurvivalConfig.esp
Aurlyn.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Improved Adoptions DLC Houses.esp
mihaillegion.esp
FullyEquippedBlacksmiths.esp
DragonboneBarbarianArmor.esp
AnimatedEatingRedux.esp
VioLens SE.esp
Enchanting Freedom.esp
Phenderix Magic Evolved.esp
notice board.esp
Maxine - Zombie Follower.esp
SexLab Eager NPCs.esp
OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
SexLab Approach.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
AnubAnimObj.esp
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
SexLab Vanilla Voices.esp
Apropos2.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
J42_ArmorRatingRedux.esp
AutoHideAmmo.esp
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
AIO SE TATTOOS.esp
Character Creation Overhaul.esp
CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp
Customizable Camera.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
TheCleaner.esp
SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrimSE.esp
Draconic Bloodline.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
Elemental_Staffs.esp
EnchantedArsenal.esp
FNIS.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
Faction Crossbows.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp
Fertility Mode.esp
Rikushai_Flamebringer_Tattoo.esp
Footprints.esp
getSnowy.esp
GoToBed-Dovahkiinrelax-patch.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
IHSS.esp
InstantMining.esp
SLAL_K4Anims.esp
Luna_GoV.esp
LazyHeels.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
TissHeadTrack.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
MassMatchMakerSE.esp
n8kLittleCarmineDress.esp
Immersive Movement - Wildcat Patch.esp
NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
NMNEB.esp
No NPC Greetings.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp
RSChildren.esp
OthersDaughter.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
SexLabTools.esp
Player Size Adjuster.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
PsycheAnimationObjects.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
RideSharing.esp
Runandwalkpaces.esp
SLA Monitor Widget.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
NibblesAnimObjects.esp
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SOS - RCOTS.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
Serana.esp
SexLab Romance.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
SlaveTats.esp
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
TKDodge.esp
The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
UIExtensions.esp
UndeadFX.esp
SignatureEquipment.esp
Valerica.esp
VWA_VanillaWarpaintsAbsolution.esp
WhitePhialBetterAlignments.esp
WyldMenuPlugFemale.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
imp_helm_Immersive_Armors.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
GoToBed.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
WyldMenuPlugMale.esp
XPMSE.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
imp_helm_USSEP.esp
MehrunesRazorFix.esp
TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
KryptopyrsCCORMerge.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
LON Dim - Apoc Ord.esp
KryptopyrsOrdinatorMerge.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
ETaC - Complete No Snow Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Landscape For Grass Mods -Immersive Citizens PATCH.esp
ETaC - Complete RSC Patch.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Smashed Patch.esp
 

 

[Kaiden69]

Bump.

[anjenthedog]

Sounds like you might be experiencing a faction issue.  (at least it seems most likely) The only time that's happened to me is when some animation sequence fails at the wrong time and a temporary truce (SL) is called by its scripts while the deed is done, but since the animation fails (for instance, a third enemy group  - dragon, troll, whatever - attacks and interrupts the scene, or the script otherwise just borks for whatever reason), and I'm left stuck in that truce state (it;'s been quite a while, thankfully). Just like one is sometimes stuck without the ability to pan, or to move, or has some other "accidental" lean placed on their normal operational abilities - for instance,  FG has now started firing a "tm" at the beginning of its animations and often doesn't exit properly, so when it does fail to reset, the user is left with zero UI, not even console ***appears*** to work (although it still does, it just doesn't echo to screen) . Or the old Flame Astronach "dripping tail of fire" or "Draghur eyes" players were  sometimes saddled with under certain interactions (battle gone wrong in that case) 

 

For me, the answer is simple. open an earlier save before this happened.  The symptoms are easy to explain, but the reason why they occurred isn't.  But I'm lazy.

 

If that "Sword of Absolutely No Real Worth" or 3 flawless emeralds or the 5 pieces of ebony ore you mined, or the shout you learned, or the 3 dragon bones, 2 Elven arrows, some second rate piece of enchanted Iron armor, and a few sheckels (gold) means that much that you can't do it again, best wishes figuring out how to remedy it or continuing to play the game for an extended period with the problem still in evidence.

 

 

[Kaiden69]

22 hours ago, anjenthedog said:

Sounds like you might be experiencing a faction issue.  (at least it seems most likely) The only time that's happened to me is when some animation sequence fails at the wrong time and a temporary truce (SL) is called by its scripts while the deed is done, but since the animation fails (for instance, a third enemy group  - dragon, troll, whatever - attacks and interrupts the scene, or the script otherwise just borks for whatever reason), and I'm left stuck in that truce state (it;'s been quite a while, thankfully). Just like one is sometimes stuck without the ability to pan, or to move, or has some other "accidental" lean placed on their normal operational abilities - for instance,  FG has now started firing a "tm" at the beginning of its animations and often doesn't exit properly, so when it does fail to reset, the user is left with zero UI, not even console ***appears*** to work (although it still does, it just doesn't echo to screen) . Or the old Flame Astronach "dripping tail of fire" or "Draghur eyes" players were  sometimes saddled with under certain interactions (battle gone wrong in that case) 

 

For me, the answer is simple. open an earlier save before this happened.  The symptoms are easy to explain, but the reason why they occurred isn't.  But I'm lazy.

 

If that "Sword of Absolutely No Real Worth" or 3 flawless emeralds or the 5 pieces of ebony ore you mined, or the shout you learned, or the 3 dragon bones, 2 Elven arrows, some second rate piece of enchanted Iron armor, and a few sheckels (gold) means that much that you can't do it again, best wishes figuring out how to remedy it or continuing to play the game for an extended period with the problem still in evidence.

 

 

I appreciate your input. The old "load a previous save" method would not work, because this is an ongoing issue with my game. Even new games have this problem.

[anjenthedog]

1 hour ago, Kaiden69 said:

I appreciate your input. The old "load a previous save" method would not work, because this is an ongoing issue with my game. Even new games have this problem

Hmm... well that implies a mod. Which one idk, but the fact that it happens even with new games is a dead giveaway it's not a glitch source.

 

Sorry I got nuffin. Best of luck

[Just Don't]

Reminds me of the issues with MEZF if you use the all exteriors plugin. That mod edits encounter zones and apply them even in exteriors. The problem is there are combat boundaries, so enemies won't detect or follow you forever. Usually these boundaries are tied to the game cells (example a single interior location is a cell), but if you apply them in the exterior weird things happen (because the overworld isn't just one single huge cell, instead is multiple cells stitched together). I don't see that mod in particular in your loadorder, but your issue could be caused by a mod doing the same/similar edits the mod I mention does.

 

There is a workaround which is using Enemies follow me which makes so NPCs ignore combat boundaries . I wouldn't recommend it just for the sake of solving your issue (because it's just a workaround, not a fix really) and it might have unwanted side effects (for example enemies can follow you even through loading doors). But you could use that mod to check if your issue goes away. If that's the case, you can keep that mod in your game, or find a more permanent solution by checking your mods in xEdit and find the mod editing encounter zones.

[Kaiden69]

1 hour ago, dontknowdontcaredontask said:

Reminds me of the issues with MEZF if you use the all exteriors plugin. That mod edits encounter zones and apply them even in exteriors. The problem is there are combat boundaries, so enemies won't detect or follow you forever. Usually these boundaries are tied to the game cells (example a single interior location is a cell), but if you apply them in the exterior weird things happen (because the overworld isn't just one single huge cell, instead is multiple cells stitched together). I don't see that mod in particular in your loadorder, but your issue could be caused by a mod doing the same/similar edits the mod I mention does.

 

There is a workaround which is using Enemies follow me which makes so NPCs ignore combat boundaries . I wouldn't recommend it just for the sake of solving your issue (because it's just a workaround, not a fix really) and it might have unwanted side effects (for example enemies can follow you even through loading doors). But you could use that mod to check if your issue goes away. If that's the case, you can keep that mod in your game, or find a more permanent solution by checking your mods in xEdit and find the mod editing encounter zones.

I do actually have that mod installed, but it wasn't saved in that plugin list with ReSaver... odd. I'll give the Enemies follow me a try. Thank you for your observation!

[Kaiden69]

Turns out adding the Enemies follow me mod did NOT fix my problem. Will now try the MEZF Vanilla version of the mod.

Update: Changing from MEZF All Exteriors to MEZF Vanilla fixed the problem. Whew.