Kingmusicmanz Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 Hi there, this is my first post, so please don't be too harsh on me if I miss something. Quick edit here: I am using the most up-to-date version of oldrim, with all DLC installed. My problem is simple, whenever I get close to Winterhold, I crash to desktop. This only happens when I get too close to Winterhold, I've even tried starting a new game where I start out at the college of Winterhold, loaded up just fine, ran around the whole building, then tried to leave across the bridge, and crashed before I made it to the 2nd magelight torch. I've been travelling around to every other hold for almost 20 levels with zero issues, low loadtimes, etc, but, Winterhold specifically is giving me issues. I've tried a few things to fix this, such as: running LOOT to fix my load order, running TES5Edit quick cleaner on any dirty mods that LOOT gave me a warning about (save where LOOT mentioned that the mod maker intended for those ITMs/deleted registers), uninstalled a few more mods, and even ran BOSS because I read it in the forum post "read this before posting", and BOSS told me that LOOT was the better option. Now, I'm here, because I don't want to (for the 4th time since I started this particular modding adventure) slowly disable and re-enable mods until I get rid of the issue. Below, you'll find both my load order as well as my Papyrus log. Speaking of which, in my Papyrus log, it makes a LOT of references to something called "eogeom" and I'm pretty sure that it's what's causing the issue, but the problem is, I have no idea what eogeom is, so if someone else knows, so I can disable that mod, please let me know. Also I have no idea if a papyrus log is supposed to be full to the brim of errors, so if that is not how it's supposed to be (which I suspect is the case) if someone could also maybe let me know what steps I can take to fix that? I'm willing to do pretty much whatever is necessary aside from like, manually editing mods with the creation kit, or merging mods, as I'd rather install less mods than have that many. If I flagrantly missed something that most people should have already done, just tell me what and I'll go do it to the best of my ability. 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Falskaar.esm 6 6 ApachiiHair.esm 7 7 RaceCompatibility.esm 8 8 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 9 9 JSwords.esm 10 a Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm 11 b Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 12 c SexLab.esm 13 d SexLabAroused.esm 14 e DarkHaven.esm 15 f NPCs.esm 16 10 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 17 11 GenderBender.esm 18 12 CreatureFramework.esm 19 13 SomeguySeries.esm 20 14 Vigilant.esm 21 15 RSkyrimChildren.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 22 16 AMatterOfTime.esp 23 17 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 24 18 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 25 19 SexLabDefeat.esp 26 1a JSwords_Load_Screens.esp 27 1b RaceMenu.esp 28 1c RaceMenuPlugin.esp 29 1d UIExtensions.esp 30 1e SkyUI.esp 31 1f Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp 32 20 Ghosu - Weapon Pack 1.esp 33 21 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 34 22 ISD_DragonspearCraft.esp 35 23 mancika_templarset.esp 36 24 NightingaleCrossbow.esp 37 25 SamuraiArmor.esp 38 26 Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp 39 27 Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp 40 28 Unique Dragon Priest Masks.esp 41 29 viciousdawnbreaker.esp 42 2a WeaponsOf3E - No Leveled Lists.esp 43 2b Dr_BandolierDG.esp 44 2c DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp 45 2d SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp 46 2e SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 47 2f SOSRaceMenu.esp 48 30 DarkHaven.esp 49 31 NorseWorlds.esp 50 32 northern_encounters2.esp 51 33 3DNPC.esp 52 34 ETaC - Complete.esp 53 35 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 54 36 DarkTower.esp 55 37 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 56 38 Descentintomadness2.esp 57 39 Here There Be Monsters.esp 58 3a Here There Be Monsters - Call of Cthulhu.esp 59 3b ApachiiHairStyles.esp 60 3c Undeath.esp 61 3d ApachiiHairStylesELVES.esp 62 3e Distin.esp 63 3f DragonStar.esp 64 40 Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 65 41 _WhirlwindSprintLP.esp 66 42 Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 67 43 followingmercer.esp 68 44 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 69 45 Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp 70 46 Kynesguard.esp 71 47 TheChoiceIsYours.esp 72 48 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 73 49 Cults of Skyrim.esp 74 4a Dwarfsphere.esp 75 4b Here There Be Monsters - Curse of Cipactli.esp 76 4c zMirai.esp 77 4d BloodWitchArmor.esp 78 4e Immersive Weapons.esp 79 4f Unique Uniques.esp 80 50 Insanity's Dragonbane.esp 81 51 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp 82 52 WVExpansion.esp 83 53 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp 84 54 RealisticWaterTwo - 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Shop.esp 124 7c Conan_Hyborian_Age.esp 125 7d TearofAbyss.esp 126 7e bobsarmory.esp 127 7f The Huntsman.esp 128 80 Armored Circlets.esp 129 81 Ghosu - Auriel.esp 130 82 Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp 131 83 GDZZJJDH.esp 132 84 StormLord.esp 133 85 Troll Hunter Armor by Hothtrooper44.esp 134 86 Dr_Bandolier.esp 135 87 FH_Plaguesword.esp 136 88 AddChoices01.esp 137 89 SilverDragonArmor.esp 138 8a HentaiCreatures.esp 139 8b SexLabAnimalSex.esp FNISspells.esp 140 8c Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp 141 8d RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp 142 8e RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp 143 8f IcePenguinWorldMap.esp FNIS.esp 144 90 AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp 145 91 CL EbonyWeaponsStandalone.esp 146 92 CL OrcishWeapon's.esp 147 93 DragonCarvedArmorSet.esp 148 94 sr_FillHerUp.esp 149 95 awesome armor.esp BDIC.esp 150 96 DCR_KingCrusaderArmor.esp 151 97 ETaC - Complete RSC Patch.esp 152 98 ElementalArrows.esp 153 99 Lozenge S130 Longsword.esp 154 9a SLALAnimObj.esp 155 9b NoldorArmor.esp 156 9c 1M_orbs.esp 157 9d bhabhilon.esp 158 9e Here There Be Monsters - 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Psalam Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, Kingmusicmanz said: My problem is simple, whenever I get close to Winterhold, I crash to desktop. CTD in the same location is almost always a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. While I could make some wild guesses I don't know half the mods in your load order and I am not aware of one (or more) causing this issue. You should consider which ones are likely to change how things look around Winterhold as your most likely culprits however. These don't necessarily change the looks of buildings either. Impacting the looks of local creatures or NPCs can do this just as well. As a side note, Papyrus logs are usually not useful in determining the cause of a CTD. There is a sound technical reason for this (the log doesn't complete when there is a CTD so what you see comes, in computer time frames, well before the crash).
Kingmusicmanz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Psalam said: CTD in the same location is almost always a bad mesh/texture added by a mod. Right, and I read as much as well, which is what sent me uninstalling some more mods, as well as cleaning everything with TES5Edit, is there any way I can directly see which meshes/textures are screwing up? I'm really just trying to see if there's a better alternative to "disabling mods pseudo-randomly for 4 hours until the problem magically dissapears"
Psalam Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Kingmusicmanz said: Right, and I read as much as well, which is what sent me uninstalling some more mods, as well as cleaning everything with TES5Edit, is there any way I can directly see which meshes/textures are screwing up? I'm really just trying to see if there's a better alternative to "disabling mods pseudo-randomly for 4 hours until the problem magically dissapears" Sadly, no. There is no shortcut for this. It is why old-timers (like me) warn newcomers that you need to build your load order slowly (as you could see in my blog). Generally it pays to limit yourself to 10 mods added at a time (excluding simple armors since they rarely give a problem).
Kingmusicmanz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Posted June 28, 2020 Just now, Psalam said: Sadly, no. There is no shortcut for this. It is why old-timers (like me) warn newcomers that you need to build your load order slowly (as you could see in my blog). Generally it pays to limit yourself to 10 mods added at a time (excluding simple armors since they rarely give a problem). Ah damn, I figured as much, I been modding for a while myself (pretty much since skyrim hit steam) and I always hated this particular part the most. I'm not usually one to try and join communities like this so I never really was active on any forums, but I decided to come here cos I finally got fed up and hoped beyond hope that someone had a real solution, but if that's not the case, then, well, guess it's time to start disabling! Wish me luck, thanks for the help Psalam.
Psalam Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Kingmusicmanz said: Ah damn, I figured as much, I been modding for a while myself (pretty much since skyrim hit steam) and I always hated this particular part the most. I'm not usually one to try and join communities like this so I never really was active on any forums, but I decided to come here cos I finally got fed up and hoped beyond hope that someone had a real solution, but if that's not the case, then, well, guess it's time to start disabling! Wish me luck, thanks for the help Psalam. Good luck and you're welcome.
Grey Cloud Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Kingmusicmanz said: disabling mods pseudo-randomly for 4 hours until the problem magically dissapears" If you can't spot any obvious suspect in your mod list (not just your load order) then there is no quick fix. Semi-quick fix if it works - try to narrow down where the crashes happen by approaching Winterhold from various directions, day and night and any other variable you can think of. be Assuming it is a mesh, we may be wrong, it could be anything - rock, plant, animal, wall, armour, etc. so try to spot something different. As @Psalam has said, this is usually down to a bad mesh so therefore the mod it will not necessarily be in your load order (it may not have a plug-in). Start a new game with a bare-bones set of mods (AS LAL etc) go to Winterhold. Add another 10 mods go to Winterhold and so on.
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