Height Slider problem in sex animation

[Mhell]

Hello everyone, my first post here.

I like to put on my sims extreme high heels, I use the "redheadsims-ts4-TeaserPlataformSandalV2_SLIDER" to adjust their walk in it, but when they have sex the height difference is not compensated in the animations. (I made a lot of tests with a lot of them, also with some made by patreon creator I support)

The option in Wicked Whims seems to not work anymore, as in the past. 

Any suggestion? Change slider? Or I simply give up the idea to see my sims walk without glitchy appearances in the game?

 

Thank you in advance, and to all modders and animators: THANK YOU! 

[Mhell]

No one?

[Oops19]

Personally I gave up the idea of using height sliders. Bathing in heels in island living or floating with sandals looked bad.

Unless one writes a mod which kicks in after outfit changes and adjusts floating and leg scaling based on the selected shoe I'm out.

 

[Mhell]

6 hours ago, Oops19 said:

Personally I gave up the idea of using height sliders. Bathing in heels in island living or floating with sandals looked bad.

Unless one writes a mod which kicks in after outfit changes and adjusts floating and leg scaling based on the selected shoe I'm out.

 

I feel you man.  just I reduce the sim height just before sex. It's painful, but I won't gave up extreme Heels.

[Afro68]

6 hours ago, Oops19 said:

Personally I gave up the idea of using height sliders. Bathing in heels in island living or floating with sandals looked bad.

Unless one writes a mod which kicks in after outfit changes and adjusts floating and leg scaling based on the selected shoe I'm out.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Mhell said:

I feel you man.  just I reduce the sim height just before sex. It's painful, but I won't gave up extreme Heels.

 

I messaged Turbo when he first added slider function to WW but it was only for the height slider and it doesn't really work like I'd want. He told me it would be kinda problematic to have it work for multiple sliders so it was the height slider. I don't even bother with either. One thing I truly miss in Sim 4 is the ability to have heels similar to Josh Q's Impossible series without having to use a slider. Feels bad but I just do without.

[Mhell]

18 hours ago, TheAfr0Samurai said:

 

 

I messaged Turbo when he first added slider function to WW but it was only for the height slider and it doesn't really work like I'd want. He told me it would be kinda problematic to have it work for multiple sliders so it was the height slider. I don't even bother with either. One thing I truly miss in Sim 4 is the ability to have heels similar to Josh Q's Impossible series without having to use a slider. Feels bad but I just do without.

I thought my slider could work, and it did in previous versions of WV (a couple back I think) . There's still the option though...anyway not a big deal, just trying to give some feedback to improve a great, great, great mod. 

[LuversLab92]

On 5/3/2020 at 1:09 AM, Mhell said:

I thought my slider could work, and it did in previous versions of WV (a couple back I think) . There's still the option though...anyway not a big deal, just trying to give some feedback to improve a great, great, great mod. 

The basic problem with height sliders is that it's a mathematical challenge/impossibility to code in a way that the scale would be understood by all of the animations. I'm pretty sure that's why EA never did it.  All of the PG animations would have to be completely redone for every height adjustment.  The simple decision was to simply make teens the same height as adults.

 

I think the best solution would to simply write the python script to "undo" the height slider before sex animations, and then re-apply it after.   You'd have to code the mod to "save" the height and restore it after the animation.

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

Damn.. I came here looking for some hope but this thread is just depressing instead, lol.

[LuversLab92]

9 minutes ago, Z0mBieP00Nani said:

Damn.. I came here looking for some hope but this thread is just depressing instead, lol.

Well, the complaints come from outside WW.  It was always strange seeing teens having the same height as adults.  Or that female sims could not be taller than male sims.  Yeah, but I don't know of any game that can handle height adjustments.

[G315t]

Maybe I can give you some insight why this does not work and will never work in the Sims 4. 

 

Sims uses regular prerendered keyframe animations. Which means that every animation for every actor is made for every size of a model. The games tech does not allow for other animations. This kind of animations can never adjust on the fly to changes in the body size, height, or lenght of arms/legs and so on. Imagine it as if you watch a movie. If you want a different actor to be in the scene you have to record the complete scene again with the different actor. 

If you want, lets say 8 different height values for your sims, you need to make each animation in 8 versions. If you want two sims to interact with each other (for example hugging or WW sex animations) and want to allow 8 different body sizes you need 64 versions of each animation.  And we are talking about EVERY single animation in this game, that has to be made for every single combination of body sizes you want to make available.

Thats the reason why teens in sims are the same size as adults. It saves time, ressources (system memory) and money that is needed to create and refine and use animations in the engine.  

 

There is new tech out there that does allow games to create animations with different body sizes that are changed on the fly by the engine if it is needed. But this is not available in Sims (and will not be available in future releases as well, because its too hardware demanding for a game that is supposed to run on  low end hardware) 

 

 

[Andys2112]

On 7/4/2020 at 1:22 PM, G315t said:

Maybe I can give you some insight why this does not work and will never work in the Sims 4. 

 

Sims uses regular prerendered keyframe animations. Which means that every animation for every actor is made for every size of a model. The games tech does not allow for other animations. This kind of animations can never adjust on the fly to changes in the body size, height, or lenght of arms/legs and so on. Imagine it as if you watch a movie. If you want a different actor to be in the scene you have to record the complete scene again with the different actor. 

If you want, lets say 8 different height values for your sims, you need to make each animation in 8 versions. If you want two sims to interact with each other (for example hugging or WW sex animations) and want to allow 8 different body sizes you need 64 versions of each animation.  And we are talking about EVERY single animation in this game, that has to be made for every single combination of body sizes you want to make available.

Thats the reason why teens in sims are the same size as adults. It saves time, ressources (system memory) and money that is needed to create and refine and use animations in the engine.  

 

There is new tech out there that does allow games to create animations with different body sizes that are changed on the fly by the engine if it is needed. But this is not available in Sims (and will not be available in future releases as well, because its too hardware demanding for a game that is supposed to run on  low end hardware) 

 

 

BTW, but in Custom maid 3d 2 this works great. Almost. But it works even with the mod for maximum and minimum height and with changed body proportions. I have no idea how they did it.

[LuversLab92]

On 7/4/2020 at 3:22 AM, G315t said:

Maybe I can give you some insight why this does not work and will never work in the Sims 4. 

 

Sims uses regular prerendered keyframe animations. Which means that every animation for every actor is made for every size of a model. The games tech does not allow for other animations. This kind of animations can never adjust on the fly to changes in the body size, height, or lenght of arms/legs and so on. Imagine it as if you watch a movie. If you want a different actor to be in the scene you have to record the complete scene again with the different actor. 

If you want, lets say 8 different height values for your sims, you need to make each animation in 8 versions. If you want two sims to interact with each other (for example hugging or WW sex animations) and want to allow 8 different body sizes you need 64 versions of each animation.  And we are talking about EVERY single animation in this game, that has to be made for every single combination of body sizes you want to make available.

Thats the reason why teens in sims are the same size as adults. It saves time, ressources (system memory) and money that is needed to create and refine and use animations in the engine.  

 

There is new tech out there that does allow games to create animations with different body sizes that are changed on the fly by the engine if it is needed. But this is not available in Sims (and will not be available in future releases as well, because its too hardware demanding for a game that is supposed to run on  low end hardware) 

 

 

Ah got it!  Thanks for the explanation.

 

I learned something new though.  You can actually use the height sliders, but WW will automatically resize the sims for the animation, then resize the sims back to the custom heights after the animation is done.

 

Honestly, to me it's not that jarring.Based on the non-dynamic nature of sims animations, this is an acceptable workaround. Perhaps Sims 5 will change all of that.

[binbinnowin]

Three years have passed, it seems the Height Slider problem have been sloved?

Edited January 21, 2023 by binbinnowin

[LittleRedSonja]

2 hours ago, binbinnowin said:

Three years have passed, it seems the Height Slider problem have been sloved?

I don't know what you mean with "solved", but as far as i know it still works in the exact same why it was 2 years ago, unless i have missed something.

[binbinnowin]

18 hours ago, babuchas said:

I don't know what you mean with "solved", but as far as i know it still works in the exact same why it was 2 years ago, unless i have missed something.

I found that the height slider mod(CAS UP BOOTS), now will fixed the sims's  height when it's in the animations(including sex animations).

[LittleRedSonja]

3 hours ago, binbinnowin said:

I found that the height slider mod(CAS UP BOOTS), now will fixed the sims's  height when it's in the animations(including sex animations).

Do you mean Redheadsims CAS UP boots slider? I have that one and the animations are still messed in live mode. Wicked whims still resets the slider so the animations in ww look as it should. Is there a new version out there or something new or maybe is that a different slider?  

[nahceuy]

On 1/22/2023 at 2:11 PM, binbinnowin said:

I found that the height slider mod(CAS UP BOOTS), now will fixed the sims's  height when it's in the animations(including sex animations).

 

[LooWoo]

On 8/16/2020 at 1:13 AM, LuversLab92 said:

I learned something new though.  You can actually use the height sliders, but WW will automatically resize the sims for the animation, then resize the sims back to the custom heights after the animation is done.

 

 

That's the issue for me. I don't care anout the positionning looking weird (there's an option to reposition anyway), I just want WW to stop resizing my sims. When I use the pose players it keeps the custom size even if it makes the pose look weird. Can't WW do the same?

If not, then what is the darn point of the "Height Slider support" in the settings?