Need help correctly installing Lovers with PK NSFW

[sv1458]

I am at an absolute loss here having tried to get this working for a total of about four hours now.

The first try, I followed the guide, installed the supplemental pack, started BOSS and started up the game. Everything worked up until the actors were standing still on top of each other rather than commencing the sex. Okay, fine. I guess I should read the guide better.

I followed the guide better, doing the validation using obmm and all that. Still no juice. I completely uninstall the game, remove all my mods, and start over.

I installed all of the plugins.

I'm using Robert's Male body and HGEC female body. I installed the foot nif file even though it wasn't necessary. I installed the universal skeleton using the Controllable one (the first time I installed it I used the Total Controllable). I skipped the BBB animations because it doesn't say required and it hits my FPS hard. I did the BSA Redirection using OBMM. I deleted all ini files. I didn't have a Lovers folder to delete the nifs so I didn't have to do that step. I then installed LAPF according to the read me. I installed lovers adult Play Plus for SSP just to make sure it didn't conflict. I ran BOSS a final time and then used the Load Order Guide to make sure it was all ordered correctly and at the bottom of the load order. I can execute dialogue with npcs perfectly, and take them upstairs, but we stand on top of each other the entire time. After all of that it still is the exact same problem. No errors in the console menu.

The most confusing part of all of this is that the Masturbate and Instill Lust spells works perfectly, animation and all. I thought it might be the Adult Play Plus mod, but LoverSRaper caused the same issue. Any scenario where two actors were having sex was just them standing on top of eachother.

I don't normally post for help because I can google enough to get the answers I need but this problem doesn't seem normal and I haven't been able to figure it out. If anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it.

[myuhinny]

Do not use universal skeleton LAPF comes with it's own modified version of it that has penis bones added to the skeleton. LAPF is just the framework that other mods use it doesn't do anything by itself you need to download other mods.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/23-quick-installation-guide/#comments

 

OBLIVION: install game,tools,bodies,BBB, Load order sorting, esp/esm cleaning, CS-CSE, Body stretching http://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257

[gregathit]

Sounds like you didn't allow the LAPF to overwrite the universal skeleton.

Also, are you sure you have OBSE properly installed and are running the game with it (not the oblivion launcher)?

[fejeena]

In my guide https://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257

I mention the universal skeleton because you should test your game after you installed the body and armor-clothes replacer, and the BBB bodies need a skeleton with breast bones.

( Never install all at once! Install some Mods and test, so you know when you made a mistake !! )

 

 

Then you follow my guide and install LAPF, and LAPF will overwrite the universal skeletons . The LAPF skeleton have breast bones AND butt bones.

 

 

And you must set  archive invalidate:  or use SkyBSA  .

Or your game will use the original Oblivion skeleton without breast and butt bones.

 

 

And the not working animations: ( standing still on top of each other , or inside of each other )

Have you used Nexus Modmanager? It can not install Lovers Mods, it can not handle the animation ini files.  Use Oblivion or TES modmanager. ( or install manually)

 

 

And Load order. BOSS is OK, but the Lovers Mods you should sort manually. First run BOSS then sort the Lovers Mods in the Oblivion Modmanager.

See my example load order.

[sv1458]

On 12/10/2019 at 4:24 PM, myuhinny said:

Do not use universal skeleton LAPF comes with it's own modified version of it that has penis bones added to the skeleton. LAPF is just the framework that other mods use it doesn't do anything by itself you need to download other mods.

 

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/23-quick-installation-guide/#comments

 

OBLIVION: install game,tools,bodies,BBB, Load order sorting, esp/esm cleaning, CS-CSE, Body stretching http://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257

This is confusing to me. The guide specifically says to install the skeleton:

2. Growlf's Universal skeleton: https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/37596
(NOTE: You will be overwritting a portion of this when you install LAPF so don't panic.)

[sv1458]

On 12/10/2019 at 7:30 PM, gregathit said:

Sounds like you didn't allow the LAPF to overwrite the universal skeleton.

Also, are you sure you have OBSE properly installed and are running the game with it (not the oblivion launcher)?

I did make sure to overwrite the LAPF mod onto the skeleton, several times in fact to make sure that that specifically wasn't my issue.
OBSE is working properly because all of my other OBSE plugins work. I also have the steam version so I still start the game from there.

[gregathit]

Wait, you deleted all what ini files?  That is only if you had a previous version of lovers with pk installed.  

Reinstall the whole LAPF over again and see if that fixes things. 

[fejeena]

My giude  https://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257    is step by step ! So start at the top !

 

You have to install a skeleton with breast bones to use the BBB bodies, armor clothes replacer, BBB animations.

That's why you install the universal skeleton . Without the skeleton you can not test the BBB body, armor, clothes, ...

 

Maybe you have not seen  (or you ignored) THIS :

Now test your game. Start it with OBSE. Create a character and play some time.

 

You find the "test your game" note often in my guide.  Also after the BBB bodies, armor clothes replacer, BBB animations installation, BUT before the Lovers/LAPF installation..

You install the BBB body and universal skeleton first. THEN you test your game.

If everything works you install other Mods ( quests, player house, new world,.. )  or LAPF Mods. Only a few and then you test your game again.

If you install all at once  and somethings is wrong/ does not work you do not know when you made the mistake and must install everything again.

So test often !

 

And have you read my guide?

Scroll down to "problems during game play"  and there see "Penis/Breast stretching  ( BBB Mods and/or LAPF) "

 

And no Nexus Modmanager with Lovers Mods!

Have you checked if you have the archive invalidate entry in your Oblivion ini? Or you use SkyBSA

Have you checked your load order?   See my example load order. The last two esp in the load order, and in this order

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

or the animations will not work right.

[sv1458]

On 12/10/2019 at 7:40 PM, fejeena said:

In my guide https://www.loverslab.com/topic/36443-oblivion-install-gametoolsbodiesbbbmod-sorting-and-cleaningcs-cse-body-stretching/?do=findComment&comment=915257

I mention the universal skeleton because you should test your game after you installed the body and armor-clothes replacer, and the BBB bodies need a skeleton with breast bones.

( Never install all at once! Install some Mods and test, so you know when you made a mistake !! )

 

 

Then you follow my guide and install LAPF, and LAPF will overwrite the universal skeletons . The LAPF skeleton have breast bones AND butt bones.

 

 

And you must set  archive invalidate:  or use SkyBSA  .

Or your game will use the original Oblivion skeleton without breast and butt bones.

 

 

And the not working animations: ( standing still on top of each other , or inside of each other )

Have you used Nexus Modmanager? It can not install Lovers Mods, it can not handle the animation ini files.  Use Oblivion or TES modmanager. ( or install manually)

 

 

And Load order. BOSS is OK, but the Lovers Mods you should sort manually. First run BOSS then sort the Lovers Mods in the Oblivion Modmanager.

See my example load order.

They are standing inside eachother. I followed the instructions to the T and it doesn't work. I did it all manual installation, ran boss, and then sorted the Lover's mods to the bottom. 

[sv1458]

21 minutes ago, gregathit said:

Wait, you deleted all what ini files?  That is only if you had a previous version of lovers with pk installed.  

Reinstall the whole LAPF over again and see if that fixes things. 

It doesn't say to only do it if you had the previous version, it says Optional but recommended. I didn't delete them the first time and I was getting this issue, but retrying installation several times now I have deleted the ini files every single time before installing Lovers and getting the same issue regardless.

 

Also, upon reinstalling it again I'm having an issue with LoverRaperS not working either. I will kill an npc just to make sure it's 100% going to happen and try to initiate it, but it will actually remove their clothes and resurrect them, to which they will walk back to what they were doing and not realize they are naked I guess. Trying to use the spell while they are awake will make them reset their pose by making their head look forward but nothing else.

[gregathit]

5 hours ago, sv1458 said:

It doesn't say to only do it if you had the previous version, it says Optional but recommended. I didn't delete them the first time and I was getting this issue, but retrying installation several times now I have deleted the ini files every single time before installing Lovers and getting the same issue regardless.

It is referring to previous installations of lovers that did not have BBB animations.  Either way, it is irrelevant as those are all things that you do BEFORE you install the LAPF.  Somehow, you have done something wrong or out of order.  Also, make sure you have not installed the game and mods in the program files folder as this will jack with many mods.

 

5 hours ago, sv1458 said:

Also, upon reinstalling it again I'm having an issue with LoverRaperS not working either. I will kill an npc just to make sure it's 100% going to happen and try to initiate it, but it will actually remove their clothes and resurrect them, to which they will walk back to what they were doing and not realize they are naked I guess. Trying to use the spell while they are awake will make them reset their pose by making their head look forward but nothing else.

What???????  RaperS is not a necro sex mod.  RaperS is only going to work if you are stronger than your opponent or if you sneak up on them.  It is not an automatic thing and it isn't supposed to be for necro sex.  There is a knock out mod I list as recommended for slave trader that you can make folks sleep and then rape them.

[sv1458]

6 hours ago, gregathit said:

It is referring to previous installations of lovers that did not have BBB animations.  Either way, it is irrelevant as those are all things that you do BEFORE you install the LAPF.  Somehow, you have done something wrong or out of order.  Also, make sure you have not installed the game and mods in the program files folder as this will jack with many mods.

 

What???????  RaperS is not a necro sex mod.  RaperS is only going to work if you are stronger than your opponent or if you sneak up on them.  It is not an automatic thing and it isn't supposed to be for necro sex.  There is a knock out mod I list as recommended for slave trader that you can make folks sleep and then rape them.

The game is not installed in the program files and neither are the mods. 

Ik that's not what RaperS is for but it was an easy way to test it without having to configure the settings. The first time I tried it it popped up a message saying "x can't say no now!" and it would start and the actors would stand inside eachother. But now it revives the dead npc. The reason I even mentioned that was to point out just how broken that mod is for some reason even though i have tried reinstalling that one several times as well. I would have to assume that one is broken because LAPF is broken.

[fejeena]

Why Loversrapers installed whem Lovers don't work?

 

I say it again , do not install all at once.

 

Does your game works without Lovers?  You start with OBSE/Steam, no message "OBSE missing". BBB bodies and clothes no stretching ? ...

A perfect game.

 

 

Then install LAPF . ONLY LAPF !   So you have in the Oblivion Modmanager  Lovers with PK.esm, Lovers with PK.esp, LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp and LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp , and set all active.

You can  activate LoversMB2.esp that was in the LAPF pack.

 

And now you install Lovers AdultPlayPlusforSSP with or without Lovers VoiceSSPplus.

( LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp and LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp in the Modmanager and set active )

 

THAT'S ALL. And now you test.  Why install more if the base system does not work?

You test LoversMB2, the self spell and the target NPC spell. (Masturbate  and Instill Lust)

And then you test sex with AdultPlayPlus, talk to an NPC. You can only have sex when the NPC likes you.

You can use the console to make him/her like you.

Open console, click on the NPC and enter

ModDisposition player 100

hit enter key.

Talk to the NPC and have sex.

 

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The T position:

You have not used Nexus Modmanager to install LAPF!  It can not install LAPF !

You checked that you have the ini folder.  data\ini  and there are 01_Motion.ini  to 200_Motion.ini ( some numbers are missing, but you know that if you have reaad my guide )

You have the animations (kf files).  Data\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\ani2 about 1250+ kf files 

and the LoverMB2  animations  Data\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\mb folder with 27 kf files.

 

Your load order:

Oblivion.esm               

...
 Lovers with PK.esm

...

...

 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

...

 

..

LoversMB2.esp
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

Not esp after these 3 last esp !

 

If you have all files it is almost always an incorrect load order which causes the T position.

 

[sv1458]

42 minutes ago, fejeena said:

Why Loversrapers installed whem Lovers don't work?

 

I say it again , do not install all at once.

 

Does your game works without Lovers?  You start with OBSE/Steam, no message "OBSE missing". BBB bodies and clothes no stretching ? ...

A perfect game.

 

 

How do I know if LAPF alone works when I have nothing to test it with? All it is is a framework. I don't get any errors - nothing is missing. I followed the LAPF installation and then installed the AdultLoversPlayPlus to test it and was getting the error - only installed the rapers because I gave up and just wanted to make sure it was in my game, and I wanted to see if it was actually the AdultLoversPlayPlus mod that might be broken and not the framework. And again, I'm not using BBB because my engine can't afford it, but it doesn't say required. I'm using Robert's Male and HGEC Female and they are working flawlessly. 

I did indeed test the Instill Lust and Masturbate spells and they work very well. I can use the settings spells and edit whatever. Everything appears to work perfectly until I try to get two actors to have sex - then they stand inside eachother instead of animate. 

They are not in a T pose, they just stand there as if they were standing anywhere.
For the files: I do have the ini motion files. I went to  Data\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\ani2 and I have 195 Off Motion kf files, about 8 of each number.  Looks like I have all of them.
I have all 27 MB files.

I've checked my load order many times and making sure it's correct has never fixed this issue.

I went through and deleted everything and I'm trying a new installation. Everything Lovers as Manual.
OBSE: Check.

Pluggy: Check. Renamed Elys_Pluggy_HUD.dll
Silent Voice: Check.

MenuQue: Check.

 

No errors in game. 

Male body: Roberts.

Female body: HGEC. Work perfectly.
Growlf's Universal Skeleton (Controllable): Check.
Skip BBB animations.
Archive Invalidate  via BSA Redirection: Check.
Run Boss.

Everything good to go. Start up game - No errors in console, plugins working, bodies/skeleton are good.

Finally ready to install LAPF. Manual Install. Read the readme and followed the instructions. Enable the esm and esp, mb2 and prioritys as well. Run Boss, then manually sort using https://www.loverslab.com/topic/18941-complete-load-order/

 

Cool, so we're good to go with LAPF installed. Start up game again. I test all of the spells and they work perfectly. No errors in console. Now I can install AdultPlayPlus. Download and drag the esp into data folder. Run Boss, sort manually, enable, blah blah. Start game. Talk to an NPC, initiate sex - then we stand inside eachother.
 

[fejeena]

Have you read my post?

You first test your game ( Oblivion and dlc )

Then you test your game with tools and mod but without LAAP (OBSE and body, armor-clothes replacer )

 

And then you install LAPF and  ONE sex Mod for testing ( can be AdultLoversPlayPlus . And it is a old mod, so it is not broken )

 

And again : If you have all files it is almost always an incorrect load order which causes the T position.

But if all is correct I don't know what can be wrong in your game.

 

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Yes you don't need BBB, but all the LAPF animation are made for BBB. ( But if you have installed the HGEC Mod mentioned on the LAPF page you have BBB bodies. And most armor clothes replacer are BBB. But if you do not install the BBB animations you will see no Bouncing breasts.

 

........................

You say  " I'm not using BBB because my engine can't afford it, ... "  ???

Maybe that is the problem. BBB does not cost much CPU/GPU resources  and I never heard that it course frame drops.

What happens when you install BBB animations? Does animations stop working ? NPCs stuck, stop moving?

BBB are only 6 new breast bones, but there are 70+ other bones. And not all bones are used/animated in every animation/kf files.

So it can't be that your computer can not handle a walk forward animation with 6 new breast bones. ( even if there are several women nearby or in the same cell )

 

In many Lovers kf files more bones are animated. ( Two NPCs, two kf files which animate 4 breast (12 bones) and 1 penis (6 bones)  and all the body bones )

So if your engine can not handle BBB replacer kf files it also can not handle Lovers BBB kf files.  ( ? )

[gregathit]

Are you installing the Adult play plus from here:  https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/355-lovers-supplemental-plugin-pack/

 

[sv1458]

I did read your post, which is why I tried reinstalling it again, checking one by one and making sure everything worked before installing the next piece. I only meant that it seems broken in my game, and again there's no T post - it's just them standing inside eachother. I've installed BBB twice now and both times my FPS is dropped incredibly low, and removing it restores my FPS. When it was installed, it worked perfectly with the animation and all, and I only uninstalled it because I didn't want to have low FPS. So in a sense my engine could handle the animation actually happening but not at a stable framerate. 

And greg, I tried both. I used the Supplemental plugin pack first and then installed the mod itself directly the second time.

[gregathit]

It may just be that your computer is unable to play animations.  If you have a really low end computer with very little ram or an onboard video card, this can happen.

 

There is no reason to install BBB anymore as that has been built into the animations and made a part of the LAPF, so that is pretty much irrelevant.  Still makes no sense why that would impact your frame rate.  It only contains animations that only play when called upon.

 

One last thing to try.  Fire everything up, when you have the animation running (and the actors are just standing there), hit your console screen and see what the verbiage in the console is.  You can write it down, or better yet, take a screenshot.

 

Are you sure you have the ini files in the ini folder (LAPF adds 148 of them)?  The animations won't fire without them in the correct place.  

[sv1458]

The BBB animations did play out, correctly animated and everything. It just made my fps drop for some reason - maybe I installed them incorrectly or something? But they did work. So the idea that the computer not being able to play the animations is strange. I have a 1070 and an i5.  I have 195_Motion ini files, the Lovers ini and MB2 ini.

Last run on the console check: 
 

[fejeena]

Use the Adult play plus from the Supplemental plugin pack , that is the LAPF version.

 

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Your console:

I do not know what is " LoversAPP: Detected Roaries (Dist 548)  "  I never saw it in my game. But it is from Adult play plus.

But I don't have it when I use the dialog or use the spell "Sex Invites (Contact)"

"LoversAPP: StartConversation and Finished "  I have.

 

How do you start sex ?

 Do you use the dialog "Hey, I need to asl you something"  ?

 

 

And I still don't know what you and the NPC do.

I have seen Player and NPC have sex inside eachother.

And Player and NPC standing inside eachother,  but in T pose.

 

What animation you and the NPC use ?  If there is no Lovers kf file (animation) then there should be a T pose. And if there is no T pose then there should be the sex animation.

Only the T pose is no animation. All other poses is a animation.  Idle, walk forward, talk ? Are you or the NPC move ? Move hand, head, or feet ?

Can you make a screenshot?  But please not with Vilya,  use a vanilla NPC .  ( she is from a companion Mod and maybe she or the Mod does not work right ) 

 

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You have checked all your folders, but I once had someone who also checked his folders until he noticed that he have a meshes folder in the meshes folder. ( or Data in data folder )

Right: Oblivion\Data\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\ani2

Wrong:  Oblivion\Data\meshes\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\ani2

Wrong:  Oblivion\Data\Data\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\ani2

 

And right: Oblivion\Data\ini

Wrong:  Oblivion\Data\Data\ini

Wrong:  Oblivion\Data\meshes\ini

Worng. Oblivion\ini

 

[sv1458]

I installed LAPP using the supplemental pack this goaround, ran boss and then fixed the load order manually. 

Loading it up and testing it: 

I asked an npc through "Hey, I need to ask you something" which goes through and the two actors commence. 

I made sure none of those incorrect file placements were happening in my case. Everything is in the right location and I don't appear to be missing any files.

[fejeena]

Upload your load order.

 

Do you use Personality Idles ? Or other idle/animation Mods?

 

Or any of these mods?

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/12494-mods-that-are-not-compatible-with-lovers/

 

You must have a Mod that is not compatible with LAPF.

 

Have you tried to play LAPF withoput any other mods?

Deactivate all other Mods in the Modmanager ( only Oblvion.esm, all  dlc esp , and body replacer esp active )

Then start a new game and test (new charcter ! no old save !!! )

If LAPF works without the other Mods activate 5 or 10 Mods in the Mod manager and try again... then the next 5-10 esp...  until LAPF stop working.

Then deactivate the last activated esp one by one and test until you LAPF works again. Then you know the "bad" esp.

 

EDIT: And your body and textures replacer is shit, the big white spots are really ugly. 

Adult Mod in adult forum but censored pictures?

[sv1458]

LOL. You never know, man. Just trying to clean it up a bit where nudity isn't necessary.


Well. I deactivated everything and... you're right. Time to figure out which mod is causing the issue. 
30 minutes later.. Turns out it was Personality Idles. All of this work and it was such a simple fix. Why would the installation page not have an incompatibilities list??? I shouldn't have to go on a separate random page to find an incompatibility list.

Is there some way to make them compatible? 

Thank you so much for the help. I guess I'll just have to live without PI4.

[fejeena]

I don't know, but I think not.

 

I played with Personality Idles and Lovers about a year without problems.

Then a windows new installation  , but I used my old game folder, same settings, ...  and suddenly it didn't work anymore ( was about 2012 that's why I didn't immediately remember it. )

But if you had used my installation guide there I mention the side with incompatible mods ! ( my guide in the yellow Link below)  

And I mentioned my guide here in my first post, that's why I never talked about not compatible Mods, I thought you used my guide.

 

But problem solved, enjoy fucking.

 

EDIT:  And you have not read  

 

It is the pinned thread in "Technical Support - Lovers with PK". You saw it before you posted.

With your load order in your first post myuhinny, gregathit and I had told you in our first post that you should not use Personality Idles.

Next time when you have a problem always with load order.

[gregathit]

On 12/23/2019 at 2:19 PM, sv1458 said:

All of this work and it was such a simple fix. Why would the installation page not have an incompatibilities list??? I shouldn't have to go on a separate random page to find an incompatibility list.

It always amazes me how ungrateful and rudely demanding folks can be.  The audacity of demanding something because they are ridiculously lazy just boggles the mind.  To imagine that it is just "too hard" to read a pinned thread that clearly states "mods that are not compatible with lovers".  Gee Wiz.  How in the world is that tough to find?

 

To answer your question:  Because it takes work to find and track things that are not compatible.  It is more than one mod maker could do and takes the effort of the community.  If you were not being so lazy and entitled that may have occurred to you.  By the way, your are welcome on the mod, enjoy.