waffles4eva Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 My game has very recently started crashing every time a SexLab animations starts up, it has only started within the last couple of days and I have no clue as to why it has started to happen. The animation will start just fine, but when it shifts to the 2nd animation in line, it will CTD. I have tried reinstalling everything SexLab related, I have tried rebuilding SexLab, and I've tried disabling and enabling mods to see if something causes an issue. My LOOT order is: 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 Heels Sound.esm 7 7 ApachiiHair.esm 8 8 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 9 9 FallOut3Hairs.esm 10 a SMSkyrim.esp 11 b hdtHighHeel.esm 12 c BBLuxurySuite.esm 13 d RaceCompatibility.esm 14 e battlenymphs.esm 15 f Silverpeak Lodge.esp 16 10 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 17 11 UndergroundBathhouse.esm 18 12 SexLab.esm 19 13 SexLabAroused.esm 20 14 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 21 15 SkyUI.esp 22 16 SkyrimConfigMenu.esp 23 17 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 24 18 RaceMenu.esp 25 19 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 26 1a FNIS.esp 27 1b FNISSexyMove.esp 28 1c dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp 29 1d MoreBanditCamps(Explorer'sEdition).esp 30 1e Civil War Aftermath.esp 31 1f Helgen Reborn.esp 32 20 Prettier Bandits.esp 33 21 SkyrimWeightImprovement.esp 34 22 Honeypopcorn Skyrim Overhaul.esp 35 23 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 36 24 BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp 37 25 ADS.esp 38 26 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 39 27 OwnCivilWar.esp 40 28 ZIA_Complete Pack.esp 41 29 HF_Lakeview_AvantGarden_EX.esp 42 2a Silverpeak Lodge - Respawns.esp 43 2b Immersive Encounters.esp 44 2c Silnia.esp 45 2d Immersive Wenches.esp 46 2e Immersive Patrols II.esp 47 2f MistySkye.esp 48 30 Populated Cities 2.esp 49 31 HF_Windstad_PHB_EX.esp 50 32 flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp 51 33 Arcanum.esp 52 34 KS Hairdo's.esp 53 35 NARC.esp 54 36 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 55 37 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 56 38 [dint]_NeirAutomataHDT.esp 57 39 DiverseDragonsCollection3.esp 58 3a TERAArmors_CBBE.esp 59 3b NightshadeSuit.esp 60 3c MigalsBards.esp 61 3d LorkhanMoonlightGreatswordPack.esp 62 3e ImperialEliteGreatsword.esp 63 3f DraugrslayerGreatsword.esp 64 40 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 65 41 SexLab Submit.esp 66 42 H2135FantasySeries1.esp 67 43 SexAddict.esp 68 44 DrunkenSluts.esp 69 45 Headcrab_BunnyOutfit.esp 70 46 Cassandra Frost Witch.esp 71 47 HF_Heljarchen_PHB_EX.esp 72 48 SMSkyrim - General Compatibility Patch.esp 73 49 adcSexlife.esp 74 4a SLAnimLoader.esp 75 4b NibblesAnimObjects.esp 76 4c SLALAnimObj.esp 77 4d AnubAnimObj.esp 78 4e GRIM ZeroTwo.esp 79 4f Moniko.esp 80 50 jkjsenhancedhotpools.esp 81 51 Dragon Shout 5 sec cooldown.esp 82 52 Save the Dark Brotherhood!.esp 83 53 _sunya.esp 84 54 aya_099.esp 85 55 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 86 56 Immersive Weapons.esp 87 57 The Ordinary Women.esp 88 58 Bijin Wives.esp 89 59 Bijin NPCs.esp 90 5a DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp 91 5b Deadly Wenches.esp 92 5c Deadly Wenches - CBBE Tera Armors Random-.esp 93 5d ZazResources.esp 94 5e Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 95 5f SOS - Shop.esp 96 60 ApotheosisDemo.esp 97 61 HottIldari.esp 98 62 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp 99 63 SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp 100 64 SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp 101 65 Godswords - Johnskyrim.esp 102 66 RRC_MarieRoseFollower.esp 103 67 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp 104 68 ElisHotSprings.esm 105 69 BBLSmusic.esp 106 6a DudestiaMultiMarriages.esp 107 6b DrakeKnightGreatsword.esp 108 6c My Home Is Your Home.esp 109 6d SMSkyrim - My Home is Your Home Patch.esp 110 6e BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp 111 6f SexLab Romance.esp 112 70 Astrid.esp 113 71 Bandit.esp 114 72 CS_TagNTrack.esp 115 73 FGCHelegelStraightSword.esp 116 74 SororityGirlsOfSkyrimByAsherz.esp 117 75 GK-2b.esp 118 76 LostGrimoire.esp 119 77 Fachry Fedura Moraqtong Assassin.esp 120 78 QBlade Echidna.esp 121 79 Jinxxed Followers - Dragon Maid Tohru.esp 122 7a ZeroTwoByAsherz.esp 123 7b YoungDawnguard.esp 124 7c AbsorptionSwirlsBegone.esp 125 7d 12FemaleBrows.esp 126 7e SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 127 7f SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 128 80 XPMSE.esp 129 81 Ciceriareplacor.esp 130 82 UIExtensions.esp 131 83 AddItemMenuLE.esp 132 84 [COCO]CheongSan_full.esp 133 85 Eureka Spriggan Follower.esp 134 86 ForswornFemaleBriarheart.esp 135 87 [COCO]wedding_2B.esp 136 88 [COCO]Lady Samurai.esp 137 89 FollowerCiceria.esp 138 8a SamusAndNoelle.esp 139 8b ReZeroByAsherz.esp 140 8c RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 141 8d Keira.esp 142 8e Selina Kyle.esp 143 8f Jinxxed Followers - One Piece Girls.esp 144 90 Jinxxed Followers - Kurumu.esp 145 91 Jinxxed Followers - Palutena.esp 146 92 Lapin Follower.esp 147 93 Kire Follower.esp 148 94 Vanessa.esp 149 95 Prism Companion.esp 150 96 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 151 97 Jinxxed Followers - Sombra.esp 152 98 Jinxxed Followers - Fubuki.esp 153 99 Werewolf Loot- Dawnguard version.esp 154 9a Mannequin.esp 155 9b ub_tapestry.esp 156 9c ub_apachii_hair.esp 157 9d ub_invite_any_npc.esp 158 9e LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp 159 9f GRIM Zero Suit Samus.esp 160 a0 [COCO]Black_cat.esp 161 a1 Bijin Warmaidens.esp 162 a2 KatriaFollower.esp 163 a3 Skyrim love Maids.esp 164 a4 LoversComfort.esp 165 a5 SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp 166 a6 Follow me for Sex.esp 167 a7 Serana.esp 168 a8 Valerica.esp 169 a9 ExtraLevelPerks.esp 170 aa Makeo.esp 171 ab Kiyomi.esp 172 ac FGCEgilRapier.esp 173 ad KatriaFollowerAlive.esp 174 ae Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 175 af Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 176 b0 RDO - USLEEP Patch.esp My PC specs are an i7-8550, 16 GB RAM, GTX 1050 4GB, 256GB Solid State Drive, 1 TB Hard Disk Drive. My LOOT order is up to date as well as TES5Edit, Papyrus (which I don't understand at all), NMM, SKSE, Game itself, all the DLC and mods are as well. I've run the game in administrator, I've reloaded past saves, started from a fresh game, tried a new game I had already started, but in all of them, the animation will suddenly CTD. I have also cleaned my saves on multiple separate occasions and did so once after a fresh install of all things SexLab, but it didn't make a difference. Likewise I've tried disabling free cam, height adjust, and I have the CTD fix enabled. I have never had this problem before the last couple of days and my character is level 49, so this is unexpected. Out of all the crashes I've experienced over the course of my playthrough of Skyrim, this one is the one that makes the least sense. In all other crashes I could generally tell what was causing the issue, or at least why the issue is happening, but with this CTD I can only tell when it's going to happen, not why. I've looked over the forums as well as all over the internet and I can't find a solution to my problem, as even starting the game fresh still causes issues, so i'm really at a loss for what to do here. Of course the game isn't unplayable without sex mods, but I still want to be able to use them, and not knowing the reason why everything is messed up annoys me. I appreciate any help in advance to solving this mystery.
MinamiTakahashi Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Perhaps you've reached the animation cap for FNIS? The more animations you have the higher the likelihood of a CTD, and at a certain point it's guaranteed to happen.
Grey Cloud Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Post your FNIS output. In the meantime does FNIS report your skeleton as having 115 bones? Are the animations which crash just human animations or does it do it with creatures? M-M, M-F, F-F? Is it with NPCs from a mod or vanilla NPCs?
waffles4eva Posted September 25, 2019 Author Posted September 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: Post your FNIS output. In the meantime does FNIS report your skeleton as having 115 bones? Are the animations which crash just human animations or does it do it with creatures? M-M, M-F, F-F? Is it with NPCs from a mod or vanilla NPCs? FNIS Behavior V7.5 9/25/2019 12:20:43 PM Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Patch: "HKX File Compatibility Check Skyrim/SSE" Patch: * DServant's "Archery Gameplay Overhaul" (CTD:0.1%) Reading Anubs Human V1.0 ... Reading Babo Human V1.0 ... Reading BBLSmusic V1.5 ... Reading FNISBase V7.5 ... Reading FNISSexyMove V7.1 ... Reading Follow me for Sex V3.6 ... Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFemDom V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMtb V3.0 ... Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... Reading NCK30 V1.0 ... Reading NibblesAnims V1.0 ... Reading SexAddicts V?.? ... Reading SexLab V1.62 ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... Reading SMSkyrim V?.? ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V7.00 ... Reading ZazResources V?.? ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... 17 GENDER modifications for Animations\male 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\female Alternate Animation mods: 2 sets: 17 total groups: 39 added file slots: 188 alternate files: 182 Creature Pack not installed 6751 animations for 26 mods successfully included (character) I don't have creature animations enabled, so yes the animations that are causing crashes are human animations. It will crash with vanilla followers, NPC's, and modded followers, so any sex animation with any character crashes. I also just tested an F-F animation and it also crashed, an M-M also crashed when I tried it yesterday, and the F-M animations also CTD.
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, waffles4eva said: Patch: "HKX File Compatibility Check Skyrim/SSE" If you use LE you won't need the HKX patch ? Might even do no good to your game ?♂️ unrelated to that: ZazResources.esp is not needed if you have ZAZ animationpack installed. Guess you grabbed that from Nexus?
waffles4eva Posted September 25, 2019 Author Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said: If you use LE you won't need the HKX patch ? Might even do no good to your game ?♂️ unrelated to that: ZazResources.esp is not needed if you have ZAZ animationpack installed. Guess you grabbed that from Nexus? I only did the HKX after the crashes were already happening, and I thought I needed ZazResources if I didn't have ZazAnimation V8, because I only have V7. I grabbed it from Nexus because I thought it was needed.
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, waffles4eva said: I only did the HKX after the crashes were already happening, and I thought I needed ZazResources if I didn't have ZazAnimation V8, because I only have V7. I grabbed it from Nexus because I thought it was needed. > Zazresources is not needed if any ZAZ version is installed (LL ZAZ is the modern version so to say) > HKX not needed for LE, deactivate " it has only started within the last couple of days " Maybe it's an issue with human size adjustment from SLF That works for me at first too, but will fail later. There should be an option in SLF MCM called "fix for crash"(?), activate it, maybe that solves the issue Need to make a screenshot from it later ?
waffles4eva Posted September 25, 2019 Author Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, donttouchmethere said: There should be an option in SLF MCM called "fix for crash"(?), activate it, maybe that solves the issue I have the CTD fix enabled already, I turned off HKX and got rid of ZazResources. I went back into Skyrim and it still crashes though, sadly, it wasn't something so simple to fix?.
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, waffles4eva said: I have the CTD fix enabled already, I turned off HKX and got rid of ZazResources. I went back into Skyrim and it still crashes though, sadly, it wasn't something so simple to fix?. What did you add to your LO in the last couple of days? Did you check your save game for orphan scripts and undefined ones via Resaver or save tool? => sorry just saw you did that already Do you have an stable base setup for excessive skyrim modding? > SKSE.ini > ENBoost > Crash fixes check here for more info: Spoiler
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Also make sure those script addons never get overwritten by older versions included in some mods: > PapyrusUtil 3.3 > JContainers
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 "Followe me for sex" and SLEN can overrule SLF settings too ingame. You could check if it helps to remove one of them. Also if your LO grew and you get now those CTDs you could check your string count Skyrim has a limit of 65k strings, if you go over this your game will become unstable. Use Crash fixes to counter that.
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 How many human animations are registered in SLF? It seems you are far over the 500 possible?
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 Check how many active scripts are running. If you see regularly more than 10 or even 100+ some mod goes crazy also you can check if your Setup produces stack dumps regularly
donttouchmethere Posted September 25, 2019 Posted September 25, 2019 sorry for the spam, I just drop those ideas while doing something else^^ If you have added new SLAL animations later in game you might need to reload/rebuild the SLF animation registry
waffles4eva Posted September 26, 2019 Author Posted September 26, 2019 From the first of the many posts 1. I have SKSE.ini, and Crash Fixes, but I don't have ENBoost. In the last couple of days i've added: Noelle or Samus, RaceCompatability with Fixes, Nymph Girls of Skyrim (From Nexus), updated Open Civil War, Katria as Follower + Alive Version, and Zero Two Outfit Bodyslide. 2. I just now (2:26 AM) reinstalled JContainers and Papyrus just in case 3. I will check disabling Follow me for Sex, and SLEN when I am less tired tomorrow, and how do I check strings? 4. I'm fairly certain I am at the 500 animation limit for humans, as it says in my SL options 5. I'm not sure how to check how many scripts are running 6. I'll try an rebuild the registry tomorrow, but I think my total count is around 487 or something last time I had a good count
donttouchmethere Posted September 26, 2019 Posted September 26, 2019 8 hours ago, waffles4eva said: 3. I will check disabling Follow me for Sex, and SLEN when I am less tired tomorrow, and how do I check strings? You can see them in your Save Game with Resaver "strings". But this isn't an issue if you use already crash fixes Also to check if it is a compatibly issue just remove one first. 8 hours ago, waffles4eva said: 6. I'll try an rebuild the registry tomorrow, but I think my total count is around 487 or something last time I had a good count You can see the numbers in SLAL too with the "count" function. Everything over 500 human animations won't be played, but maybe it has more side effects. 8 hours ago, waffles4eva said: 5. I'm not sure how to check how many scripts are running You can see those in Resaver too "active scripts" And if you are already there check for "Suspended stacks" In addition, if you changed your load order a lot during a running game you might have a broken save game now. Save to add and remove are only the mods at the end of your load order. If you added Nymph girls that would be already 2 esm more. They are also vram hungry. Maybe even cleaning the SKSE-Co save with might help. Fishing here in the dark^^ ENBoost would free more VRAM/RAM tho.
Grey Cloud Posted September 26, 2019 Posted September 26, 2019 9 hours ago, waffles4eva said: 4. I'm fairly certain I am at the 500 animation limit for humans, as it says in my SL options Do you not think it may just be worth checking?
waffles4eva Posted September 26, 2019 Author Posted September 26, 2019 2 hours ago, donttouchmethere said: You can see them in your Save Game with Resaver "strings". But this isn't an issue if you use already crash fixes Also to check if it is a compatibly issue just remove one first. You can see the numbers in SLAL too with the "count" function. Everything over 500 human animations won't be played, but maybe it has more side effects. You can see those in Resaver too "active scripts" And if you are already there check for "Suspended stacks" In addition, if you changed your load order a lot during a running game you might have a broken save game now. Save to add and remove are only the mods at the end of your load order. If you added Nymph girls that would be already 2 esm more. They are also vram hungry. Maybe even cleaning the SKSE-Co save with I use SaveTool and it says I have 2 strings I don't think SLEN and Follow me for Sex conflict, I tried disabling either and it still crashed, I even tried disabling both and it still crashed. I have 491 human animations registered, so not the full 500 which is good. SaveTool says I have 8 Active Scripts, but I also have 137592 ScriptInstances and 7629 Scripts, but I don't see any suspended stacks I also just tried the SKSE-Co save clean and it didn't seem like it did much other than reducing load time
donttouchmethere Posted September 26, 2019 Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, waffles4eva said: I use SaveTool and it says I have 2 strings I don't think SLEN and Follow me for Sex conflict, I tried disabling either and it still crashed, I even tried disabling both and it still crashed. I have 491 human animations registered, so not the full 500 which is good. SaveTool says I have 8 Active Scripts, but I also have 137592 ScriptInstances and 7629 Scripts, but I don't see any suspended stacks I also just tried the SKSE-Co save clean and it didn't seem like it did much other than reducing load time It's good that you get CTD witout SLEN and FMFS ^^ That's the only mods I know have an effect on SLF on my LOs, with mixed results (depending on other mods installed). If you have only 2 strings something is broken normally a game with SLF installed and SLAL has already a string count of 58k+ Also if you can still open your savegame with save tools, that means you are below the 65k string limit or crash fixes doesn't work (activated/installed right). If over 65k strings crash fixes changes the save format and you can only open it with ReSaver.
waffles4eva Posted September 26, 2019 Author Posted September 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said: If you have only 2 strings something is broken normally a game with SLF installed and SLAL has already a string count of 58k+ Also if you can still open your savegame with save tools, that means you are below the 65k string limit or crash fixes doesn't work (activated/installed right). If over 65k strings crash fixes changes the save format and you can only open it with ReSaver. I'm putting a screencap of what my SaveTool looks like for a recent save, just in case looking at it helps in any way
donttouchmethere Posted September 26, 2019 Posted September 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, waffles4eva said: I'm putting a screencap of what my SaveTool looks like for a recent save, just in case looking at it helps in any way Forgot, you can't see the string count in save tool. But you can check them with ReSaver/Fallrim Tools Still something is stuck that triggers on stage 2 of SL animations. I saw that issue a few times in tech support, but never saw a solution. It happened on one of my countless LOs too, but only solution for me was to start a new game with changed LO. What you could check if what mods change animation stages during a SL scene. Something like "chance of animation change" "chance of repeating animation stage" that some mods add. You could try and deactivate those options. Also with ZAZ installed check if "release AI" in ZAZ MCM might help, maybe a mod is still running a scene on your PC and got stuck. Deactivate "wenches scenes" in immersive wenches MCM. If sexlab submit has an debug function you could check there too for a mod clean up. In worse case something is backed into your savegames now and only option would be to fall back to a save game that worked or new game.
shadowhunter1812 Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 how do I find the update to sexlab 1.62 to 1.9.32?
Grey Cloud Posted October 5, 2019 Posted October 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, shadowhunter1812 said: how do I find the update to sexlab 1.62 to 1.9.32? There isn't one.
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