snarfies Posted January 19, 2013 Author Posted January 19, 2013 Yeah, there's no need to login ever. If spam gets to be an issue then captchas might get involved for IP editors - the other wiki on otakubell, http://www.otakubell.com/smw/ got pretty overrun with spammers at one point, so its probably inevitable. I've been kinds busy this week, so I still haven't written much, but I'm still poking at the back-end (huhuhuuhuhuhuh). I'm still trying to get the file attachment system to work in a consistent manner, but not a lot of luck so far. Its doesn't seem to show up in a consistent manner, and I suspect its something to do with ajax caching, and I don't know a lot about working with that sort of thing (yet). I flat-out give up on the semantic stuff - I'll leave it installed as it doesn't seem to be hurting anything, but the only support for the semantic extensions is an email list, and I'm just not interested in that.
vashar Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I'm starting the Bravil underground quests, so I'll fill the quest information in as I get to it. I'm probably not high level enough to do them all, though.
varenne Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 I flat-out give up on the semantic stuff - I'll leave it installed as it doesn't seem to be hurting anything' date=' but the only support for the semantic extensions is an email list, and I'm just not interested in that. [/quote'] Don't worry too much at this point about the 'semantic stuff'. Once I get some free time I can and will help out with it, maybe this week in between preparing to ship out to AR from FL. In the meantime you and others can, if you so choose read this: Semantic WebHelp:Introduction to Semantic MediaWiki and this: Help:Introduction to Semantic MediaWiki. Simple short form explanation - The Semantic Wiki extension will as you and others build out this MediaWiki site, generate computer readable data from what the human element creates. This can then be automatically be read 24/7 by search engines that scrap such sites for this new semantic stuff. To fully grok this, one must do some research into AI and the Semantic Web. Semantic Wiki will eventually allow for more complex searches using 'human' structured sentences vs. the nowadays query structure (Google-Fu), which most/many still don't know how to fully use and leverage. Here's a little teaser (lower right corner), which most will not grok so don't phreak out. Page resulting from having semantic data available to be consumed.
varenne Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Just more background, details and an example on what the combination of MediaWiki and Semantic MediaWiki potential can produce. Semantic MediaWiki on Wikipedia Semantic MediaWiki (SMW) is an extension to MediaWiki that allows for annotating semantic data within wiki pages, thus turning a wiki that incorporates the extension into a semantic wiki. Data that has been encoded can be used in semantic searches, used for aggregation of pages, displayed in formats like maps, calendars and graphs, and exported to the outside world via formats like RDF and CSV. ... Usage Semantic MediaWiki is in use on over 300 public active wikis around the world, in addition to an unknown number of private wikis.[4][5] Notable public wikis that use SMW include the Metacafe wiki, SNPedia, SKYbrary, Metavid, Familypedia, OpenEI,[6] Oh Internet, and the Free Software Directory.[7] Organizations that use SMW internally include Pfizer,[8] Harvard Pilgrim Health Care,[9] Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical Research and Development,[10] the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory,[11] the Metropolitan Museum of Art[12] and the U.S. Department of Defense.[13] SMW has notably gained traction in the health care domain for collaboratively creating bio-medical terminologies and ontologies.[14] Examples are LexWiki,[15] which is jointly run by the Mayo Clinic, National Cancer Institute, World Health Organization and Stanford University; and Neuroscience Information Framework's NeuroLex. Semantic MediaWiki is also supported on at least two wiki farm websites: Referata[16] by default,[17] as well as Wikia on user request. OpenEI Background OpenEI currently provides two primary mechanisms for sharing structured information: a semantic wiki (using MediaWiki and the Semantic MediaWiki extension) for collaboratively-managed resources, and a dataset upload mechanism for contributor-controlled resources.[4] In both cases, the resulting data is made available via Linked Data standards whenever possible.[5][6] Development of the system is led by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, in collaboration with other national laboratories.[2] OpenEI, as part of the U.S. Department of Energy's effort to make data open, is in the public domain under the CC0 public domain dedication.[7] OpenEI audience OpenEI may be used to search, edit, add and access data in OpenEI for free. OpenEI serves researchers, entrepreneurs,[8] policy makers, students, and more generally, consumers interested in renewable energy.[1] Region-specific data on OpenEI is organized on a world map.[9] These regional pages derive data from many sources including Reegle's policy information,[10] census information and various energy datasets from the Energy Information Administration. Link to 5 above: The Linking Open Data cloud diagram DBpedia Accessing the DBpedia Data Set over the Web The DBpedia data set can be accessed online via a SPARQL query endpoint and as Linked Data.
snarfies Posted January 22, 2013 Author Posted January 22, 2013 Thanks Varenne: I have read all about semantics and even already read a few of the articles you posted above, but I still don't GET it, beyond that fact that it lets me run "Ask Jeeves" type queries, and maybe lets me export data to... something or other, including that SIOC RDF thing. Suffice it to say if you think its important, and if that SIOC RDF thing confirms its working, then I guess that's good enough...? The only part of the semantic bundle that's active at the moment is the base extension itself, but I can activate whatever other parts you say I should. There's a test page the extension's documentation tells you to make, and I make it, but the semantic tags don't process and instead of an infobox, I just see the tags themselves. I set up my own VPS, and installed Arch on my laptop, but this stuff is just bouncing off my forehead so far. BTW: I've been working on the LPK Extender page, but I've hit a bit of an impasse. I feel like I've covered pretty much everything that's been (roughly) translated, but the mods original, and rather extensive, documentation is in what appears to be Russian, and I'm not up for fumbling around with Google Translate at the moment...
varenne Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Thanks Varenne: I have read all about semantics and even already read a few of the articles you posted above' date=' but I still don't GET it, beyond that fact that it lets me run "Ask Jeeves" type queries, and maybe lets me export data to... something or other, including that SIOC RDF thing. Suffice it to say if you think its important, and if that SIOC RDF thing confirms its working, then I guess that's good enough...? The only part of the semantic bundle that's active at the moment is the base extension itself, but I can activate whatever other parts you say I should. [/quote'] You can for now just keep the minimal install/activation. What is needed is for members to volunteer their time and start to populate the wiki with content. If and when that actually happens we can revisit the additional semantic functionality. There's a test page the extension's documentation tells you to make, and I make it, but the semantic tags don't process and instead of an infobox, I just see the tags themselves. I'll try and look into it, no promises though. I'm in training all day today. EDIT: That reads like a parsing issue. Make sure MediaWiki is properly setup, then dig deeper into the Semantic MediaWiki extension. (It may also be an issue with the host provider and how they have the server configured.) I set up my own VPS, and installed Arch on my laptop, but this stuff is just bouncing off my forehead so far. Give it time. It even took me some time to understand the implications but eventually I did have an epiphany or two. The key is in structured information. Then machines can make use of it and subsequently us in new ways. Epiphanies are relatively rare occurrences and generally following a process of significant thought about a problem. Often they are triggered by a new and key piece of information, but importantly, a depth of prior knowledge is required to allow the leap of understanding. For me hypergraphs of information and knowledge was the big one, both 2d and 3d visualizations. I now use it in my work around software and system project requirements, business processes and system configuration items. It allows for visual gap and impact analysis, as part of change management in IT. If a request is made to change 'some thing' in the IT infrastructure, due to a new direction or need of the business, we can now review the impact of that change prior to actually changing it. BTW: I've been working on the LPK Extender page, but I've hit a bit of an impasse. I feel like I've covered pretty much everything that's been (roughly) translated, but the mods original, and rather extensive, documentation is in what appears to be Russian, and I'm not up for fumbling around with Google Translate at the moment... I did a machine translation of that document, I'll try and find, shouldn't be too hard and provide it either here or as a PM. It could use some more work as some terms only a native speaker would understand be able to properly translate. I would suggest trying to populate the About page with content next, as that is a 'typical' semantic 'object'. It doesn't have to be anything tremendous, just a blurb about what the wiki represents. I'll try and look in every now and then, as I go through training and getting up to speed on my new employment contract.
iggypop1 Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 This is a very good idea hope you will continue
snarfies Posted January 29, 2013 Author Posted January 29, 2013 Sorry, been kinda sick the past few days, will do some more work... soon-ish.
vashar Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Does anyone have the quest list for LoversBitch? Like what was posted on the BravilUnderground page, that is. Easier to fill in that way :B
vashar Posted January 29, 2013 Posted January 29, 2013 Uh.. There's something wrong with the Lovers Bitch UO page. I can't edit it. Trying to edit it comes up with a redirect notice. Edit: Shit. I think trying to move the page resulted in losing it. Edit2: Found an older revision and restored it from there. Just need to add a link to a quest and it should be good.
Guest Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Hey guys, I've been busy lately but I now have time to fill in some more pages I also plan on editing some pages since quite a few of them are just copypastas of threads. The wiki should help explain the mods in more depth, and to give players a better understanding of the many plugins that incorporates Lovers with Pk. By the way, I want to know your guy's thoughts on what perspective the wiki should be written in. Would it be better from a third person-esque perspective like I've done so far (check out the Joburg page for the some examples) or would it be better to write using "you"'s and what not? Also, should the wiki contain spoilers to quests/locations/etc? We also need someone to start adding more pictures to the wiki! The pages are looking a tad bit bland atm. And finally, I think there needs to be more incentive to this. It'd be great to have the community actively engaged in the making of this. I'm not really sure how it would be done though.
vashar Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Hey guys, I've been busy lately but I now have time to fill in some more pages I also plan on editing some pages since quite a few of them are just copypastas of threads. The wiki should help explain the mods in more depth, and to give players a better understanding of the many plugins that incorporates Lovers with Pk. That would likely be partially my fault. I wanted to get basic information up quickly, but didn't know much about them, heh. I was thinking people could contribute to the existing pages, so that a total re-write wouldn't be needed. (Or at least, not immediately.) By the way, I want to know your guy's thoughts on what perspective the wiki should be written in. Would it be better from a third person-esque perspective like I've done so far (check out the Joburg page for the some examples) or would it be better to write using "you"'s and what not? I've been mostly using third-person myself. Also, should the wiki contain spoilers to quests/locations/etc? I would think so. For quests, so far I've kept them to separate pages from the mod pages. The Bravil Underground page, for example. The walkthroughs are there, but you have to want to look at them.
gregathit Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Guys you are really doing a kick ass job! I really like the BUG page! You have really put some work into it!
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Thanks One thing though, I noticed something on the wiki that was quite peculier... http://www.otakubell.com/loverswiki/index.php/BowdenJennette365 Does anyone know who did this?!
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Hey guys, I've been busy lately but I now have time to fill in some more pages I also plan on editing some pages since quite a few of them are just copypastas of threads. The wiki should help explain the mods in more depth, and to give players a better understanding of the many plugins that incorporates Lovers with Pk. That would likely be partially my fault. I wanted to get basic information up quickly, but didn't know much about them, heh. I was thinking people could contribute to the existing pages, so that a total re-write wouldn't be needed. (Or at least, not immediately.) >By the way, I want to know your guy's thoughts on what perspective the wiki should be written in. Would it be better from a third person-esque perspective like I've done so far (check out the Joburg page for the some examples) or would it be better to write using "you"'s and what not? I've been mostly using third-person myself. Also, should the wiki contain spoilers to quests/locations/etc? I would think so. For quests, so far I've kept them to separate pages from the mod pages. The Bravil Underground page, for example. The walkthroughs are there, but you have to want to look at them. I understand. Is it okay if I make edits/changes/additions to those pages?
gregathit Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Thanks One thing though, I noticed something on the wiki that was quite peculier... http://www.otakubell.com/loverswiki/index.php/BowdenJennette365 Does anyone know who did this?! And the spam bot strikes!!!!! I have a feeling you will see more of this if you don't force folks to login.
vashar Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 That would likely be partially my fault. I wanted to get basic information up quickly, but didn't know much about them, heh. I was thinking people could contribute to the existing pages, so that a total re-write wouldn't be needed. (Or at least, not immediately.) Hey guys, I've been busy lately but I now have time to fill in some more pages I also plan on editing some pages since quite a few of them are just copypastas of threads. The wiki should help explain the mods in more depth, and to give players a better understanding of the many plugins that incorporates Lovers with Pk. >>By the way, I want to know your guy's thoughts on what perspective the wiki should be written in. Would it be better from a third person-esque perspective like I've done so far (check out the Joburg page for the some examples) or would it be better to write using "you"'s and what not?lockquote>I've been mostly using third-person myself. I would think so. For quests, so far I've kept them to separate pages from the mod pages. The Bravil Underground page, for example. The walkthroughs are there, but you have to want to look at them. >Also, should the wiki contain spoilers to quests/locations/etc? I understand. Is it okay if I make edits/changes/additions to those pages? By all means! Thanks One thing though, I noticed something on the wiki that was quite peculier... http://www.otakubell.com/loverswiki/index.php/BowdenJennette365 Does anyone know who did this?! And the spam bot strikes!!!!! I have a feeling you will see more of this if you don't force folks to login. I'm not so sure that's a spam bot. External links require a verification. (Which is just a bit of math though, so I guess a bot could get around it.) Speaking of verification, could it be made so that trusted contributors don't have to go through the verification process every time they include an external link? It's annoying :B
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 Thanks One thing though, I noticed something on the wiki that was quite peculier... http://www.otakubell.com/loverswiki/index.php/BowdenJennette365 Does anyone know who did this?! And the spam bot strikes!!!!! I have a feeling you will see more of this if you don't force folks to login. Quick! Someone kill it! Speaking of which... how does someone remove wiki pages? That would likely be partially my fault. I wanted to get basic information up quickly, but didn't know much about them, heh. I was thinking people could contribute to the existing pages, so that a total re-write wouldn't be needed. (Or at least, not immediately.) Hey guys, I've been busy lately but I now have time to fill in some more pages I also plan on editing some pages since quite a few of them are just copypastas of threads. The wiki should help explain the mods in more depth, and to give players a better understanding of the many plugins that incorporates Lovers with Pk. >>By the way, I want to know your guy's thoughts on what perspective the wiki should be written in. Would it be better from a third person-esque perspective like I've done so far (check out the Joburg page for the some examples) or would it be better to write using "you"'s and what not?lockquote>I've been mostly using third-person myself. I would think so. For quests, so far I've kept them to separate pages from the mod pages. The Bravil Underground page, for example. The walkthroughs are there, but you have to want to look at them. >Also, should the wiki contain spoilers to quests/locations/etc? I understand. Is it okay if I make edits/changes/additions to those pages? By all means! > Thanks One thing though, I noticed something on the wiki that was quite peculier... http://www.otakubell.com/loverswiki/index.php/BowdenJennette365 Does anyone know who did this?! And the spam bot strikes!!!!! I have a feeling you will see more of this if you don't force folks to login. I'm not so sure that's a spam bot. External links require a verification. (Which is just a bit of math though, so I guess a bot could get around it.) Speaking of verification, could it be made so that trusted contributors don't have to go through the verification process every time they include an external link? It's annoying :B Thanks , if you have any issues regarding what I edit, feel free to message me. And feel free to make edits/corrections to anything I post as well! The verification is annoying (I've never liked math). I don't know if it is possible to get rid of them. Also, does anyone know if wiki's contain "ranks" and whatnot? I would assume so in case there is a spam page that needs to be deleted (like the one we've found). If so, would Snarfies be the "admin" in a sense? I don't have too much background experience with wiki's so I'm not sure.
vashar Posted February 8, 2013 Posted February 8, 2013 On the recently edited pages list, "Sysadmin" pops up, which I assume is Snarfies. I don't know if there's anything special about that account or not, but I would assume so. Looking at the list... shit, it's been a while, I need to get back to those quests. There's also been a lot of new members- Pretty sure they're spam :x Edit: Your edits look good. Didn't know you could become the Alpha Wolf's bitch!
varenne Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Yeah, getting a handle on spammers, spam bots is important if you want to create and maintain anything useful over time. Otherwise it'll be endless pages of utter crapola, and it expands at a near geometric rate too. Sites I created/maintained/admined in the past eventually had major road blocks in place, including blocking access from entire blocks of IP addresses for entire countries; Great Firewall of China, South America, the Netherlands. Then there's the real fun stuff, like Caving that I used against specific offenders like trolls. They seem to be posting and able to publish, but in all reality it never gets posted to the main site, only they see it. Kinda mean but very useful to do to them what they are attempting to do to us; waste our time. As much as it is a pain the arse to post and publish through login mechanisms, it is in the long run the only real way to maintain a decent site. Too many script kiddies and payloading hackers out there just looking to find victims.
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