C5Kev Posted May 5, 2019 Posted May 5, 2019 Hello All. Well, I'm still having problems that whenever Win10 has a Cumulative or Window Defender update, my game's SKSE stops working. Disabling all mods and trying to start a vanilla game no longer works. So my only recourse is to re-install the game and all mods to get it working again. And despite what's been said in the past, Win10 Update CAN NOT be disabled as was possible with previous versions - only "delayed". This is extremely aggravating. ? Any ideas as to what would stop SKSE (1.7.3) from firing because I think I've tried just about everything I've seen from "searching", including re-installing DX9.
27X Posted May 5, 2019 Posted May 5, 2019 Where is your skyrim directory, and where is skse located. (aka any mod managers)
C5Kev Posted May 5, 2019 Author Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, 27X said: Where is your skyrim directory, and where is skse located. (aka any mod managers) Hey 27X. The usual Steam location - C:\Steam\SteamApps\Common\Skyrim . SKSE is in root. Don't go through a "manager" - desktop shortcut. No "compatibility" and run as Admin.
27X Posted May 5, 2019 Posted May 5, 2019 Do you have all of the steam DX/VC redistributions run? https://download.microsoft.com/download/8/4/A/84A35BF1-DAFE-4AE8-82AF-AD2AE20B6B14/directx_Jun2010_redist.exe
C5Kev Posted May 5, 2019 Author Posted May 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, 27X said: Do you have all of the steam DX/VC redistributions run? https://download.microsoft.com/download/8/4/A/84A35BF1-DAFE-4AE8-82AF-AD2AE20B6B14/directx_Jun2010_redist.exe Yeah, like I said, I've also re-installed DX9 - the June 2010 version. The odd thing is that if I just re-install the game, it works fine. Installing the game itself isn't going to affect any Win10 DX9 shit ...I wouldn't think.
27X Posted May 5, 2019 Posted May 5, 2019 I meant the vc_redist in the skyrim root directory. And since dx9 runs under essentially emulation, actually win updates could potentially affect it, ergo the Win10 memory issue a couple years ago that took the personal attention of a microsoft skyrim player to get fixed.
C5Kev Posted May 5, 2019 Author Posted May 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, 27X said: I meant the vc_redist in the skyrim root directory. And since dx9 runs under essentially emulation, actually win updates could potentially affect it, ergo the Win10 memory issue a couple years ago that took the personal attention of a microsoft skyrim player to get fixed. Well, I guess I'm not sure what you mean then. The default game install only has D3D9.ini in it's root - which, as I'm sure you know, calls C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll . So I woulda thunk that the sys dll gets screwed up somehow? Does that make any sense? And if that were true, then after re-installing the game, it shouldn't start either. I've also even tried replacing all the aforementioned root files (not the launcher or exe ) with the "Steam install versions" (for whatever good that would do) and it did nothing. So I dunno man. I'm kinda flinging shit now and hoping something will stick.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, 27X said: Does vc_redist in the root folder install anything? First, member DontTouchMeThere had asked me if I had installed SKSE via the installer or the way, for example, "Gopher" explains in one of his early vids - which is how I used to do it. I said via the installer - which I'm sure places registry entries. I would THAT could possibly be affected by updates. Whaddaya think?
27X Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 No offense to gopher, he's a nice guy, but his how to videos stopped being relevant literal years ago, and given that his final Skyrim Let's Play had a shit ton of cells he couldn't enter without CTDing and he couldn't even be bothered to find out what the problem was, and that one of his mods has a memory leak and another has to be installed twice to even sort of work, I haven't bothered following his advice in a very very long time. Full disclaimer: I still use Pumping Iron. I use a virtual manager (MO) for Skyrim, including SKSE, and I've never had the issue you describe, so you might just stick SKSE in the thing where stuff goes and call it a day, that's what I did, and windows updates have never had any affect on Skyrim* after the memory allocation fix other than the last Creator's Update breaking FixLag in my enb. *for me, this is not an absolute statement and should never be construed as an absolute statement unless you're the kind of person that eats crayons for the nutritional content.
Sladen2019 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 Windows Defender SmartScreen may be blocking it. This linked article can help deal with it, if thats the case. Its a few years old, but may still help. https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/windows-protected-your-pc-disable-smartscreen/ If it doesnt help, try disabling Windows Defender altogether, to see if its the cause at all.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, 27X said: No offense to gopher, he's a nice guy, but his how to videos stopped being relevant literal years ago, and given that his final Skyrim Let's Play had a shit ton of cells he couldn't enter without CTDing and couldn't even be bothered to find out what the problem was, and that one of his mods has a memory leak and another has to be installed twice to even sort of work, I haven't bothered following his advice in a very very long time. I use a virtual manager (MO) for skyrim, including SKSE, and I've never had the issue you describe, so you might just stick SKSE in the thing where stuff goes and call it a day, that's what I did, and windows updates have never had any affect on Skyrim after the memory allocation fix other than the last Creator's Update breaking FixLag in my enb. LOL! Yeah, I hear ya. But what he says is place all the loose files (of the SKSE archive) into the Skyrim dir and zip up the script files dir and use a manager to install those scripts. The only diff doing it that way is that it wouldn't create registry entries an installer does. Or at least that's what I think. Anyway, I'm basically still at Square 1. Something's doing this and I can't pin-point the culprit. Maybe an NVidia issue? But if I disable all mods, blow the game and re-install it via a zipped up "Vanilla As Installed via Steam", it works fine. But nothing has changed as far my 1080 is concerned (I don't think), so...? Only thing different I can think of is SKSE. All I get is a swirling circle, then it stops. Arrgghh...
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Sladen2019 said: Windows Defender SmartScreen may be blocking it. This linked article can help deal with it, if thats the case. Its a few years old, but may still help. https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/windows-protected-your-pc-disable-smartscreen/ If it doesnt help, try disabling Windows Defender altogether, to see if its the cause at all. Hello Sladen. SmartScreen (yeah, "smart") is off and I've had Defender turned off and this still occurred. I just enabled it to see if that did anything. Again, just throwing shit to see if it sticks. Thanks for your input - this is aggravating.
27X Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 I personally run the scripts raw where they're assigned in MO, if you're not using a manager there's no point in zipping them.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, 27X said: Does vc_redist in the root folder install anything? 27 minutes ago, 27X said: I personally run the scripts raw where they're assigned in MO, if you're not using a manager there's no point in zipping them. Yeah, the DX10 stuff installs. Well, seems a solution can't be found here, so Idk. I guess I'm just stuck re-installing and re-installing over and over... Uhhh... ? Thanks for your help, I do appreciate it.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 5 hours ago, 27X said: Do you have all of the steam DX/VC redistributions run? https://download.microsoft.com/download/8/4/A/84A35BF1-DAFE-4AE8-82AF-AD2AE20B6B14/directx_Jun2010_redist.exe Ah geez, I just saw (well, a few hours ago) what you're talking about. You're not talking about the June 2010 DX9 shit. So are you saying to place the above June file in the "VCRedist" folder and fire it off when this happens? As you know, "vcredist_x86.exe" is already there - but assume the above file is diff. Just wanna make sure 'cuz you're a lot smarter about this shit than I.
27X Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 I'm talking about the existing vc_redist already in the root skyrim folder and yeah that's different than the dx9 runtimes.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, 27X said: I'm talking about the existing vc_redist already in the root skyrim folder and yeah that's different than the dx9 runtimes. I'll give that a shot, but the "VCRedist_x86" file is ~5M, whereas the referenced June file is ~98M - so they can't be the same. So...? Sorry that I'm not gloming onto this quickly.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, 27X said: It's code specifically for Skyrim. LOL! the big one or the little one?
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, 27X said: the one in the skyrim root directory. Shit, sorry. I had DL'ed the file you referenced into the "VCRedist" directory, which of course, would not normally be there. ? < Idiot.
C5Kev Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, 27X said: then the little one. Yeah... Hopefully running that will resolve the problem when it rears its ugly head again. Thanks again so much for all your assistance. It's truly appreciated.
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