Wow WW has become a little complicated and bloated now...

April 2, 2019

I haven't played the Sims 4 for some time and recently just got caught up with all my mods and stuff I wanted to use, setting up sims ect. So last but least I leave wickedwhims. Having run sims 4 a ton of times before doing so to check CC and mods, I was kinda god smacked by how bloated wickedwhims has become when I finally game around to using it!

While I understand a lot of the functions are by request and he certainly needs show some form of development for a mod that basically gets over 10k a month in donations...I can't say I'm not really interested in using it anymore especially since it overrides so much stuff like base skins. I want sex elements to my game, but this mod does so much more then that now and its kind of annoying when all you want is basic sex interactions.

On gaming website called kotaku there was an article about the must use mods for this game, somebody pointed out in the comments about wicked whims and the author replied by stating the mod is very well made and supported but has become its own game (or rather changes the Sims 4 into something completely different now).

I have to totally agree, don't get me wrong I love all the woohoo interactions it provides but it also seems to become a little...overbearing. I don't remember it being like that before....

Plus wow interconnecting this mod with other mods (turning them on, ect) and finding little mods that make other mods work with WW. I mean seriously...

BOY and the settings are a nightmare to navigate now, you literally need to read the manual to understand why your changing what you are. Its nice they all get saved but jeez I much preferred the old mod that basically just allowed sims to have sex. If you DONT change or turn off stuff your town turns into a orgy and thats fun at first but eventually becomes annoying. So you basically NEED to go into the settings if you want any form of game play other then sex now, I know autonomy existed before but I don't remember WW being so intrusive before into my gameplay.

Its impressive what he has done with WW but it has far outgrown its origins and while I think thats great, I wish my old version of wicked whims still ran at least. I don't want the Sims 4 Sex game, I want the sims 4 with sex interactions.

Oh and the animations, im sorry HOW many are there now? At which point can we say that we have enough?

What do you guys think? I get that WW is awesome but has it become a little too big and could it use a smaller simpler version that just allows for sex like it first was?

EDIT: I just thought I'd paste this here a basic idea of what a "lite version" would be for WW.

Allows sex interaction between sims, select a location, select wickedwhims and then sims involved. Sex animations plays and thats it.

Settings would include basic options such as "default outfit" for woohoo (could be everyday, nude, ect) and a list of sex animations that you can add to from different animators. Finally an option to allow teens as this would need to be a base element when you selected sims involved (if they appear or not).

Simple.

*TURBODRIVER* · April 2, 2019

WickedWhims started with the idea of having a varied assortment of features. Obviously early on it didn't had much just because it was barely starting. There were no sex features in the first versions of WickedWhims at all, but you wouldn't call that bloat when it was added just because you wanted that feature. So I'm finding your perspective very selective to your personal liking. Just because a feature you don't want is added, doesn't mean it's bloat.

I don't know what kind of perspective is it to blame WickedWhims for having other users create external mods that add features interconnected with WickedWhims. It's their idea, their work, and they do it on their own.

It's a continuous effort from me to improve all settings categorization, naming, and descriptions, which should all explain clearly what their purpose is, if you give it a second to read them. The key is to give users as much customization as possible for every preference they might have, and on the sexual front, everybody have their own quirks. Just because you find a certain default setting not to be your preference, doesn't mean the majority is like so. And a lot of settings require adjusting to your specific world, as every game varies with what kind of Sims, relationships, places, and events you create. Sims is all about the creative thought and you need the ability to adjust things.

And I'm glad to inform you that a way of embedding extra save data into the game is going to be introduced in future releases of WickedWhims which should solve all save data instability issues.

If I recall correctly there are about 6000+ sex animations available out there. It's amazing how varied that environment got and everybody can find something they like and that resonates with them.

Thank you for your very deeply personal perspective on the current state of WickedWhims. I'm sure many share your perspective and would like to have the old days of the most basic actions that fit exactly what they imagine, but on the other hand, there is a huge following that is still awaiting tons of new content that hasn't been yet introduced.

I would suggest taking a new approach on the matter and being happy with the rest of the community that WickedWhims is still growing and evolving, and even the most basic functions introduced since the beginning are being improved. I'm happy creating, and I'm looking forward to making others happy with new features.

Thanks!

April 2, 2019

Most mods do one or two things, as wicked whims (or wicked woohoo) first did. So yes I liked that, I like mods that do basic things and might have depth in the form of settings to alter those things. Your mod has become so big now that it literally changes the Sims 4 into something else.

I wonder if you ever played the Sims 4 without your mod, do you understand that the Sims 4 is about providing options but not forcing any of them on you. Have you explored strangeville? Have you become a doctor? Have you built a wall of collectibles or frogs? Traveled to hidden worlds? None of those things, instead you became a sales clerk and ran a bakery! Cool! The point I'm making is these are all options you can do in the sims 4 but aren't forced on you, its make your own story.

With wickedwhims, its not an optional game play element now, its becomes a main part of the game play now all the time - and THATS my issue.

It literally changes the game into something else because its interactions become so overwhelming to the game play now. This isn't my perspective, this is fact. Its what WW does when you install it now from what I see. I think I need to say this because as you continue to develop wickedwhims your going to keep pushing away from what the Sims 4 is and into your own version of it.

I've watched ton of youtube vidoes with people now removing WW because they are trying to do some other activity and boom there is some WW interaction that wants to happen and they had to remove it because it was distracting from what they wanted to do.

Hence why I miss the old version of wickedwhims - because it was an option during gameplay - not the gameplay itself as it is now.

Your right about my perspective, but think of it this way - there is no other mod that allows sims to have sex outside of yours, so obviously nobody is going to complain about your mod. Its the only option we have. You don't know any different because you haven't been challenged by other mods like yours or for a share of your profit.

As for your huge following its invested literally in seeing your project grow, its natural for people to want something in return for providing you money and to naturally come to your defense because they have an investment in you. I doubt you'd be developing wickedwhims to the extent you have if you weren't earning money from it, as most modders leave the community as they lose interest in the Sims 4.

Regardless I honestly don't know why you haven't thought of creating a wickedwhims classic either now that I think of it, based on how big and complicated your mod is. You must realize not everybody wants a game override like this. Plus you are literally making over 16k a month according to reports I've read and yet a most people are forced to work on multiple projects to earn a living that pays out 2000 a month. You speak of giving players options but are only providing one option in the form of one mod. There are many other modders that maintain a host of large mods like sacrificial and don't make anything close to what you do and seem to be able to update them fine. You wouldn't even need to do that. Once its made, all you'd have to do is make sure it runs with new patches. Nothing else. A bare bones version of WW with bare bones maintence.

Unfortunately I doubt you will even consider a classic version of your mod despite making more money in a month then some lower income people make in a year in sweat shops working 12hr days. So I hope maybe somebody else out there reading this will think to make their own mod that goes back to the basics of just a sex animation player - because eventually WW is going to be so overbearing you will have to chose to play the sims 4 or turbos version of the sims 4.

I think its great that he has a vision for his mod, I think its great that he's making money from something he loves but it would be nice if he gave us more options in the type of mods we install and how it effects our gameplay. Not one giant mod that does everything and replaces default skins, ect without asking.

So what would wickedwoohoo classic be as a mod?

Basically I picture this:

Allows sex interaction between sims, select a location, select wickedwhims and then sims involved. Sex animations plays and thats it.

Settings would include basic options such as "default outfit" for woohoo (could be everyday, nude, ect) and a list of sex animations that you can add to from different animators. Finally an option to allow teens as this would need to be a base element when you selected sims involved (if they appear or not).

Thats it.

Simple.

All it needs to be. If they want more then thats why your normal version of wickedwhims exists.

If I knew how to mod I'd make it myself, but I don't and heres the thing - having programmed WW for so long I'm sure you would know very well how to program these features into a classic mod better then anybody. I bet you'd even find it refreshing to take a break and make something simple for once.

Maintaining it would be simple easy, it would only require updates if the newest patch broke it but since its so basic that should be easy. Otherwise you'd never have to update it beyond that.

Could turbo make this? Hell yes...I bet he could make it in a couple days and then forget about it until the next patch. Run it, if it works forget about it. Rince repeat every new patch. All there would be to it.

kirschenregen · April 3, 2019

I really enjoy WW and how immersive it is however I do think an option for WW Lite could be a good idea for those who feel similarly as OP. Similar to the sex mods for TS2&3. As I said, I've always appreciated all the additions to WW and even the number of animations options there are (though I could do without knowing bestiality animations exist -_-) however when I went to update today and I noticed the new personality archtypes I had a slightly similar feeling. I'm not sure how I feel about this new addition but I am intrigued and hope it makes gameplay that much more interesting as it can get boring at times. I haven't played with the newest update though so I hope the option to turn off personality archtypes exists in case I don't enjoy them. I find most of the extra additions to WW can be changed or turned off in settings including the option to replace default skins as OP mentioned not liking (if I remember correctly you can change which default skin the games uses).

*TURBODRIVER* · April 3, 2019

Yeah... now you lost me dude. I was interested to learn about your perspective, but now it all sounds like some kind of resentment and a lot of blind assumptions. I don't think I can please you, sorry.

But hey, I can tell you this - I will consider adding a switch to the mod that simply disables everything at once. Sounds pretty much exactly like what you're trying to say.

2 hours ago, kirschenregen said:

I really enjoy WW and how immersive it is however I do think an option for WW Lite could be a good idea for those who feel similarly as OP. Similar to the sex mods for TS2&3. As I said, I've always appreciated all the additions to WW and even the number of animations options there are (though I could do without knowing bestiality animations exist -_-) however when I went to update today and I noticed the new personality archtypes I had a slightly similar feeling. I'm not sure how I feel about this new addition but I am intrigued and hope it makes gameplay that much more interesting as it can get boring at times. I haven't played with the newest update though so I hope the option to turn off personality archtypes exists in case I don't enjoy them. I find most of the extra additions to WW can be changed or turned off in settings including the option to replace default skins as OP mentioned not liking (if I remember correctly you can change which default skin the games uses).

You can totally disable it if you don't like it, I made sure it's all packed together under one switch. It's definitely not a feature for everybody, but on its own, it's just a step to further develop what the game is missing to allow a better relationship contextualization for sexual interactions instead of exploiting the romance bar.

MortiferusX · April 3, 2019

@TURBODRIVER

I agree with the Threadstarter in that point, that WW is very overloaded right now. There are many things i like and they make sense to implement in the Main Mod.

But on the other side there are many things i never will use and they just blowing up my game with features i do not need but i have no other choice, i need to install this unwanted features to keep WW working. The new Voyeurism feature is one of that things (Sorry Turbo, that's not MY Update ?). Here would be a modular system with a base-WW and optional and modular addons so much better.

Every user has other preferences. With a modular system every user can decide by himself, which features he / or she wants to install.

You like Voyeurism? Install the official WW Voyeurism AddOn.

You like Prostitution? Here you have the official Prostitution AddOn (just a fictional future thing. I don't know, are you planning to add your own Prostitution Feature?)

You wanna kinky stuff? Install the BDSM-AddOn.

But I have no problem with the all inclusive Version. I just say i would prefer a modular system.

The only problem i have with WickedWhims is, that i have sometimes problems to give my Sims a Command because they stop this command and instead they have sex.

It would be nice to have a better queue-list where commands by the player have a higher priority then Auto-Sex.

To the last:

For my personal preferences, sexual things i would see in this game are:

Sex itself (Yes, this can WW deliver)

Prostitution (Here i use Nisa K.)

+ Poledance for Money (Animations are available, but my sims cant't get Money with WW)

+ Lapdance for Money (has same problem like Poledance)

BDSM Stuff (Azmodan and Yrsa have great Devices and there are some Animations from various Modders.) Here would be an option for real BDSM in WW great including traits like "Sadism" or "Masochism" great. For example: If a masochist is getting pain, it will be a flirty buff. Without the masochism trait it is a debuff.

*R-Lo* · April 3, 2019

So after all the time that people will say its not enough, we need this, we need a lot more that,

Autonomy is too rampant, then sims aren't doing it enough,

Then we must have more options, more clubs, forced sex and prostitution, animal sex and stds!!!!

But now it's too complicated and too much,

just can't win either way lol

April 3, 2019

11 hours ago, TURBODRIVER said:

Yeah... now you lost me dude. I was interested to learn about your perspective, but now it all sounds like some kind of resentment and a lot of blind assumptions. I don't think I can please you, sorry.

But hey, I can tell you this - I will consider adding a switch to the mod that simply disables everything at once. Sounds pretty much exactly like what you're trying to say.

You can totally disable it if you don't like it, I made sure it's all packed together under one switch. It's definitely not a feature for everybody, but on its own, it's just a step to further develop what the game is missing to allow a better relationship contextualization for sexual interactions instead of exploiting the romance bar.

I'm not resentful at all, I simply think for the amount of money you earn you could be doing a LOT more for those who support your mod. I really do not understand why it would be so hard for you to spend a single day making a classic play sex animation version of your mod if your so skilled which you clearly are. Clearly I'm not the only one that wants this now and many want more module version of your mod as it keeps getting bigger.

Now that I think about it your the only real mod out there that has so many features all tucked into one. Almost all other mods do one thing, then allow you to add modules to do more. They don't force them all on you at once.

Your mod is huge and not easy to setup with features a lot of people I bet don't even use and yes there will always be people that want more obviously! Yet I'm sure most people literally just want your mod for sex and to play sex animations. What I don't get is why your so closed minded in making a classic version of your mod, it would be very simple to maintain.

I think you have some mental block or vision of what your mod is and can't imagine it in any other way as an all in one. The idea of working on a smaller mod even briefly probably seems like more work to you, really how much time would it take you? This sucks because your not giving us options to play with sex in the sims 4 any other way unless its YOUR way.

Yes I know you give us options to disable stuff but again watching people play on streams or youtube (with your mod installed) its very clear most people don't understand why most of the things in your mod are happening.

Remember the majority of people NEVER read manuals or settings for games. They literally just want to plug and play. Why do you think so many people post the same questions over and over on game threads asking the same questions over and over. People just install and play. That means whatever you have activated is the norm for your mod because the majority of people will never know better. If its giving them problems or doing things they don't like they either suffer or just uninstall it instead of actually taking the time to figure out why or how to change settings. Literally thats most people, maybe not the ones reading this but thats why plug and play is a thing.

I read your adding personalities now to the mod too now, really? Do you really think people that download your mod initially want this forced on them? Its cool that your expanding again, but when somebody goes to download your mod thats probably not what they expected it to do. As somebody that understands your mod its just another feature I have to turn off because its not the way I want the sims 4 to be. Others do. I give you credit for giving us the option (i hope) to turn these type of features off.

Yes maybe some of your paying subscribers do want more and maybe it feels like a natural progresssion to you - but its not why i or others download your mod. I assume we will be able to turn it off. Its not a mod I want in my game (different personalities or whatever). We just want sex. Yes others want more but give them options then.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we don't want your mod to override our skins or other mods/CC we use? It seems like your mod is turning into a one stop shop and if we want to use it we have to give up a whole lot of other mods or CC just to use it.

Modules at the very least would give us control of what to add, but your forcing options on us we might not want or never plan to use, but as most gamers just plug and play - those initial settings you turn on as the creator is what most people will use. I recall reading from game developers that most people never check settings, never read descriptions. Most people just plug and play. Thats the majority and you need to tailor your mod the same way. Dont' expect people to go read descriptions. Most won't.

Anyway it might sound like I'm attack you or resentful but I'm really not and I'm happy your adding a kill switch to your features - its better then nothing but I really want you to hear is that your mod is so huge and complicated now that maybe its time to add another option. What you might sense as resentment is not, its simply me expecting more from you as I would anybody I employ for their wages. Your literally only working on one thing, even game developers are forced to work on multiple projects at once. Why can't you? Its not even like you'd have to do more then spend a day making a classic version of your mod. after that its not like you'd have to keep updating it either or adding to it. All you'd have to do is check it against new patches, what would that take like 1hr of your life every 3 months?

Is this such a crazy impossible request?

April 3, 2019

Ok so I want to reference this post you made in response to a question I asked last year:

On 11/15/2018 at 3:33 AM, TURBODRIVER said:

WickedWhims doesn't include skin details, but it overrides skin tones to include extra texture color space. You can override anything in WickedWhims with other mods. Using some skin tone overrides will break how penises look if they don't include that extra texture color space. I've made a tutorial on how to update these skin tones.

First your response and taking the time to answer community issues like this is great. I applaud you for that.

You are giving us options, thats awesome but holy cow do you really think the majority of Sim players understand what you just said or will actually make the effort to look at your tutorial? Most won't. Yes you could say well I gave them the option, its their fault if they don't follow or look into it. But your expecting WAAAY too much from gamers and people in general. There will certainly be people that follow your tutorial and use these features but they are the minority.

Again people just go for plug and play.

This statement above literally makers WW sound complicated as most sim players just dumb everything into their mod folder and hope it works.

Again I'm simple advocating for a basic classic version of your mod that doesn't change default skins for example or is overly complicated to use. I bet the majority of players will convert to it too. Most people just want simple easy to use.

RitualClarity · April 3, 2019

4 hours ago, R-Lo said:

So after all the time that people will say its not enough, we need this, we need a lot more that,

Autonomy is too rampant, then sims aren't doing it enough,

Then we must have more options, more clubs, forced sex and prostitution, animal sex and stds!!!!

But now it's too complicated and too much,

just can't win either way lol

I'd personally prefer that modules beyond some of the most basic and key features of WW be available instead of having it all inclusive. but it is what it is.. There are advantages and disadvantages for each option. Just need to actually read the instructions and be a bit more careful and ask clarifying questions when needed that is all (clarifying questions if / after searching the instructions and something isn't clear for you.. .not random... "don't work" comments. Need to do some work to resolve your own issues when you mod ANY GAME..)

Complex? Try adding 20~50 mods that are part of a framework (Fallout/Skyrim) to get anything done... Then tell me this is "complex"... lol

RitualClarity · April 4, 2019

On 4/2/2019 at 5:08 AM, HWBandit said:

What do you guys think? I get that WW is awesome but has it become a little too big and could it use a smaller simpler version that just allows for sex like it first was?

Perhaps.... but what features would be needed... must have? There is a reason it has gotten so big... everybody has ideas of what is most "essential".

However, if that could b pinned down.. .perhaps a WW light? If that happens who would monitor the threads to keep people from requesting just one more thing added to the "light" package or arguing something didn't belong among other things.

*R-Lo* · April 4, 2019

3 minutes ago, RitualClarity said:

Perhaps.... but what features would be needed... must have? There is a reason it has gotten so big... everybody has ideas of what is most "essential".

However, if that could b pinned down.. .perhaps a WW light? If that happens who would monitor the threads to keep people from requesting just one more thing added to the "light" package or arguing something didn't belong among other things.

Agreed,

Currently it does have a lot of stuff going on but everything already has a switch and can be disabled,

I play with zero Autonomy and no flashing or any features as my main interest in the game is purely visuals,

I never have sims strip down or go off and blow someone by accident, nobody has their periods etc

Some switches can also be found in more than one place too and a master switch will fulfil the request and negate the need for a lite version,

Personally I'm a bit on the fence with a lite version of a sex mod thats going to make it easier for others to use as a base for rape, beastiality and CP mods which Turbo has already been quite clear won't be part of his creation,

I don't blame him for holding onto control when I see some of the frightening things that people are into and request so freely,

If people want zoo and guro etc in TS4 then this way Turbo isn't held accountable for it.

April 4, 2019

Well I've already said it but this is what a basic bare bones version would be - the idea is that it does the very basic. You want more then you use the full version.

Allows sex interaction between sims, select a location, select wickedwhims and then sims involved. Sex animations plays and thats it.

Settings would include basic options such as "default outfit" for woohoo (could be everyday, nude, ect) and a list of sex animations that you can add to from different animators. Finally an option to allow teens as this would need to be a base element when you selected sims involved (if they appear or not).

Thats it.

*TURBODRIVER* · April 4, 2019

14 hours ago, HWBandit said:

I'm not resentful at all, I simply think for the amount of money you earn you could be doing a LOT more for those who support your mod. I really do not understand why it would be so hard for you to spend a single day making a classic play sex animation version of your mod if your so skilled which you clearly are. Clearly I'm not the only one that wants this now and many want more module version of your mod as it keeps getting bigger.

Now that I think about it your the only real mod out there that has so many features all tucked into one. Almost all other mods do one thing, then allow you to add modules to do more. They don't force them all on you at once.

Your mod is huge and not easy to setup with features a lot of people I bet don't even use and yes there will always be people that want more obviously! Yet I'm sure most people literally just want your mod for sex and to play sex animations. What I don't get is why your so closed minded in making a classic version of your mod, it would be very simple to maintain.

I think you have some mental block or vision of what your mod is and can't imagine it in any other way as an all in one. The idea of working on a smaller mod even briefly probably seems like more work to you, really how much time would it take you? This sucks because your not giving us options to play with sex in the sims 4 any other way unless its YOUR way.

Yes I know you give us options to disable stuff but again watching people play on streams or youtube (with your mod installed) its very clear most people don't understand why most of the things in your mod are happening.

Remember the majority of people NEVER read manuals or settings for games. They literally just want to plug and play. Why do you think so many people post the same questions over and over on game threads asking the same questions over and over. People just install and play. That means whatever you have activated is the norm for your mod because the majority of people will never know better. If its giving them problems or doing things they don't like they either suffer or just uninstall it instead of actually taking the time to figure out why or how to change settings. Literally thats most people, maybe not the ones reading this but thats why plug and play is a thing.

I read your adding personalities now to the mod too now, really? Do you really think people that download your mod initially want this forced on them? Its cool that your expanding again, but when somebody goes to download your mod thats probably not what they expected it to do. As somebody that understands your mod its just another feature I have to turn off because its not the way I want the sims 4 to be. Others do. I give you credit for giving us the option (i hope) to turn these type of features off.

Yes maybe some of your paying subscribers do want more and maybe it feels like a natural progresssion to you - but its not why i or others download your mod. I assume we will be able to turn it off. Its not a mod I want in my game (different personalities or whatever). We just want sex. Yes others want more but give them options then.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we don't want your mod to override our skins or other mods/CC we use? It seems like your mod is turning into a one stop shop and if we want to use it we have to give up a whole lot of other mods or CC just to use it.

Modules at the very least would give us control of what to add, but your forcing options on us we might not want or never plan to use, but as most gamers just plug and play - those initial settings you turn on as the creator is what most people will use. I recall reading from game developers that most people never check settings, never read descriptions. Most people just plug and play. Thats the majority and you need to tailor your mod the same way. Dont' expect people to go read descriptions. Most won't.

Anyway it might sound like I'm attack you or resentful but I'm really not and I'm happy your adding a kill switch to your features - its better then nothing but I really want you to hear is that your mod is so huge and complicated now that maybe its time to add another option. What you might sense as resentment is not, its simply me expecting more from you as I would anybody I employ for their wages. Your literally only working on one thing, even game developers are forced to work on multiple projects at once. Why can't you? Its not even like you'd have to do more then spend a day making a classic version of your mod. after that its not like you'd have to keep updating it either or adding to it. All you'd have to do is check it against new patches, what would that take like 1hr of your life every 3 months?

Is this such a crazy impossible request?

I'm just going to address your use of "people" and "majority", which includes calling me "close minded", because you're missing an important element about the "people" and "majority". You're talking about the "people" who are like you, which is actually the minority, because in your "close minded" perspective, you think that you're the majority, while from my "close minded" perspective, and interacting with the different kinds of communities for 3 years of development, you're the minority. But it doesn't matter, I'm done talking about this.

You have your views and your wishes, just like everybody else, and if I find that there is a strong movement towards certain changes that have to be done to WickedWhims, I address them. Once I'm going to see that being the case, which I'm glad to actually see it than hear it just from you, I will be glad to look into solutions.

And you've mentioned the skin tones overrides a few times now. There is no way of taking that override away as it's an integral element required for WickedWhims to work and look properly. These overrides do not change any visual aspect of Sims, the skins are as original in the game. They purely exist for technical reasons.

And there is a reason other mods aren't like WickedWhims, because they are not being made like WickedWhims. Tuning mods, which is the majority of mods out there, are not easy to make configurable, especially in-game, so the best they can do is divide them into pieces. Which btw, makes them very annoying to keep them up-to-date with the game.

Oh, and so far, with the money I managed to earn, I haven't found anybody who is willing to inject a chip into my brain and make me a super human. What I'm saying, is what you think is easy and fast, is not a matter of flipping a switch, and that's why it's not worth doing unless trully needed. Well... actually, it is a matter of flipping a switch, a few of them, and you can do it yourself.

18 hours ago, MortiferusX said:

@TURBODRIVER

I agree with the Threadstarter in that point, that WW is very overloaded right now. There are many things i like and they make sense to implement in the Main Mod.

But on the other side there are many things i never will use and they just blowing up my game with features i do not need but i have no other choice, i need to install this unwanted features to keep WW working. The new Voyeurism feature is one of that things (Sorry Turbo, that's not MY Update ?). Here would be a modular system with a base-WW and optional and modular addons so much better.

Every user has other preferences. With a modular system every user can decide by himself, which features he / or she wants to install.

You like Voyeurism? Install the official WW Voyeurism AddOn.

You like Prostitution? Here you have the official Prostitution AddOn (just a fictional future thing. I don't know, are you planning to add your own Prostitution Feature?)

You wanna kinky stuff? Install the BDSM-AddOn.

But I have no problem with the all inclusive Version. I just say i would prefer a modular system.

The only problem i have with WickedWhims is, that i have sometimes problems to give my Sims a Command because they stop this command and instead they have sex.

It would be nice to have a better queue-list where commands by the player have a higher priority then Auto-Sex.

To the last:

For my personal preferences, sexual things i would see in this game are:

Sex itself (Yes, this can WW deliver)

Prostitution (Here i use Nisa K.)

+ Poledance for Money (Animations are available, but my sims cant't get Money with WW)

+ Lapdance for Money (has same problem like Poledance)

BDSM Stuff (Azmodan and Yrsa have great Devices and there are some Animations from various Modders.) Here would be an option for real BDSM in WW great including traits like "Sadism" or "Masochism" great. For example: If a masochist is getting pain, it will be a flirty buff. Without the masochism trait it is a debuff.

Just to be clear, how is having the mod modular different from simply clicking a button and disabling whatever you don't want in settings? Note, that making a mod modular is more difficult, more time consuming, and more prone to technical errors and user errors.

Vanilicious · April 4, 2019

i can't read all now,but i want to say, that i love this mod and the work they do with this is amazing!

You can personalize it 100% and thats awesome. don't change, we want more of course! ♥ ?

mryakasha · April 4, 2019

Reading over this it appears people want a dumbed down version of the mod because they cannot be bothered to tweak their settings, to get exactly what they want out of the mod. yes it take a long time and you have to figure out what you want. But when so many people want such different things out of a mod like this, that can provide so many things, it makes no sense to break it up into a multiple sub mods, when you can give people settings that allow them to design the mod to their liking. It took hours to go over each animation and figure out which ones I liked from which animator, which styles I did not want to be options for autonomous use(I don't us the supernatural stuff) but at the end of all that work. I get a mod that runs how I want with no issues, besides one horny sim who really enjoys jacking off in the bathroom.

And since it's all done in the settings and not modular mods, when i switch house holds to one where I want the periods, and risks of pregnancy I don't have to add or remove mods. few clicks on the settings and presto I'm good to go.

RitualClarity · April 4, 2019

18 hours ago, R-Lo said:

Agreed,

Currently it does have a lot of stuff going on but everything already has a switch and can be disabled,

I play with zero Autonomy and no flashing or any features as my main interest in the game is purely visuals,

I never have sims strip down or go off and blow someone by accident, nobody has their periods etc

Some switches can also be found in more than one place too and a master switch will fulfil the request and negate the need for a lite version,

Personally I'm a bit on the fence with a lite version of a sex mod thats going to make it easier for others to use as a base for rape, beastiality and CP mods which Turbo has already been quite clear won't be part of his creation,

I don't blame him for holding onto control when I see some of the frightening things that people are into and request so freely,

If people want zoo and guro etc in TS4 then this way Turbo isn't held accountable for it.

As for the switches... a bit of reading or if can't find the answer... post where the switch is...
Would be very useful if someone had a very good tutorial of the current switches and what they do (photos would be good) I know I would appreciate such an item as I haven't been using WW for a LOOONG time and if I went back I would like to turn off most things.

I understand the being on a fence part about various content that isn't supported by Turbo but would a base version be different from the actual full version? I assume the content can be made for either version... regardless of if Turbo was in control of both.. only difference is more work for him (being two versions) I could be wrong.

I don't blame him for control of the mod to prevent such content but lets face it.. The current content isn't likely appreciated by EA. I doubt they want WW type of mods for their game.. yet someone (Turbo) created such content... As will happen for the questionable content that Turbo is against... Someone will make a patch and work it against his mod.. he either has to work extra hard to make changes to prevent it and keep on work ing hard or give up and accept it. The key fact is he isn't the one releasing it or distributing it. Same issue is with Sexout. AAF and Sexlab.... There is content that is very questionable ... and with a bit of effort available. That doesn't mean that the author(s) and developers of said mods are responsible for someone else's perversions. they are only responsible for their work. Just as the same applies to EA not being responsible for Turbo's work and content.

RitualClarity · April 4, 2019

8 minutes ago, mryakasha said:

Reading over this it appears people want a dumbed down version of the mod because they cannot be bothered to tweak their settings, to get exactly what they want out of the mod. yes it take a long time and you have to figure out what you want. But when so many people want such different things out of a mod like this, that can provide so many things, it makes no sense to break it up into a multiple sub mods, when you can give people settings that allow them to design the mod to their liking. It took hours to go over each animation and figure out which ones I liked from which animator, which styles I did not want to be options for autonomous use(I don't us the supernatural stuff) but at the end of all that work. I get a mod that runs how I want with no issues, besides one horny sim who really enjoys jacking off in the bathroom.

And since it's all done in the settings and not modular mods, when i switch house holds to one where I want the periods, and risks of pregnancy I don't have to add or remove mods. few clicks on the settings and presto I'm good to go.

Yes, that is one of the best benefits of having an all in one...

Also this isn't some hidden rare thing to find that is dead. The users base of this is HUGE and many have had the same issues a new person has and has learned how to get what they want... all someone has to do is ask. Instead of complaining about the "complexity" of the mod.

April 5, 2019

10 hours ago, TURBODRIVER said:

I'm just going to address your use of "people" and "majority", which includes calling me "close minded", because you're missing an important element about the "people" and "majority". You're talking about the "people" who are like you, which is actually the minority, because in your "close minded" perspective, you think that you're the majority, while from my "close minded" perspective, and interacting with the different kinds of communities for 3 years of development, you're the minority. But it doesn't matter, I'm done talking about this.

You have your views and your wishes, just like everybody else, and if I find that there is a strong movement towards certain changes that have to be done to WickedWhims, I address them. Once I'm going to see that being the case, which I'm glad to actually see it than hear it just from you, I will be glad to look into solutions.

Your mixing my examples now when you include my closed minded comment, that was about you expanding beyond your mod with a smaller, simple mod.

The majority and people I'm referring to is in reference to statistical data that shows most "people" don't read manuals or ever venture into settings unless forced to solve an issue. Even then they will often post questions, phone tech support or even return non-defective products simple because they don't bother reading manuals or checking settings. There are tons of studies, articles and reports on the internet about this from companies, websites, ect.

It is the majority of people when 85% of men don't read manuals according to studies. A simply google "% of people who read manuals" if you don't believe me.

The moment you build something so complicated that it requires a guide or lengthy manual to operate you should expect most people won't read the manual or guide. You need to plan for that.

Now instead of discussing reasons why your not open to making a smaller mod - and even addressing others who have responded here why you haven't explored making a smaller mod or turning WW into module type mod you've been super defensive. None of us are attacking you or your mod, I'm literally just pointing that your mod is really big now and it would be nice to have something smaller again.

I know you've been in the community a long time but you do realize the majority of people that use your mod will never post about it, never talk about it online or comment directly to you about it? Think of it this way, how many patreons do you have? Lets say 5000? Of those how many actually write to you or comment on your mod. Maybe 5-15%? Can you honestly say you've received 2500 individual messages or suggestions in your patreon email from each user? No because its only the minority who usually speak up.

But regardless this isn't about majorities or personal feelings, its honestly just a request for a smaller mod and you haven't explained once why your so against it beyond that your mod was always suppose to be feature rich. When I said closed minded, I was referring to that. Especially on the cusp of growing even larger, its the idea of a smaller simple mod so bad an idea to suggest to you?

Lets say you keep building on the mod for the next say 3 years, its going to be so big it won't even resemble its original wicked woohoo version.

So whats so wrong about suggesting smaller simple mod you don't have to maintain? Why are you so against the idea?

mryakasha · April 5, 2019

The statistics of who read manuals does not really prove a point, the correlation is incorrect. 85% of people don't read manuals this does not mean 85% of people don't know how to use the thing. I don't read my TV manual remote manual, but I figured out how to use all the buttons, and I would be in the vast majority there. Go to minecraft where there are super complicated mods with extremely limited guides and yet 12 year olds use them daily. The argument that who comments to Turbo also is pretty flawed. People generally don't speak up unless they have a complaint. when's the last time you went to a restaurant and asked to speak to the manager because the meal was amazing? There are things in place to limit what the mod can do, instead of using them, and learning the mod you want the creator to do a lot more work. There's nothing wrong with suggestions, but you're basically telling Turbo they're doing it wrong, and how they should do it. I would be defensive too, which I don't really see Turbo even being. You want him to explain why he doesn't want to spend time doing it, when you can't explain why using the settings isn't good enough.

RitualClarity · April 5, 2019

@HWBanditthe mod is so large because his supporters have requested this feature and that feature. Simple. ... there are patron supporters that have asked for things and he provided those features that the requested (within reason as there are some content that he isn't interested in supporting or having in the mod)

As for complexity and people not wanting it... the very nature of creating or modding a game is complex... people that come in to mod a game need to understand features and functions are being added to a game. Results may vary.. different approaches will occur... It is the nature of the business.

I state the above with the greatest respect and I understand your and those having difficulty, issues and problems. Most here do. Even if they might not come across as such. WW, even though I haven't used it in some time... is way simpler than many of the other major sex mod for other games provided for here on LL in complexity.. I have written and maintain several tutorial and guides on the matter with how complex they are.

that being said they are modular.. you can pick and choose and add and move and all sorts of things.. this causes problems.. updates of one of the parts cause problems with the others and people have to wait for this author to do this and that author to do that.. and so forth and so on... with WW.. it is all in one.. the complexity comes in settings and setting up the features you want. If you are curious.. check out my SCR Resources guide.. the PDF that is downloaded.. it is several pages long.. That or the AAF guide I created that is on line... It is very large and I was very brief on the instructions and as to the point as possible. It is complex and still people screw up steps constantly.. TO GET THINGS INSTALLED... Not even talking about the settings they need. WW is by way much more simple to install.. leaving you with just changing the settings to get what you want. ... with a community that is quick to point out and help guide you in whatever direction you want. When you talk about LL community and help.. it is excellent. and Sims section is very friendly and supportive on top of that.

Perhaps, maybe.. instead of asking for a lighter, smaller mod.. ask if there is a basic set of functions turned on by default and the rest have to be turned on by the user to gain those features... instead of being turn on by default... That would achieve the goal much more in line with what you want (simpler) and still allow those others that want to delve in and gain more options and features the opportunity to do so and not have to download and install dozens and dozens of mods etc..

@mryakasha actually quite often I will reach out to complement excellent service, food or whatever to the superiors to any place I eat at then again I am an alien so this action might not be normal... LOL

TentacleBandit · April 5, 2019

Rofl if you think managing one big mod is hard, you should try managing multiple skyrim mods all requiring OTHER mods to run with multiple settings WITH required reading to simple understand wtf your doing!

Literally got a notepad of instructions to mod my skyrim now. Sims series literally drop and play. Plus I remember kinkyworld being even bigger then wicked is, although if you just wanted sex animations you could use an animation player for S3.

Hey...K I can't test this without installing S4 but does Andrews S4 pose player (which plays animations too) play packaged sex animations? Like if I just added random guys sex animations package to the mod folder, could you select it in pose player and get animation that way?

Simple solution to this problem if it works! (if all ya want is sex animations)

*TURBODRIVER* · April 5, 2019

21 hours ago, HWBandit said:

Your mixing my examples now when you include my closed minded comment, that was about you expanding beyond your mod with a smaller, simple mod.

The majority and people I'm referring to is in reference to statistical data that shows most "people" don't read manuals or ever venture into settings unless forced to solve an issue. Even then they will often post questions, phone tech support or even return non-defective products simple because they don't bother reading manuals or checking settings. There are tons of studies, articles and reports on the internet about this from companies, websites, ect.

It is the majority of people when 85% of men don't read manuals according to studies. A simply google "% of people who read manuals" if you don't believe me.

The moment you build something so complicated that it requires a guide or lengthy manual to operate you should expect most people won't read the manual or guide. You need to plan for that.

Now instead of discussing reasons why your not open to making a smaller mod - and even addressing others who have responded here why you haven't explored making a smaller mod or turning WW into module type mod you've been super defensive. None of us are attacking you or your mod, I'm literally just pointing that your mod is really big now and it would be nice to have something smaller again.

I know you've been in the community a long time but you do realize the majority of people that use your mod will never post about it, never talk about it online or comment directly to you about it? Think of it this way, how many patreons do you have? Lets say 5000? Of those how many actually write to you or comment on your mod. Maybe 5-15%? Can you honestly say you've received 2500 individual messages or suggestions in your patreon email from each user? No because its only the minority who usually speak up.

But regardless this isn't about majorities or personal feelings, its honestly just a request for a smaller mod and you haven't explained once why your so against it beyond that your mod was always suppose to be feature rich. When I said closed minded, I was referring to that. Especially on the cusp of growing even larger, its the idea of a smaller simple mod so bad an idea to suggest to you?

Lets say you keep building on the mod for the next say 3 years, its going to be so big it won't even resemble its original wicked woohoo version.

So whats so wrong about suggesting smaller simple mod you don't have to maintain? Why are you so against the idea?

I'm sorry for meddling the "majority", "people" and "close minded" examples, I didn't bother to verify if it's all related. What I was doing was trying to explain my point, which I will reiterate for you again so it's clear what I'm saying.

I don't see a necessity for such simplified mod in neither of the communities except individuals who speak up on it. And as you said, not everybody share their opinion and speak up, a very small fraction of the community does, but that simply doesn't help their case. I can't assume there is some hidden group that wants this or that, but I can assure you, that even when an opinion is shared by an individual, I assume that they are not alone and there are more like them.

I'm not being defensive, instead, I can't allow myself to be pressured by any random person to do something I don't see fit. I'm saying a definitive no right now, and I'm saying it because I don't see any worth in making such simplified mod. There is no imaginary blockade stopping me from changing my mind, I'm open to adjusting my views when a proper ground to do so is presented. I only focused on the "people" matter, as it's not enough to hear an opinion from one person to be sure about anything. I acknowledge the points you made and I appreciate you standing by them, but from my current personal view, I don't see them as enough to make a move.

And to touch on the matter of not reading settings and such. You're most likely right that a lot of people don't want to read and configure, they want to have instant fun and gratification. I will assure you, if it shows or not, I try to design the mod in a way to makes things clear and easy to pick up without changing any settings. The settings themselves being enabled, with all of the features being offered, does not mean that everybody will want them disabled. In the worst case scenario, if a particular feature is found to be unnecessary or annoying by a user, trying to look for it in settings or contacting me will solve it. Introducing another mod stripped from all its features is just another extreme end of the spectrum of solutions on this matter.

I'm fine with WickedWhims not resembling its current state in the next 3 years, not only from growing content, but from improving and changing. And if breaking off pieces and creating separate mods is needed, I will do it, which I already talked about in the past.

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