Zeihr Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 Hello everyone. I've been playing Oldrim for quite a while, with quite a few mods (but nothing spectacular, last I check I wasn't even above a 100), and everything was going (practically) flawlessly, with only an occasional crash once every now and then (which I didn't mind that much). But yesterday, I installed a few more mods, (Death Alternative, your money or your life ; Skyrim Bathing ; Devious Devices Assets, Expansion and Integration ; Sanguine's Debauchery ; ZaZ Animation pack ; Simple Slavery ; SexLab_Dialogues ; Bandit Slut) to complete my game. I don't think I've made any mistake installing them (Using Bodyslide and FNIS properly), although if you guys can point out a mistake on my part, fair enough, but I started running into issues when trying to play the game: I boot up the game without any issue whatsoever, load my saved games without any either, but when I tried to start a new game, it would crash during the introduction cinematic (although I tried only once, so perhaps it was just a coincidence), and when I load my saved games, I can't leave the area in which I'm in (an underground, smuggler-ish INN in Whiterun added by Trainers Guild v5.4), if I try to go outside to Whiterun, the game loads forever (I gave up when it was loading for more than 10 minutes). The first thought I had was "Load order! It must be the load order!" So I ran Loot and let it do its thing, giving me a new (hopefully better) load order, which I tried without success. Seeing there was no success, I thought it might have been that my game was overloaded with scripts (I don't have the best of PCs), so I tried disabling a few scripts-demanding mods, to the point where I disabled all the mods I installed earlier. That sadly didn't even fix my issue. After researching a bit online, I heard that unless my game was suffering from severe FPS losses it's probably not the problem of scripts, and as my game seems to be running fine (although, you can guess, it's pretty hard to test how hard your game is being challenged in a small in with approximately 10 NPCs), so I thought "perhaps it's something else". So I made some more researches (including on Loverslab) and heard about TES5Edit. I used it, ran it, cleaned my mods, and although I'm sure it did something useful and not all of the time was wasted, it didn't fix my issue, I'm still loading forever. I'm now asking for help, because after further researches, I don't seem to have found anything super helpful to my specific case (but feel free to prove me wrong). I'm thinking about uninstalling everything and reinstalling from scratch if nothing else works, perhaps I can have a cleaner installation now that I understand a tiny bit better what the fuck I'm doing. I'd like also to inform that I have a few mods that are disabled, that I previously installed and all (An old body replacer I stopped using a while ago but still have the ESPs for, a couple of tiny quests mods, the "Second Great War" mod, which I didn't trigger at all on any of my games (AKA I didn't start the quests whatsoever), and the four "War against the Thalmor" mods). Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 6 6 SexLab.esm 7 7 SexLabAroused.esm 8 8 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 9 9 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 10 a Devious Devices - Integration.esm 11 b Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 12 c daymoyl.esm 13 d HighResTexturePack01.esp 14 e HighResTexturePack02.esp 15 f HighResTexturePack03.esp 16 10 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp 17 11 SexLabDefeat.esp 18 12 Third Era Attributes for Skyrim.esp 19 13 SkyUI.esp 20 14 DaedricAssassinArmorLight.esp 21 15 DaedricAssassinArmorHeavy.esp 22 16 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 23 17 ETaC - Complete.esp 24 18 Shadows - Skyrim.esp 25 19 EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp 26 1a DaedricCrossbow.esp 27 1b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 28 1c Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp 29 1d Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp 30 1e Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp 31 1f WindhelmAddon.esp 32 20 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp 33 21 Helgen Reborn.esp 34 22 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 35 23 SNOW CITY 7.esp 36 24 TRUE CITY TGES.esp 37 25 Undeath.esp 38 26 BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp 39 27 KillEssential.esp 40 28 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 41 29 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp 42 2a Unenchanted Necromancer Amulet.esp 43 2b WeaponsOf3E.esp 44 2c WhiterunAddition.esp 45 2d sanguinesDebauchery.esp 46 2e SkyrimSewers.esp 47 2f RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 48 30 HammerfellBanditsV2.0.esp 49 31 TheDomain.esp 50 32 The McMiller Chronicles.esp 51 33 Morrowind-Colored Soul Gems.esp 52 34 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 53 35 SimpleSlavery.esp 54 36 Riverwood Reborn.esp 55 37 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp 56 38 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp 57 39 ImmersiveQuesting.esp 58 3a Shadows - Dawnguard.esp 59 3b ETaC - Complete ImpeREAL Patch.esp 60 3c Bloodworm.esp 61 3d SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 62 3e Disband the Thieves Guild.esp 63 3f DawnofWhiterun.esp 64 40 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 65 41 The Grotto-Arena for Skyrim.esp 66 42 jurgholm.esp 67 43 ETaC - Complete Helgen Reborn Patch.esp 68 44 Immersive Travel.esp 69 45 Prison.esp 70 46 HoldBorderBanners.esp 71 47 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp 72 48 Trainers Guild v5.4.esp 73 49 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp 74 4a lords mail.esp 75 4b IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp 76 4c Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 77 4d Insanity's Chrysamere.esp 78 4e Insanity's Goldbrand.esp 79 4f Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp 80 50 NoRandomDragons.esp 81 51 FNISspells.esp 82 52 NonEssentialChildren.esp 83 53 TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp 84 54 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp 85 55 BanditSlut.esp 86 56 NecromancerAmulet.esp 87 57 SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp 88 58 students.esp 89 59 Apropos2.esp 90 5a Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp 91 5b VioLens.esp 92 5c Necromancer Armour Set.esp 93 5d SexLab_Solutions.esp 94 5e FNIS.esp 95 5f Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp 96 60 CMO - Complete Male Overhaul.esp 97 61 Third Era Attributes for Skyrim - Races.esp 98 62 Magnetic Eyes.esp 99 63 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 100 64 Shadows - Weather Tweaks.esp 101 65 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 102 66 Skyrim Unlocked.esp I really appreciate it if you read about my problem, and even give one small idea of what it could be about, or what I should do.
Psalam Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 Spoiler 3 minutes ago, Zeihr said: Hello everyone. I've been playing Oldrim for quite a while, with quite a few mods (but nothing spectacular, last I check I wasn't even above a 100), and everything was going (practically) flawlessly, with only an occasional crash once every now and then (which I didn't mind that much). But yesterday, I installed a few more mods, (Death Alternative, your money or your life ; Skyrim Bathing ; Devious Devices Assets, Expansion and Integration ; Sanguine's Debauchery ; ZaZ Animation pack ; Simple Slavery ; SexLab_Dialogues ; Bandit Slut) to complete my game. I don't think I've made any mistake installing them (Using Bodyslide and FNIS properly), although if you guys can point out a mistake on my part, fair enough, but I started running into issues when trying to play the game: I boot up the game without any issue whatsoever, load my saved games without any either, but when I tried to start a new game, it would crash during the introduction cinematic (although I tried only once, so perhaps it was just a coincidence), and when I load my saved games, I can't leave the area in which I'm in (an underground, smuggler-ish INN in Whiterun added by Trainers Guild v5.4), if I try to go outside to Whiterun, the game loads forever (I gave up when it was loading for more than 10 minutes). The first thought I had was "Load order! It must be the load order!" So I ran Loot and let it do its thing, giving me a new (hopefully better) load order, which I tried without success. Seeing there was no success, I thought it might have been that my game was overloaded with scripts (I don't have the best of PCs), so I tried disabling a few scripts-demanding mods, to the point where I disabled all the mods I installed earlier. That sadly didn't even fix my issue. After researching a bit online, I heard that unless my game was suffering from severe FPS losses it's probably not the problem of scripts, and as my game seems to be running fine (although, you can guess, it's pretty hard to test how hard your game is being challenged in a small in with approximately 10 NPCs), so I thought "perhaps it's something else". So I made some more researches (including on Loverslab) and heard about TES5Edit. I used it, ran it, cleaned my mods, and although I'm sure it did something useful and not all of the time was wasted, it didn't fix my issue, I'm still loading forever. I'm now asking for help, because after further researches, I don't seem to have found anything super helpful to my specific case (but feel free to prove me wrong). I'm thinking about uninstalling everything and reinstalling from scratch if nothing else works, perhaps I can have a cleaner installation now that I understand a tiny bit better what the fuck I'm doing. I'd like also to inform that I have a few mods that are disabled, that I previously installed and all (An old body replacer I stopped using a while ago but still have the ESPs for, a couple of tiny quests mods, the "Second Great War" mod, which I didn't trigger at all on any of my games (AKA I didn't start the quests whatsoever), and the four "War against the Thalmor" mods). Reveal hidden contents 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 6 6 SexLab.esm 7 7 SexLabAroused.esm 8 8 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 9 9 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 10 a Devious Devices - Integration.esm 11 b Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 12 c daymoyl.esm 13 d HighResTexturePack01.esp 14 e HighResTexturePack02.esp 15 f HighResTexturePack03.esp 16 10 CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp 17 11 SexLabDefeat.esp 18 12 Third Era Attributes for Skyrim.esp 19 13 SkyUI.esp 20 14 DaedricAssassinArmorLight.esp 21 15 DaedricAssassinArmorHeavy.esp 22 16 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 23 17 ETaC - Complete.esp 24 18 Shadows - Skyrim.esp 25 19 EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp 26 1a DaedricCrossbow.esp 27 1b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 28 1c Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp 29 1d Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp 30 1e Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp 31 1f WindhelmAddon.esp 32 20 Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp 33 21 Helgen Reborn.esp 34 22 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 35 23 SNOW CITY 7.esp 36 24 TRUE CITY TGES.esp 37 25 Undeath.esp 38 26 BetterDocks-MP-DLC-Compatible.esp 39 27 KillEssential.esp 40 28 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 41 29 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp 42 2a Unenchanted Necromancer Amulet.esp 43 2b WeaponsOf3E.esp 44 2c WhiterunAddition.esp 45 2d sanguinesDebauchery.esp 46 2e SkyrimSewers.esp 47 2f RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 48 30 HammerfellBanditsV2.0.esp 49 31 TheDomain.esp 50 32 The McMiller Chronicles.esp 51 33 Morrowind-Colored Soul Gems.esp 52 34 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 53 35 SimpleSlavery.esp 54 36 Riverwood Reborn.esp 55 37 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp 56 38 Random Vampire Attacks in Towns Disabled.esp 57 39 ImmersiveQuesting.esp 58 3a Shadows - Dawnguard.esp 59 3b ETaC - Complete ImpeREAL Patch.esp 60 3c Bloodworm.esp 61 3d SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 62 3e Disband the Thieves Guild.esp 63 3f DawnofWhiterun.esp 64 40 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 65 41 The Grotto-Arena for Skyrim.esp 66 42 jurgholm.esp 67 43 ETaC - Complete Helgen Reborn Patch.esp 68 44 Immersive Travel.esp 69 45 Prison.esp 70 46 HoldBorderBanners.esp 71 47 SexLab Eager NPCs.esp 72 48 Trainers Guild v5.4.esp 73 49 MF_RadiantProstitution.esp 74 4a lords mail.esp 75 4b IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp 76 4c Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 77 4d Insanity's Chrysamere.esp 78 4e Insanity's Goldbrand.esp 79 4f Insanity's Umbra Sword.esp 80 50 NoRandomDragons.esp 81 51 FNISspells.esp 82 52 NonEssentialChildren.esp 83 53 TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp 84 54 Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp 85 55 BanditSlut.esp 86 56 NecromancerAmulet.esp 87 57 SL_Kidnapped_Redux.esp 88 58 students.esp 89 59 Apropos2.esp 90 5a Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp 91 5b VioLens.esp 92 5c Necromancer Armour Set.esp 93 5d SexLab_Solutions.esp 94 5e FNIS.esp 95 5f Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp 96 60 CMO - Complete Male Overhaul.esp 97 61 Third Era Attributes for Skyrim - Races.esp 98 62 Magnetic Eyes.esp 99 63 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 100 64 Shadows - Weather Tweaks.esp 101 65 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 102 66 Skyrim Unlocked.esp I really appreciate it if you read about my problem, and even give one small idea of what it could be about, or what I should do. First, props on posting your load order and second, props on putting it in a spoiler. With your problem the first question has to be: do you have crash fixes and ENBoost (both available on Nexus and neither would show on your load order). If not, add these and see if your problem isn't solved. If you already have them or that doesn't solve your problem, look at the STEP wiki (you can Google it or find the link in my blog, third post - the link to that is on my signature).
Zeihr Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 Alright, I'll start by giving that a shot and see if that solves anything. I'll update in a few minutes to give the results.
Grey Cloud Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 It looks as though that last bunch of mods 'broke the camel's back'. Although you haven't got a massive amount of plug-ins there, you do have some heavy-hitters and there are a few other issues or possible issues. You should install USLEEP You should either install the Unofficial Patch for the HiRes Texture Packs or think about changing them for something less resourse hungery. Don't run daymoyl and Defeat - they do more or less the same thing and will trip over each other. Install Alternate Start Live Another Life - it will amke your life a lot easier when starting a new game. You have a lot of sex mods installed but do not seem to have any animations. You have mods doing things to Whiterun, Falkreath and Riverwood plus ETaC - never a good idea to have two or more mods affecting the same thing. You should not willy-nilly clean mods - some don't like it. Which mod manager are you using? You PC doesn't have to be a flying machine to run a six-year old game. 8Gb RAM and 4Gb VRAM (2Gb will work) works wonders. Crash Fixes https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/ SKSE Plug-In Preloader https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75795/ ENBoost (Dowload button right at bottom of screen) http://enbdev.com/mod_tesskyrim_v0366.htm https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.10.0 https://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost That should give you some food for thought. Post back with any questions. EDIT: You need to start a new game when trouble-shooting. Saves contain data from before the changes.
Zeihr Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 It did seem as if "it broke the camel's back", as you said, which is why I first thought of an overload of scripts. Quote Don't run daymoyl and Defeat - they do more or less the same thing and will trip over each other. I remember reading on Sanguine's Debauchery that to have Defeat *and* SD to run, I needed daymol, which is actually the one and only reason I instealled daymol (I imagine I should uninstall Defeat over daymol if I really don't have a choice?), but it may be outdated info/I may have misunderstood. Quote Install Alternate Start Live Another Life - it will amke your life a lot easier when starting a new game. I've been thinking about installing that for a while, I guess I'll get myself to do it. Quote You have mods doing things to Whiterun, Falkreath and Riverwood plus ETaC - never a good idea to have two or more mods affecting the same thing. I know back then I checked for compatibility, but then again, that might indeed make the whole area really heavy in terms of resources demanded, so I can imagine this might be one of the reasons this is all happening (again, I'm basically stuck inside a building in Whiterun, so I can see a link there) Quote Which mod manager are you using? I'm installing almost entirely manually, although I've used ModManager a couple of times in the past. Quote You PC doesn't have to be a flying machine to run a six-year old game. 8Gb RAM and 4Gb VRAM (2Gb will work) works wonders. That's a positive at least, because I do have that. On another note, I have indeed tried Crash Fix and ENBoost (as well as the other things coming with it), and it doesn't seem to have fixed the issue, sadly. I'll try to read a little about STEP, and if that doesn't work, and no other idea come, I'll probably reinstall the game.
Psalam Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 Don't reinstall the game! Either come back here and let us walk you through some of these issues or go to Donttouchmethere's blog for the steps needed to make certain that your game has all the help that it needs. That can be found here: Or do both. Starting over and doing the same things will only get you to the same place. "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is one definition of insanity."
Grey Cloud Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zeihr said: I'll probably reinstall the game. It might be worth doing that anyway. My recommendation would be: Read the S.T.E.P. guide and follow it as far as Step 1 and setting up the game correctly. Have a think about what you want in your game and do some research on the mods available to get it. Use a mod manager, either NMM or MO. I wouldn't bother with Vortex - too many teething problems at this time.
Zeihr Posted December 31, 2018 Author Posted December 31, 2018 Alright, an update: I managed to fix everything (Without having to disable/reinstall anything) by simply... Reading an error message I accidentally skipped. I realised I didn't have the SKSE.ini in the SKSE folder, which probably means that Crash fixes did not work as intended. I am walking through Whiterun without any lag, framedrop, or crash, and all of my mods are working. I'd like to thank you both for your help, I appreciate it a lot!
Grey Cloud Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 Good do. I'd still recommend doing what I suggested in post #7 though. In fact, I'd still suggest doing what I recommended in post #7 though. ?
Dapper Dan Pomade Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 For future reference, I'd still recommend adding Live Another Life so you can slowly add mods to a new game in a small, interior cell. The vanilla opening to the game is fairly script-heavy, so if that's going on while the game is trying to load a bunch of other script-heavy mods, something might (and probably will) get borked along the way. Best practice I've found is start in the LAL cell. Load a few mods, make sure they're working, save and quit. Load a few more, make sure they're working, save and quit. Rinse and repeat until you've got everything installed that you want to, then start your game properly. Even a well-modded Skyrim can be janky as fuck. Bethesda game gonna Bethesda game.
Grey Cloud Posted December 31, 2018 Posted December 31, 2018 A properly set up Skyrim is as stable as fuck. People are always blaming Skyrim and Bethesda for what is caused by their own ignorance.
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