Zeniff Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 Hi, If someone who is familiar with the papyrus log could look at this and tell me if they see any indication of the cause of a CTD that would be very helpful. Also, I thought it may be a bad skeleton in one of the follower mods, but it still happens when I take those out. Still doing some testing and I figure it out I will reply (or just update this post) so that people who see it do not needlessly spend time on it. Thanks, Zeniff Papyrus.0.log
Zeniff Posted November 15, 2018 Author Posted November 15, 2018 Would Mod Load Order be helpful? (Edited to include text version and spoilers) Screen Shot of load Order (Can be clicked on and zoomed in on) Spoiler Text list of load order Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp 7 7 SexLab.esm 8 8 SexLabAroused.esm 9 9 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 10 a ApachiiHair.esm 11 b ApachiiHairFemales.esm 12 c ApachiiHairMales.esm 13 d ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 14 e FISS.esp 15 f EFFCore.esm 16 10 BSAssets.esm 17 11 BSHeartland.esm 18 12 MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm 19 13 arnima.esm 20 14 SkyMoMod.esm 21 15 Heels Sound.esm 22 16 BS_DLC_patch.esp 23 17 Campfire.esm 24 18 Falskaar.esm 25 19 Gray Fox Cowl.esm 26 1a UndergroundBathhouse.esm 27 1b SGHairPackBase.esm 28 1c Wyrmstooth.esp 254 FE 0 CBBE.esl 29 1d SkyUI_SE.esp 30 1e Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp 31 1f Immersive Wenches.esp 32 20 3DNPC.esp 33 21 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp 34 22 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp 35 23 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 36 24 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 37 25 Joy of Perspective.esp 38 26 DW.esp 39 27 NusbieVoices.esp 40 28 SexLabRandomSex.esp 41 29 SexLab Inflation Framework.esp 42 2a sr_FillHerUp.esp 43 2b FertilityMode.esp 44 2c SexLabMatchMaker.esp 45 2d RaceMenu.esp 46 2e RaceMenuPlugin.esp 47 2f SOSRaceMenu.esp 48 30 XPMSE.esp 49 31 NibblesAnimObjects.esp 50 32 SLAL_K4Anims.esp 51 33 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp 52 34 KomAnimObjects.esp 53 35 AnubAnimObj.esp 54 36 SLAnimLoader.esp 55 37 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 56 38 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 57 39 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 58 3a dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp 59 3b FNIS.esp 60 3c SLALAnimObj.esp 61 3d icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp 62 3e UnreadBooksGlow.esp 63 3f RichMerchantsSkyrim_x10.esp 64 40 VioLens SE.esp 65 41 Hott Interesting NPCs.esp 66 42 RLO - Interiors.esp 67 43 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Darker.esp 68 44 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 69 45 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp 70 46 Immersive Jewelry.esp 71 47 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp 72 48 EBT - IC PATCH.esp 73 49 ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 74 4a ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L2.esp 75 4b Cutting Room Floor.esp 76 4c Hott Vampires 2.esp 77 4d BetterQuestObjectives.esp 78 4e BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp 79 4f Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp 80 50 FNISSexyMove.esp 81 51 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp 82 52 GoToBed.esp 83 53 FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp 84 54 Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp 85 55 SexyMannequinsFemale_SSE.esp 86 56 SexyMannequinsFemaleHF_SSE.esp 87 57 Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esp 88 58 Beasts of Tamriel.esp 89 59 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp 90 5a AHZmoreHUD.esp 91 5b PassiveWeaponEnchantmentRecharging.esp 92 5c MagickaPlus.esp 93 5d MannequinStayPut.esp 94 5e ub_apachii_hair.esp 95 5f ub_cell_dislayroom.esp 96 60 ub_cell_darkarea.esp 97 61 ub_cell_cavern.esp 98 62 ub_cell_maintenance_room.esp 99 63 Enchanting Freedom.esp 100 64 fastermining9-3.esp 101 65 Book of UUNP Iron And Steel.esp 102 66 Elemental Destruction.esp 103 67 Helgen Reborn.esp 104 68 RLO - Exteriors.esp 105 69 OBIS SE.esp 106 6a AnnaNPCs.esp 107 6b Man Those Borders!.esp 108 6c Ambriel.esp 109 6d AKSkyrimUnderground.esp 110 6e Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 111 6f SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp 112 70 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp 113 71 ub_cell_teleportroom.esp 114 72 ub_cell_armory.esp 115 73 ub_tapestry.esp 116 74 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 117 75 MajesticMountains_Moss.esp 118 76 moonpath.esp 119 77 JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp 120 78 Holidays.esp 121 79 WeightLessTrueAll.esp 122 7a mrbs-uniqueloot-se.esp 123 7b Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 124 7c SkyrimSewers.esp 125 7d Populated Dungns Caves Ruins Legendary.esp 126 7e Dwarfsphere.esp 127 7f High Level Enemies.esp 128 80 High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition.esp 129 81 zMirai.esp 130 82 Cloaks.esp 131 83 HeljarchenFarm.esp 132 84 Inigo.esp 133 85 WindstadMine.esp 134 86 RiverwoodKeep.esp 135 87 WinterstoneCastle.esp 136 88 Ars Metallica.esp 137 89 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp 138 8a Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp 139 8b Dr_Bandolier.esp 140 8c BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp 141 8d Frostfall.esp 142 8e MajesticMountains.esp 143 8f HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp 144 90 SofiaFollower.esp 145 91 Vigilant.esp 146 92 DoubleBedsAreForTwoPeople.esp 147 93 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 148 94 Storefront.esp 149 95 iNeed.esp 150 96 notice board.esp 151 97 WheelsOfLull.esp 152 98 ForgottenCity.esp 153 99 KnightsRest.esp 154 9a The Manipulator.esp 155 9b Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp 156 9c LADX_SSE.esp 157 9d The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp 158 9e Shindara.esp 159 9f FireBurns.esp 160 a0 OBIS SE - NoticeBoard - Addon.esp 161 a1 BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp 162 a2 Vigilant Voiced.esp 163 a3 ElementalArrows.esp 164 a4 WetandCold.esp 165 a5 FasterCasting.esp 166 a6 FasterHorses.esp 167 a7 Dragonborn Delayed - After Dragonslayer.esp 168 a8 High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp 169 a9 High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp 170 aa Elemental_Staffs.esp 171 ab UIExtensions.esp 172 ac LazyBodyEdit.esp 173 ad LazyCBP.esp 174 ae Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp 175 af Skyrim Sizes.esp 176 b0 Potions.esp 177 b1 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 178 b2 SkyrimRecycling.esp 179 b3 VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp 180 b4 High Level Enemies - SIC SE Edition - Falskaar.esp 181 b5 BlendedRoads.esp 182 b6 Whistle.esp 183 b7 Realistic-Voice.esp 184 b8 Simple AUA.esp 185 b9 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 186 ba RLO - CRF Patch.esp 187 bb RLO - Effects.esp 188 bc RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp 189 bd Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 190 be Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 191 bf NewmFullPlate.esp 192 c0 fantasystylefollowers.esp 193 c1 SexLab Romance.esp 194 c2 Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp 195 c3 AddItemMenuSE.esp 196 c4 Book of UUNP - Textures.esp 197 c5 RaceMenuHH.esp 198 c6 JaxonzRenamer.esp 199 c7 JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp 200 c8 J42_ArmorRatingRedux.esp 201 c9 TorchesCastShadows.esp 202 ca MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp 203 cb more plants all extra.esp 204 cc SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp 205 cd Jop - BrumaPatch.esp 206 ce Yashira.esp 207 cf Nemain.esp 208 d0 CaesiaFollower.esp 209 d1 DoubleBedsVoicePatchCaesia.esp 210 d2 DoubleBedsVoicePatchSofia.esp 211 d3 DoubleBedsVoicePatchYashira.esp 212 d4 DoubleBedsVoicePatchAmbriel.esp 213 d5 Dezicrah.esp 214 d6 OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp 215 d7 MHIYH.esp 216 d8 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp 217 d9 sandboxcylinderheight.esp 218 da Nerida.esp 219 db ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp 220 dc RiverwoodKeepUSSEP.esp 221 dd LazyHeels.esp 222 de DoubleBedsVoicePatchNerida.esp 223 df Claire.esp 224 e0 Toccata.esp 225 e1 Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp 226 e2 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp 227 e3 Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp 228 e4 Rigmor.esp 229 e5 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 230 e6 CWICRFSEPatch.esp 231 e7 Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp 232 e8 RLO - IC Patch.esp 233 e9 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 234 ea RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp 235 eb EFFDialogue.esp 236 ec RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp 237 ed Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 238 ee BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp 239 ef RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp 240 f0 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 241 f1 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 242 f2 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp 243 f3 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp 244 f4 CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp 245 f5 Elemental Destruction - Ordinator Patch.esp 246 f6 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp 247 f7 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 248 f8 RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp 249 f9 RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp 250 fa RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp 251 fb XenWA.esp 252 fc XenKY.esp
Psalam Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 Spoiler 5 hours ago, Zeniff said: Would Mod Load Order be helpful? Your load order WOULD be helpful but I am afraid that my 62 year old eyes can not make out any detail. Could you please download your load order from LOOT (it is the icon on the upper right hand in the blue bat that looks like 3 vertical dots or buttons). Would you please also place it in a spoiler (I'll put directions for that at the end if you don't know how to do it). Could you also better explain the circumstances of your CTD. Does it occur when you are loading a new game? If so does it happen BEFORE you get to the main menu screen or only after you hit NEW? If it occurs while p-laying what sorts of things tend to be occurring when you get the CTD? Some basics. Do you already have crash fixes and ENBoost? What skeleton are you using? To use a spoiler. When you are typing a post there is a bar that runs across the top that starts with "Size" and "Font." About halfway across there is an icon that looks like an eye (it is just to the right of the smiley face emoji icon). When you press that you will get a spoiler (like the one you see at the top of my post where I quoted you. By the way, since I quoted you - see the button at the bottom of a post - you will get a notification, that can expedite communication). Now, if your cursor is not already inside the spoiler box use your mouse to put it there. Then simply paste whatever you need to inside the box and you're done. Using the spoiler box for "walls of text" (like the load order I just asked you for), for multiple screenshots or videos helps to improve the site's performance.
Zeniff Posted November 15, 2018 Author Posted November 15, 2018 Ok, I put the graphical load order and a text based on in spoilers. I did not realize you could save the list like that (well to the clipboard) from loot, so the post is all ready worth while, I learned something. Ok, the crash occurs like this: I create my charter completely (including saving a preset) The game starts up (although rather slowly) Lots of messages occur about mod configuration and MCM consoles being loaded. I am asked for the dates for configuring Holiday. I enter random for all the dates. more messages about configuring Mods and then CTD. Completely consistent and completely reproducible. Seems just like a bad skeleton some place, but hell if I can find it this time. I am using XP32MSSE for my skeleton. Troubleshooting Steps (as of this moment) taken (Will update here) Spoiler Altered load order around to attempt to address things like .esms being below .esps which were not caught by loot for some reason. reran loot again after making the manual changes. Disabled all custom follower mods (often guilty of having bad skeletons) reinstalled XP342MSSE Disabled Double Beds are for two people and its patches (Last thing I added before noting the crash, thought I did a lot more between it and known good mod state) Searched every skeleton_* file in my mods folder (using MO) and compared date and file size with the one from XP32MSSE. Tried it without any patches, just in case one of them was out of date compared to the mod it was patching. Currently - starting the process of selective disestablish of .ESPs to see which one causes the crash.
Psalam Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 Spoiler 47 minutes ago, Zeniff said: Ok, I put the graphical load order and a text based on in spoilers. I did not realize you could save the list like that (well to the clipboard) from loot, so the post is all ready worth while, I learned something. Ok, the crash occurs like this: I create my charter completely (including saving a preset) The game starts up (although rather slowly) Lots of messages occur about mod configuration and MCM consoles being loaded. I am asked for the dates for configuring Holiday. I enter random for all the dates. more messages about configuring Mods and then CTD. Completely consistent and completely reproducible. Seems just like a bad skeleton some place, but hell if I can find it this time. I am using XP32MSSE for my skeleton. Troubleshooting Steps (as of this moment) taken (Will update here) Reveal hidden contents Altered load order around to attempt to address things like .esms being below .esps which were not caught by loot for some reason. reran loot again after making the manual changes. Disabled all custom follower mods (often guilty of having bad skeletons) reinstalled XP342MSSE Disabled Double Beds are for two people and its patches (Last thing I added before noting the crash, thought I did a lot more between it and known good mod state) Searched every skeleton_* file in my mods folder (using MO) and compared date and file size with the one from XP32MSSE. Tried it without any patches, just in case one of them was out of date compared to the mod it was patching. Currently - starting the process of selective disestablish of .ESPs to see which one causes the crash. If you are really using XPMSSE then you have probably diagnosed your problem (assuming that you are playing the original Skyrim aka Legendary Edition, LE or Oldrim as opposed to Special Edition (SE)). Try swapping out your skeleton for the one found here: When you hit the download button you want the file ON THE TOP. The one on the bottom is for Special Edition. Without going into too much detail all your mods need to be for either LE or SE. With very rare exceptions if you use SE mods in LE (or vice versa) you will get a crash.
Zeniff Posted November 15, 2018 Author Posted November 15, 2018 I am using SE, not LE, but I will try the SE version.
Psalam Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 Let me make sure that I understand your reply. You are using Skyrim SE and the XPMSSE skeleton for SE. In that case are you certain that your other mods are also for SE?
Grey Cloud Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Zeniff said: I am using SE, not LE, but I will try the SE version. Then you are in the wrong place. This is LE tech support. Check all your mods are SE compatible. You are running close to the 254 max esps. You have lots of mods adding lots of content. 2 hours ago, Zeniff said: reran loot again after making the manual changes. Pointless doing it in that order as LOOT will move them again.
Zeniff Posted November 15, 2018 Author Posted November 15, 2018 Thanks for your help. I know its a conflict between immersive armor and something else now, just have to keep digging till I find the something else, then decide which I want to keep. -Zen Added (Sharing Findings): For those that attempted to help, LE or SE makes no difference in this case. The issue I was running into is known to the Immersive Armor team. There is a conflict with Rigmor of Bruma and Immersive Armor. The conflict only occurs when immersive armor is configuring. So these are ones options. 1. Run Either Immersive Armor or Rigmor of Bruma. 2. Do not include Rigmor in your initial build for Skyrim, once Immersive armor is configured, then add Rigmor into your load order and do not ever enter Immersive Armor in the MCM again, unless you disable Rigmor. Life is good when you figure out a problem after hours of testing.
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