Evan555alpha Posted June 1, 2018 Posted June 1, 2018 So, I've got a moderately modded game, which otherwise works perfectly fine. The problem: Sporadic crashes. No "Skyrim has stopped working" windows, no "Pure virtual function call" windows, nothing. Just the game exiting without any warning. I checked Windows' own event viewer, and there was nothing listed in relation to Skyrim that I could find. Whether or not that's because I need to fuck about with OS logging to catch it, or because Skyrim isn't even leaving a crash event, I don't know. These crashes happen few and far between. One day I'll have the game open for ~8 hours without an issue, and the next I won't be able to go 15 minutes without this issue happening. Time between crashes varies between those amounts of times. They do not appear to be location dependent, as all of them have occurred when I was doing different things, be it trading with a merchant, or just running around, exploring the world. Going through the papyrus logs as well, there seems to be no consistency to the last few lines. They are attached at the end of this post. My setup: PC specs are as follows: i7 6700k running @4.0GHz 16 GB of 2133MHz DDR4 memory EVGA GTX 1050ti SC edition running @ stock speeds Intel 760p series 128GB M.2 SSD as the boot drive Toshiba 7200RPM 3TB HDD as the game/not-so-used programs drive. i.e. where Skyrim is installed to. Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit version 1709 OS Build 16299.431 I am running Skyrim Legendary Edition version 1.9.32.0 I am using SKSE version 0.1.7.3 I am using FNIS "Generate FNIS Behaviour files for Users" version 7.4.5 I am using Dual Sheath Redux Patcher version 1.7.2 I am using LOOT version 0.12.5 with masterlist revision fa38e00 I am using ENBSeries Wrapper version 0.3.1.9 I am using Nexus Mod Manager version 0.63.14 I currently have it so that both vanilla Skyrim launchers, the SKSE launcher, and FNIS all 'launch as administrator'. I don't know if that would have any adverse effects, but I'm noting it here anyways. I do not use NMM to download mods, I merely use it to install mods to keep track of overwrites. I have cleaned my vanilla masters, save for Skyrim.esm, as per the Modding Guide's Instructions, and have otherwise followed said guide as close as possible. FNIS complains of one missing animation file which 'Bathing In Skyrim' uses. It appears that the specific animation from the mod that BIS references no longer exists in that mod, at least, not under the same name that BIS expects. This is one of two animations that BIS references, the other is there. Attached are my ini files for SKSE and the base game. My load order is as follows: Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 hdtHighHeel.esm 7 7 Heels Sound.esm 8 8 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 9 9 RaceCompatibility.esm 10 a UnlimitedBookshelves.esp 11 b RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 12 c RaceMenu.esp 13 d RaceMenuPlugin.esp 14 e SkyUI.esp 15 f FNIS_PCEA2.esp 16 10 KKSDGWeightSliderFix.esp 17 11 KKSDrBWeightFix.esp 18 12 DHuntress.esp 19 13 KKFur.esp 20 14 FullBootForKKSA.esp 21 15 FlameAtronachArmor.esp 22 16 Luxury Collection.esp 23 17 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 24 18 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp 25 19 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp 26 1a dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp 27 1b EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 28 1c ELFX - Exteriors.esp 29 1d Superl3.esp 30 1e ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp 31 1f ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp 32 20 Vividian - Weather Patch CoT.esp 33 21 ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-3.esp 34 22 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 35 23 WetandCold.esp 36 24 WetandCold - Ashes.esp 37 25 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 38 26 EK_RingLimiter.esp 39 27 Breast Size Scaling for NPCs.esp 40 28 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp 41 29 Vividian - Red light Fix.esp 42 2a Vividian - Torches Preset.esp 43 2b Vividian - Wearable Lanterns Preset.esp 44 2c Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 45 2d Vivid Snow.esp 46 2e AcquisitiveSoulGemMultithreaded.esp 47 2f JK Crafting Breakdown - Dawnguard.esp 48 30 JK Crafting Breakdown - Dragonborn.esp 49 31 JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfires.esp 50 32 JK Crafting Breakdown.esp 51 33 RichMerchants.esp 52 34 ELFX - Weathers.esp 53 35 IcePenguinWorldMap.esp 54 36 Vividian - Weather Patch Vanilla.esp 55 37 Point The Way.esp 56 38 00SexyHouseVendors.esp 57 39 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 58 3a UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp 59 3b ElderOutfit-NoBijin.esp 60 3c buildablehouse.esp 61 3d Spells Cast Light.esp 62 3e Colorful_Magic.esp 63 3f ScopedBows.esp 64 40 LegendarySmithingUpgrades.esp 65 41 Dual Sheath Redux.esp 66 42 Footprints.esp 67 43 AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp 68 44 The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp 69 45 dc-mana-tanks-000.esp 70 46 MagicNipple.esp 71 47 P1FlyingRing.esp 72 48 Animated Dragon Wings.esp 73 49 AchieveThat.esp 74 4a OverflowingEnchant.esp 75 4b UnreadBooksGlow.esp 76 4c iHUD.esp 77 4d ScopedBows_EagleEyeTweak.esp 78 4e ScopedBows_ArrowTweaks.esp 79 4f ElementalArrows.esp 80 50 SuccubusRaceLite.esp 81 51 Elemental Staves.esp 82 52 XPMSE.esp 83 53 Customizable Camera.esp 84 54 br_enl.esp 85 55 Player Size Adjuster.esp 86 56 GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp 87 57 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 88 58 Amame_follower.esp 89 59 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp 90 5a Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 91 5b Golden Oaks MLP.esp 92 5c Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp 93 5d iNeed.esp 94 5e Remodeled Armor.esp 95 5f SexyBikinis.esp 96 60 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp 97 61 throwingweapons.esp 98 62 throwing_weapons_leveledlists_plugin.esp 99 63 CASM.esp 100 64 DietBasedButt.esp 101 65 FNISSexyMove.esp 102 66 FNIS.esp 103 67 FNISspells.esp 104 68 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 105 69 ELFX - Hardcore.esp 106 6a Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp I am using the following SKSE plugins: Spoiler BugFixPlugin Chargen CrashFixPlugin DoubleJumpPlugin Fuz Ro D'oh hdtHighHeelNative hdtPhysicsExtensions JContainers MemoryBlocksLog MfgConsole mzinWaterUtil nioverride SafetyLoad SetVehicleFixPlugin SKSE_JoyOfPerspective StorageUtil Their respective ini/log/txt files are in the attached archive. What I have tried doing: Various crash fixing/memory patching plugins/mods/tweaks, as seen above. Using the ENB Forced Borderless Windowed mode. Ensuring that FNIS/SKSE/ENB/Patches are all up to date. Ensuring that LOOT/FNIS has been used. What I have yet to try: Vanilla/SKSE only. Modded with no HDT/BBP/TBBP anything. I don't even know if there is something specific that could be causing these crashes, or whether or not it could plainly be summed up as Oldrim being Oldrim. Script.rar ini_log_txt.rar Game INI.rar
RW311 Posted June 1, 2018 Posted June 1, 2018 skyrim.ini under papyrus settings bEnableTrace=1 << change to 0 this is eating up cpu resources that are better spent on keeping framerate stable From crash fix log 30 May 23:43:31 WARNING: ExpandSystemMemoryX64 must be set false in enblocal.ini or you may experience additional crashes! I don't use this mod so maybe this warning is always here? This is mostly speculation but from my experience from xpmse features the game does not handle dynamic scaling very well. If my game starts random ctd I always would find this in the logs XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect, which I don't know why it was running because I don't use any of it other than for the sos menu. Deleting the scripts from the save file would stop the random ctd, I can only guess it's scaling it may be something in the mod scripts that is buggy. I just don't use it and make sure it never runs any script other than load the menu for character creation.
Sladen2019 Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 You are using UFO, which is the least favored of the 3 big Follower management mods. EFF is the ideal way to go these days. You are still using SafetyLoad. Its not recommended to use it along with Crash Fixes. I'd get rid of SafetyLoad. I personally stopped using Dual Sheath Redux a long time ago. Less maintenance and no more XPMSEWeaponStyle errors spamming my papyrus. Papyrus spam can lead to stack dumps which can lead to CTDs and other bad stuff.
Evan555alpha Posted June 2, 2018 Author Posted June 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Sladen2019 said: You are using UFO, which is the least favored of the 3 big Follower management mods. EFF is the ideal way to go these days. You are still using SafetyLoad. Its not recommended to use it along with Crash Fixes. I'd get rid of SafetyLoad. I personally stopped using Dual Sheath Redux a long time ago. Less maintenance and no more XPMSEWeaponStyle errors spamming my papyrus. Papyrus spam can lead to stack dumps which can lead to CTDs and other bad stuff. Cheers. I didn't know about the better follower overhauls and will switch over asap. I'll also remove SafetyLoad. If the crashes remain persistent, I'll also remove DSR. 14 hours ago, RW311 said: skyrim.ini under papyrus settings bEnableTrace=1 << change to 0 this is eating up cpu resources that are better spent on keeping framerate stable From crash fix log 30 May 23:43:31 WARNING: ExpandSystemMemoryX64 must be set false in enblocal.ini or you may experience additional crashes! I don't use this mod so maybe this warning is always here? This is mostly speculation but from my experience from xpmse features the game does not handle dynamic scaling very well. If my game starts random ctd I always would find this in the logs XPMSEWeaponStyleScaleEffect, which I don't know why it was running because I don't use any of it other than for the sos menu. Deleting the scripts from the save file would stop the random ctd, I can only guess it's scaling it may be something in the mod scripts that is buggy. I just don't use it and make sure it never runs any script other than load the menu for character creation. The 30th of may was two or so days ago for me; I had changed the setting between the time that that error occurred, and the time that I posted the OP. I believe that I have more than enough CPU power to spare in a single core to allow traces to remain on. However, if these crashes are still persistent even after removing DSR, I will turn it off.
Grey Cloud Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 I don't know most of the mods you use but I notice you have several weather/lighting type mods going on there. You have body scale/size changers; HDT stuff; (I'm guessing) more than one kill move mod; more than one smithing overhaul mod; more than one enchanting overhaul mod; more than one magic overhaul. Not saying that any particular one of these is causing your problem but they all have the potential. As a rule of thumb it is not a good idea to have two or more mods doing the same thing. Also, HDT has a reputation for causing problems, as do body shape/scale changers. This might give you some insight into what is happening: Skyrim Performance Monitor
Evan555alpha Posted June 2, 2018 Author Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Grey Cloud said: -snip- Thank you for pointing those out. I will go through and remove the conflicting mods, provided they don't do anything else I like. 'Superl3.esp' has already been removed, as it was a never properly uninstalled 'ENB'. I should note that during the past four hours, after removing Safetyload and switching to EFF, I have not crashed. Hopefully, the next few days will prove that today wasn't a fluke.
Grey Cloud Posted June 2, 2018 Posted June 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Evan555alpha said: Thank you for pointing those out. I will go through and remove the conflicting mods, provided they don't do anything else I like. 'Superl3.esp' has already been removed, as it was a never properly uninstalled 'ENB'. I should note that during the past four hours, after removing Safetyload and switching to EFF, I have not crashed. Hopefully, the next few days will prove that today wasn't a fluke. A couple of points. Keep in mind that you will not get a completely crash free Skyrim - no such beast exists. I always give the game a few sessions to settle down after I've made changes. It's surprising how many problems go away if you ignore them long enough. Have a look at the S.T.E.P guide, it's more up to date than the one you linked. Not saying it's better but it might touch something the other didn't.
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