Group Sex Autonomy Issue

[Awarlock]

Hey there, I've encountered a problem where all sims (NPC and player) seem to have stopped asking to join existing sex scenes with two actors. I'm struggling to figure out a possible cause for it. Sims used to ask to join seamlessly before I updated to the April 24th WW. I suspect something about that update messed it up, because I replaced the WW files rather than removing the old ones and then inserting the new ones in their place.

 

I've tried a number of steps to correct the issue:

-A clean save and checking all the autonomy settings.

-Deleting all mods, re-installing the game, and then installing the bare minimum (WW and a few animation packs)

 

What I've discovered:

-Sims will ask to join masturbation scenes. But once there are two actors involved, they won't ask to join.

-I can start group scenes manually through the Invite to Join option. 

 

Needless to say, I'm stumped. Any advice on what other things to try would be helpful!

 

[TURBODRIVER]

Hey! A thing that happens when you start a sex interaction is a roll of a number that if between 2 and the highest number of actors that can fit in an animation or if you have sex autonomy set to High then it's 3 and the highest number of actors that can fit in an animation.

This way one sex interaction that is running won't suck in every Sim around and instead allow them to create new interactions.

It's possible that the roll for the max Sims in the interaction is often 2 for you.

[Awarlock]

Thanks! That's good info to have, but I do in fact have autonomy set to high. If I'm understanding right, that means the roll is between 3 and the highest number of actors possible. But I haven't been getting autonomous threesomes. I've tested with a household of eight I set to have full romance with each other. They're having sex like crazy, but never joining in past masturbation.

 

At some point today, I'll probably do a factory reset and see if that does the trick.

 

Update: I went back to an older version of WW and that fixed the problem. I'll try re-installing the mod again now that I've traced the problem back to WW itself.

[TURBODRIVER]

Well... consider doing a clean up then: https://wickedwhimsmod.com/cleaning-game-save/

[NaniNya]

Sorry to bump an old post, but I am having somewhat the same issue. I found it is working if you are on the party event at The Bluffs or Ancient Ruins.

Once you start solo with playable sim, they will join (up to 3 or 4 sims at the same time), but not on own home  lot, or at dance clubs etc.

 

I did all 3 methods of cleaning which resulted in same behavior. It feels as if it is intended, since when they see it happening they always react on it but never join on those lots. Except for the party event lots from The Bluffs/Ancient Ruins.

 

When there is no event but using travel, this never happens. If this is intended behavior, I would like to request a feature to separately enable it on any lot.

 

I have used "extreme" and adjusted some values to increase the likelihood of interactions happening ("Trigger attempts count" to 120), but it doesn't change anything. Group sex does not happen unless you are on a party event on specific lots.

 

*Edit:

"In addition to this message. If you're using ColonolNutty CNWW or Nisa K WP, remove that before you even try reporting anything. "

- Just in case, I am not using both mods so far, I removed other mods not in relation to WW just in case (still same results).

- Using latest version 4.3.5.139h, used 4.3.5.139g too, but seeing some are complaining about stuck animations I might try and downgrade to 4.3.5.139e and see if this solves the issue.

- Just a side note, before asked as I see, minimum actors is set to 10, and well over 100 attempts have been made in total, made sure there were no additional females as well.

 

[Scorpio]

I've been wanting to know why this isn't working myself for some time now.

 

But at least you've actually seen some autonomous 'group sex' working.

 

I've been playing for 2 months and never see any more than 2 sims in sex acts.

 

Females left without a M partner usually just go masturbate but not always, (Intensity set to Extreme). 

[NaniNya]

Scorpio, if you get a call "There is something crazy party going on at" and then at one of those places (The Bluffs or Ancient Ruins), there it should work once you start solo, tried few times and keeps working at least at those 2 places, however going there yourself inviting friends doesn't work . It looks to be intended at some point but probably isn't.

 

Let me know once you have one of those 2 calls and tried it out, for me it works so far every time and up to 4 joins (think I miss 5 male animations).

 

I did disable at some point the solo sex options but should have no effect if it is either enabled or not, but was more to prevent them being busy with themselves.

 

Oh don't get mistaken if it is some kind of house party or at a nightclub, because those events didn't work for me either. It is a shame as those calls can be rare.

 

Edit: I can record it when the call comes in and post that but not sure if censoring is required?

[Scorpio]

8 hours ago, NaniNya said:

Scorpio, if you get a call "There is something crazy party going on at" and then at one of those places (The Bluffs or Ancient Ruins), there it should work once you start solo, tried few times and keeps working at least at those 2 places, however going there yourself inviting friends doesn't work . It looks to be intended at some point but probably isn't.

 

Let me know once you have one of those 2 calls and tried it out, for me it works so far every time and up to 4 joins (think I miss 5 male animations).

 

I did disable at some point the solo sex options but should have no effect if it is either enabled or not, but was more to prevent them being busy with themselves.

 

Oh don't get mistaken if it is some kind of house party or at a nightclub, because those events didn't work for me either. It is a shame as those calls can be rare.

 

Edit: I can record it when the call comes in and post that but not sure if censoring is required?

So far most calls have either been for Nightclubs or the Haunted Estate in Winford, which is a dud for sex locations anyway.

Tempted to delete some of the ropes in the house, lol.

 

Have to pay more attention to the locations now...

[NaniNya]

I have waited yesterday too, I haven't got a new call as well. But in any way even if the call comes, which is pretty rare, I do hope it will get fixed/implemented for all lots. Waiting for a call for a special situation makes my sims sad

[Scorpio]

8 hours ago, NaniNya said:

I have waited yesterday too, I haven't got a new call as well. But in any way even if the call comes, which is pretty rare, I do hope it will get fixed/implemented for all lots. Waiting for a call for a special situation makes my sims sad

Funny thing too about WW minimum actors settings: [3 default]

You would think this setting would prevent 2 sims, or 1 sim solo, from having auto sex but it doesn't seem to matter what it's set at.

I don't understand the reason for this setting, or the programming, but it should just be removed IMO.

 

I've seen all the orgy animation demos by the authors and they're using beds, sofas, etc., in homes.

How do they get them to work?

Doesn't seem to be related to 'events' or 'certain locations', for them.

 

I've tried manual mode but can't even get any of those animations to show up for selection.

I can pick one sim OK, but if I pick more than one it says 'no animations available for that...', even if random is used.

(But maybe I have too many animations disabled, although all the orgy & harem ones are still enabled).

 

I've have gotten an extra female to join in but she was doing a male animation at the start, so I had to do a manual change position and select a FFM one.

And the MMF animation I was on the receiving end instead.

(Gender issues?)  

 

Nobody has ever written a detailed manual for Wicked yet, or at least I haven't found one anyway.

 

Many people have questions about why a certain feature doesn't work, and a pinned/linked manual might answer most of those questions.

(At least the ones related to settings anyway) 

 

Sorry for the long winded blab btw.

[NaniNya]

well I figured out one thing on one of my latest saves (although it never happened before, it did now and it was a test save to make sure my other save wasn't misbehaving).  But I have noticed one issue which can hold group sex a lot

 

The setting minimum actors, so far that I read is for a roll, involving minimal people each time a sex act is setup. Once an act is going to happen it will roll between minimum set to the maximum you have with animations.

 

If you choose a certain location (like single bed) things may not happen there if you have no animations for it. This is why I always tried with ground. But I do notice they rather choose going one on one rather than try joining existing one or one that is about to start. After a bit this get annoying as they all end up making pairs of 2, and my sim doesn't get into any groups and as the test save exists out of 7 male and 1 female, taking control and stopping will just result for another attempt rather joining into/making a group.

 

So it does work, somewhat/kind-awish, but unfortunately not near perfect. Maybe some trait for persons that causes everyone rather focused on that sim than on any other?

 

I also have to figure out now why my main save is behaving badly as it doesn't happen at all on that one except on the 2 events I mentioned before.

 

Also, I found a command: ww.testsexautonomy  but seems not to work, at least I do not see anything :s I wonder if this is changed

[Scorpio]

Makes me wonder if that 'roll' is affected by the majority of animations being made for 2 sims, as there are only a few animations for more than 2.

 

Only because it seems to be based on a 'sex position' or a start animation also.

 

An interesting test would be to disable all the animations except for the multi-sim ones and see what happens.

(Too much time involved for me to test though, lol).

 

The idea being... sims would have no other choice except for group sex.

 

Strange too: I've had several different sims over to my house and they repeatedly went to the same chair in the bedroom, and used the same animation at least twice in a row now. 

[NaniNya]

Well, so far I don't think animation category is the problem however I am currently disabling animations MALE+MALE, MALE+BOTH, BOTH+BOTH until the males stop having sex with eachother and see if I can bring some rest here. For some reason in the test save they ignore getting into the group now completely.

 

It will take a bit to figure out. Also what I noticed is, MALE+MALE does seem to trigger happily but I haven't seen any FEMALE+FEMALE going on at autonomy. Not sure if you have noticed anything the same?

 

Unfortunately, the main save seems to be broken completely in this. But I will try copying over the disabled animations to see if it is working.

 

I doubt it is going to work, we will see, but if we already need to do so much then it really seems groupsex autonomy is broken/half working. The test save no longer seems to work as well, I went to a club as this was working before, disabled all female autonomy around me to make sure and yet only 1 person comes up and that's it.

 

Hope TURBODRIVER can let us know how we can see what sims are thinking, as so far the commands ww.testsexautonomy is not working for me I have no insight on what is happening with the other sims. This can give him insight on this problem as well.

[Scorpio]

I don't have any MM animations enabled but...

 

I'd just been re-enabling a bunch of animations and had most of the FF and M/F Masturbation stuff disabled before.

 

Well as it happened just before, I saw my first autonomous FF animation in 2 months and I was quite shocked.

 

Had Auto switch on before I left my house.

I was invited to a birthday party with 4 females living in one house.

2 females just did the woohoo sign and went upstairs to start a FF cuni animation.

1 other asked me for sex.

The 4th female went to masturbate, but she was doing the male 'suck self' instead of the female ones.

 

Later I was asked again but I did the same FF animation as the 2 females did before, by 'Lupobianco'.

And my penis was changed to another longer one, not my porn star cock average.

So either some animators are just using whatever they want, or WW isn't using the one I selected in WW Body Selector.

Have suspected this before when seeing some of the animations having a far longer penis than I had chosen, or mixed colors.

(Because the other longer penis's poked through the belly area in many cowgirl and missionary animations, as I try to keep all my sims quite thin).

 

And the 2 other females went upstairs again, but instead did the MF Cowgirl on floor animation by 'Anarcis'.

No strapon either.

 

Still running 139e BTW. 

 

WW 139h was supposed to have fixed the mixed up gender issues though, I might have to update just to see, lol.

 

Are you running 139h, and have you had any males doing female animations or vise versa?  

[Scorpio]

Well I figured out my changing penis issue.

Every time you update to a newer version of WW you have to use the WW body selector in game to choose your 'non-default' penis all over again.

Because Porn Star Cocks are non-default and WW will try to use it's own default unless otherwise told what to use instead.

 

Updated to 139h now testing...

[NaniNya]

4 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Are you running 139h, and have you had any males doing female animations or vise versa?   

Once, when I forced a group before, but haven't seen since. I have only defaults for body selector, but maybe I should investigate that option to be sure.

 

I used 139e and 139h but for me both is having the same issues.

[Scorpio]

6 hours ago, NaniNya said:

Once, when I forced a group before, but haven't seen since. I have only defaults for body selector, but maybe I should investigate that option to be sure.

 

I used 139e and 139h but for me both is having the same issues.

Updating WW to 139h seems to have fixed the M/F gender issues so far but only played for an hour after updating.

 

When I thought I saw my first FF animation, in my previous post, it turned out to actually be a MF animation that is mis-labled.

If a Female is doing a solo standing masturbation the male will use that animation to join/start every time.

But it seems to get stuck there and not want to progress, so I disabled it for now.

     

[NaniNya]

Pretty sure now this whole groupsex autonomy is broken, having only TURBODRIVER Whickedwhims and 2 animations files from KLM installed, disabled MALE+MALE, MALE+BOTH and BOTH+BOTH, groupsex not happening.. cleared everything again, 1 time, then they did not seem interested, after loading back a lot of animations they are back going in pairs of 2.

 

God, this is so annoying it would mean disabling hundreds of animations.. with an unlikely probability it is going to work.

 

It would be great if TURBODRIVER fix this.

[Scorpio]

1 hour ago, NaniNya said:

Pretty sure now this whole groupsex autonomy is broken, having only TURBODRIVER Whickedwhims and 2 animations files from KLM installed, disabled MALE+MALE, MALE+BOTH and BOTH+BOTH, groupsex not happening.. cleared everything again, 1 time, then they did not seem interested, after loading back a lot of animations they are back going in pairs of 2.

 

God, this is so annoying it would mean disabling hundreds of animations.. with an unlikely probability it is going to work.

 

It would be great if TURBODRIVER fix this.

I concur, but luckily I'm not holding my breath waiting for a fix anytime soon.

Been happy enough so far with what actually does work, lol.    

[Scorpio]

Had an invite to the Ruins last night but I made the mistake of joining with.

Disbanded group as soon as I landed, although probably too late.

First, I noticed the lot type 'venue' is special and can't be changed.

No Auto Sex starting even with the Auto Switch On.

(Although 1 other sex pair formed because another M started a solo when watching me having sex).

 

Started Male Solo and 1 Female asked to join (Autonomous), but no more would join in.

Paused, and invited 1 M to join, Random, Play... Pause, invite 1 M to join, Play... Pause, till I had 5M_1F.

Pictures are by using manual selection only, no autonomous.

 

Second Picture I was inviting Females to join instead of Males, (Go away Nancy you're in the way).

1 MF sex pair running first.

Ended up with a 5M 1F animation by lupobianco, and the Females doing Male animations again.

Manual, ask to join, random.

Running WW 139h

 

  

[NaniNya]

Hm,

 

Maybe because I had solo disabled for autonomy that it worked for me. I will have to retry once I get a new invite to one of the 2 lots to see if it still is successful at mine. Although yesterday after I disabled all male+male, both+both male+both including strapon versions (as that was the next thing that happened, not even having a strapon! but they still happily go)... one household member would join if I do solo.. then people who are outsiders just randomly entered the house to join and form a group. But the 6 other housemembers fully ignores. I completely no longer understand what is going on.

 

Found that there was already a trait for persons to go with groups, although it is just as useless as the global setting very sometimes works... sort of.. most of the time it is not.

Boosting the trait or a new trait which causes people to go for groups rather than pairs of 2/trying to join first started or wait until the person with the trait starts before joining any sex acts might help here?
 

There is one thing I want to try and that is increasing everyones friendship+romance and set relation boosts to 0, although that might work just as NPC relation set to -100 where they stop in general, or at least way less pairs are generated since it is not negative.

 

To be fair, the pairs of 2 autonomy works probably a bit way too well ?.

 

16 hours ago, Scorpio said:

I concur, but luckily I'm not holding my breath waiting for a fix anytime soon. 

Been happy enough so far with what actually does work, lol. 

I do hope it gets fixed, and if TURBODRIVER do need things to pin out what the problem is in here then I am happy to provide what is needed. I think some tweaks might be needed on the group autonomy part.

 

Other than that, the mod works very well, TURBODRIVER did a good job on that and most of who made animations as well. So I am happy as well that it works at the most part but I'd like to see a boost in the group autonomy :).

[NaniNya]

I wonder if TURBODRIVER had time yet, as it was a while when I posted and haven't seen a reply.

Also I wonder how many people have the same issue?

[Scorpio]

I haven't seen any others complaining about it so far, but I haven't searched through the older posts so...

 

Maybe have to ask the animators like Anarcis about how to initiate his Harem/Double Bed animation.

(Or any Gangbang animations by other animators).

I could never get the right conditions to make it work even in manual mode.

Maybe they need to be started with Teasing in manual mode first, I haven't tried that yet.

I know the animations have to be enabled in both manual mode and auto mode to progress, (now if I only could just get them to start).

 

Doubt we'll ever see auto group sex work, just because of the way sex pairs are chosen, (the odds of getting a correct roll are not in favor).

 

[jeannick.rr]

Same probleme here.

No spontaneous group sex beetween auto sims.

I have to  manually create a sex party with 1, then invite to join the others.

 

The only auto group is solo or by 2