Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 Hey everyone! I having a wee bit of an issue. When I have everything installed, I have a "micro" gap. That is, there is no real seam around my character neck and wrists but then on but when looking close it does not seem to match up with the body perfectly although the color and tone are a perfect match. Next, I noticed like black or white "speckles" The "speckles" along it are actually minute gaps allowing you to see through the character. I have tried various skins and bodies using mod organizer, the problem persists. My primary setup have been: Leyenda's All-in-one Pussy 4.0 + bodyslide 4.4.1 (i use leyenda's skin and body) or Bazinga's naturalistic bounce and jiggles (latest version) + body slide + skin (so far tried leyenda 4.0, fairskin (latest version) and the 4k Demoniac) I made sure I had all dependencies, I used LOOT and made sure mod order has the mods in the appropriate order so the files are getting over written properly (in the left pane of mod organizer). I even checked the data tab int he lower left pane checking meshes and textures to make sure the appropriate ones are being used and the appropriate ones are being used. I have created and recreated the bodies and body morphs. I am at a bit of a loss. I have had issues with seems/gaps before but by being patient always have figured out what was causing the issue (often after frustration, I grant you) But after a week of trying to figure this out, I am at a loss. Below is my current mod list. Active Mod Files: 00 Skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Dawnguard.esm 03 HearthFires.esm 04 Dragonborn.esm 05 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp [Version 3.0.9] 06 Falskaar.esm 07 Wyrmstooth.esp [Version 1.16] 08 Unique Flowers & Plants.esm 09 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 0A ApachiiHairMales.esm 0B ApachiiHairFemales.esm 0C ApachiiHair.esm 0D SGHairPackBase.esm 0E Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 0F SexLab.esm [Version 1.62] 10 SexLabAroused.esm [Version 2.8] 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 12 SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm 13 Devious Devices - Assets.esm [Version 2.8.3] 14 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 15 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 16 DeviousFramework.esm 17 hdtHighHeel.esm 18 Amputator.esm 19 BeeingFemale.esm [Version 2.8] 1A EFFCore.esm 1B CreatureFramework.esm [Version 1.1.0] 1C PubicMeshColorRE.esm 1D HighResTexturePack01.esp 1E HighResTexturePack02.esp 1F HighResTexturePack03.esp 20 SkyUI.esp 21 RaceMenu.esp 22 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 23 UIExtensions.esp 24 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 25 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp 26 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 27 ELFX - Exteriors.esp 28 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 29 SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp 2A Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 2B ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 2C ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 2D CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 2E TrueStorms.esp 2F TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp 30 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp 31 CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp 32 CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp 33 CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp 34 CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp 35 TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp 36 mintylightningmod.esp 37 MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp 38 KS Hairdo's.esp 39 SGEyebrows.esp 3A The Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp 3B SGHairPackAIO.esp 3C DeadlyCombat.esp 3D UltimateCombat.esp 3E RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 3F Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 40 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 41 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp 42 SOS - Pubic Hair for Females Addon.esp 43 FloppySOS.esp 44 CMO - Complete Male Overhaul.esp 45 FNIS.esp 46 XPMSE.esp 47 HavokCollisionObject.esp 48 Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp 49 SOS - Male Vanila Armor Cloths Conversion Custom.esp 4A SOS - Revealing Armors.esp [Version ealing] 4B SOS - Revealing DLC1 Conversion.esp 4C SOS - Revealing DLC2 Conversion.esp 4D Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp 4E Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp 4F SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp 50 Apropos.esp 51 SexLabTools.esp 52 SexLab Extra Voices.esp 53 SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp 54 SexLab Cumshot.esp [Version 1.7.2] 55 SexLabSquirtR.esp 56 DfwSupport.esp 57 Devious Devices - Equip.esp 58 zNovel.esp 59 3DNPC.esp [Version 3.4] 5A Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp 5B SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp 5C SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp 5D SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp 5E RealisticWaterTwo.esp 5F MoreBanditCamps.esp [Version 1.5] 60 SD Cages.esp [Version 3.00] 61 RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp 62 xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp [Version No.] 63 Populated Skyrim Legendary.esp 64 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp 65 RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp 66 Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp 67 MilkModNEW.esp 68 MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancyB.esp 69 SexLab_DibellaCult.esp 6A Captured Dreams.esp 6B SexLab-Stories.esp 6C sr_FillHerUp.esp 6D JH_Companion.esp 6E JHHousecarl.esp 6F ForswornFemale.esp 70 banditfemale.esp 71 Slaverun_Reloaded_Comments.esp 72 SexLabDefeat.esp 73 dcc-dm2.esp 74 CD - Female Embassy Guards.esp 75 SlaveTats.esp 76 DibellanDefender.esp 77 MilkModNEW HF.esp 78 MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp 79 MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp 7A HDTSextoys.esp 7B BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp 7C BFA_CreatureChildActors_V+DG+DB.esp 7D ExtraPocket.esp 7E SexistGuards.esp 7F AmputatorFrameworkRecipe.esp 80 animal_mansion.esp 81 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp 82 Inconsequential NPCs.esp 83 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 84 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 85 SexSlavesForVanillaBandits.esp 86 sanguinesDebauchery.esp 87 fallentreebridges.esp 88 Deviously Cursed Loot.esp 89 SimpleSlavery.esp 8A Immersive Patrols II.esp 8B Immersive Wenches.esp 8C Slaverun_Reloaded.esp 8D CinematicFireFX.esp 8E sr_FillThemUp.esp 8F CerwidenCompanion.esp 90 SexLab-Parasites.esp 91 BesEss.esp 92 MoreNastyCritters.esp 93 SexLab_Dialogues.esp 94 Devious Cidhna.esp 95 SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp 96 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp 97 S_L_U_T_S.esp 98 MoreBanditCamps - SexSlaves.esp 99 DeviouslyHelpless.esp 9A Populated Skyrim Civil War Patrols.esp 9B zTrap.esp 9C RosaFollower.esp 9D Quick Start - Skip the Opening Sequence.esp 9E ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp 9F TheEyesOfBeauty.esp [Version 9] A0 EFFDialogue.esp A1 DeadlyDragons.esp A2 FNISspells.esp A3 HDT Piercingsets.esp A4 Immersive Wenches -SG&KS hairs- Patch.esp A5 jh_people2.esp A6 jh_dawnguard.esp A7 The Seven Wonders of Leyenda.esp A8 Avril.esp A9 SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp AA TrapsAndPitfalls.esp AB HornyWerewolves.esp AC zzEstrus.esp AD EstrusChaurus.esp AE SOS - Leito Addon.esp AF FNISSexyMove.esp B0 SLAnimLoader.esp B1 AnubAnimObj.esp B2 HentaiCreatures.esp B3 SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp B4 SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp B5 NibblesAnimObjects.esp B6 SLALAnimObj.esp B7 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp B8 ERSO 19 - Respawn 2 days - 10 days.esp B9 Aradia Devious Expansion.esp BA AddItemMenu2.esp BB Anal Torch.esp BC Extended Slider Colors.esp BD SexLab Strapon.esp BE ELFXEnhancer.esp I hope someone has some ideas =)
Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, myuhinny said: A screenshot or 2 will help you more. Here is one of the neck, I could not seem to capture the issue, but you can see the gap/seam with the wrists.
yatol Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, Alli72 said: I have tried various skins and bodies using mod organizer, the problem persists. either femalebody.nif doesn't match femalehead.nif (unp top model come with an edited femalehead.nif, instead of giving a reason to convert armors to that body, it fall to oblivion because incompatible with everything) open your nude body nif, copy paste, remove weight (if it don't match, there was a fail somewhere) copy paste both in skeleton, if mesh with weights don't match mesh without weight, you have the same difference in game some skeleton do a little more than adding tbbp bones or whatever, and that's useless problems (armor x is made for that skeleton, later you update to this skeleton, armor x need to be converted to this skeleton)
myuhinny Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 Was the body made in bodyslide and are you using the same hands and feet for the set? I know the UUNP HDT and the UUNP special body have different hands and feet and that there will be a seam if you don't use the same hands for that body. Not all hands and feet will work with all bodies.
Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, myuhinny said: Was the body made in bodyslide and are you using the same hands and feet for the set? I know the UUNP HDT and the UUNP special body have different hands and feet and that there will be a seam if you don't use the same hands for that body. Not all hands and feet will work with all bodies. I have used the unp special body, hands and feet. I have used leyenda body + unp special hands and feet, and tried natural bounce and jiggle NBB_unp special repaint body + NBB_unp special hands and feet...in all three iterations, the gap is still there.
Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alli72 said: I have used the unp special body, hands and feet. I have used leyenda body + unp special hands and feet, and tried natural bounce and jiggle NBB_unp special repaint body + NBB_unp special hands and feet...in all three iterations, the gap is still there. If you switch back to UUNP, at the very least you won't have any wrist seams. Seams for the neck can be caused by a lot of things though. Specular maps, normal maps, diffuse maps with poor compression, bad heads, bad bodies, etc. This is most likely a texture problem though. Time for a bit of trial and error. Actually, judging by the screenshots on the Leyenda Skin page, it's definitely the culprit lol but I'm more surprised that you noticed it. Someone uploaded a before/after image saying to switch to fair skin normals to remove the neck seam. The before and after I'm talking about.
Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Artsick said: If you switch back to UUNP, at the very least you won't have any wrist seams. Seams for the neck can be caused by a lot of things though. Specular maps, normal maps, diffuse maps with poor compression, bad heads, bad bodies, etc. This is most likely a texture problem though. Time for a bit of trial and error. Actually, judging by the screenshots on the Leyenda Skin page, it's definitely the culprit lol but I'm more surprised that you noticed it. Someone uploaded a before/after image saying to switch to fair skin normals to remove the neck seam. The before and after I'm talking about. Reveal hidden contents Well, I have uninstalled leyanda totally earlier today and Used Bodyslide, xpsme, Fairskin and bazinga Natualistic bounce and jiggles and the speckle seam thing was still there. That is when i started getting really frustrated
Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Alli72 said: Well, I have uninstalled leyanda totally earlier today and Used Bodyslide, xpsme, Fairskin and bazinga Natualistic bounce and jiggles and the speckle seam thing was still there. That is when i started getting really frustrated Have you tried changing specular and SSS maps? Weight set to 100?
Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Artsick said: Have you tried changing specular and SSS maps? Weight set to 100? No, I have not. I have never done just the spec maps like that, not entirely sure how to go about doing it. I have mainly just switch mods, especially since learning how to use MO. And, as ashamed as I am to ask this, what is the SSS map? >.<
Alli72 Posted January 29, 2018 Author Posted January 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Artsick said: Have you tried changing specular and SSS maps? Weight set to 100? Okay, I reinstalled bodyslide and went with unp special and fair skin. Still a seem/gap ... Stripped everything out down to vanilla and no seams/gaps ... so definitely a mod issue with female bodies...just need to figure out why and how now lol
Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 The female body has three parts to it: head, body (includes feet), and hands. There are four textures to each labelled femaleXXXX_1. Diffuse maps are the colour, what you see. Normal maps (_msn) are shadows and definition (abs and muscles usually) without using vertices. Specular (_s) maps are these black and white things which give you sweat, oil, goosebumps, etc. Subsurface scattering maps (_sk) are easier shown than described. It's like how you shine a light under your fingers and they glow red. It's really terrible and basic in Skyrim Classic and I think it's also responsible for the bronze shine problem. Any of these could be causing the seam due to either not matching, being for the wrong body, artificating due to compression (the wrist), just bad texture work... there's probably more, tbh. There's also mesh problems where some lighting properties might be different between meshes which would cause seams, but like I said earlier, that doesn't seam to be the case. Hah. Sorry for the quick texture lesson lol, but now you know. I had an annoying neck seam recently and I fixed it by basically replacing the _sk files with ones from another mod.
yatol Posted January 29, 2018 Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Artsick said: Sorry for the quick texture lesson lol, but now you know. textures have nothing to do with gap between head and neck, or tits not following body, or distorded body between weight 100 and 0... load draugr body in outfitter, export it without doing anything, go check the disaster in game draugr body get back to normal with xpms if you remove the weights said above to copy paste the mesh and delete the weights you have generated nif with xpms x from bodyslide? you don't use xpms x but xpms y? there's a difference between xpms x and y? you have that difference in game thinner arms than the npc wearing something else, hard to see head clipping with body (the black points when you move), that you can see and it's the same with your feets (to see that try some poser sitting poses)
Alli72 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Posted January 30, 2018 21 hours ago, Artsick said: The female body has three parts to it: head, body (includes feet), and hands. There are four textures to each labelled femaleXXXX_1. Diffuse maps are the colour, what you see. Normal maps (_msn) are shadows and definition (abs and muscles usually) without using vertices. Specular (_s) maps are these black and white things which give you sweat, oil, goosebumps, etc. Subsurface scattering maps (_sk) are easier shown than described. It's like how you shine a light under your fingers and they glow red. It's really terrible and basic in Skyrim Classic and I think it's also responsible for the bronze shine problem. Any of these could be causing the seam due to either not matching, being for the wrong body, artificating due to compression (the wrist), just bad texture work... there's probably more, tbh. There's also mesh problems where some lighting properties might be different between meshes which would cause seams, but like I said earlier, that doesn't seam to be the case. Hah. Sorry for the quick texture lesson lol, but now you know. I had an annoying neck seam recently and I fixed it by basically replacing the _sk files with ones from another mod. Well, I tried all your suggestions. I even deleted all the female mods and re-downloaded everything to make sure nothing had gotten corrupted. I did xpsme + Bodyslide + bazinga's Naturalistic bounce and jiggle for his NBB body + fair skin. Then i tried difference sk files..then even tried different s files...then unstalled all skin and textures and tried demoniac skin. The end result was still the micro-gap. I even tried removing the enb in case it was causing the issue...it was still there. The micro gap disappears when all female bodies are removed. So I know base game is not corrupted (I even launched my vanilla profile in MO and again no gap there) I am kinda at a loss. =( I tried some of what you said yatol, as much I am smart enough to figure out lol, but everything matches as far as I am able to tell.
Alli72 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 Well, thanks for your suggestions, I have tried a few more ideas, but still have the micro gap issue. It doth be frustrating.
Alli72 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 Well, since no other ideas forth coming here, guess I will try reinstalling again without an enb this time and try to catch when things go south with the body or maybe they will not go south. I think its about the only option left.
xxnierxxautomata2b Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 On 1/31/2018 at 3:56 PM, Alli72 said: Well, since no other ideas forth coming here, guess I will try reinstalling again without an enb this time and try to catch when things go south with the body or maybe they will not go south. I think its about the only option left. Did you ever find a solution for the micro gap problem? I am having the same exact issue in my skyrim se gap. It looks like speckle lights shining on parts of my players neck. I have to look really close to see them. It bothers me because I know its there now. Not sure what is causing that.
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