Help with .esm Load Order?

Inquisition · July 2, 2017

Hello all,

Going crazy here but I can't for the life of me figure this out anymore. I use LOOT, make recommended changes, etc. Yet all that said my game tends to crash very early on or I get T-pose problems. (Or the dreaded loading screen freeze...)

So... here's my load order. ;

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization.esm
7 7 OSA.esm
8 8 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esm
9 9 BBLuxurySuite.esm
10 a actorEvents.esm
11 b CreatureFramework.esm
12 c BeeingFemale.esm
13 d RSkyrimChildren.esm
14 e Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
15 f Nock2Tip.esm
16 10 ApachiiHair.esm
17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
18 12 SexLab.esm
19 13 SexLabAroused.esm
20 14 Devious Devices - Assets.esm
21 15 Devious Devices - Integration.esm
22 16 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
23 17 notice board.esp
24 18 moonpath.esm
25 19 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
26 1a daymoyl.esm
       HighResTexturePack01.esp
       HighResTexturePack02.esp
       HighResTexturePack03.esp
       Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
27 1b Cutting Room Floor.esp
28 1c MoreNastyCritters.esp
29 1d SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
30 1e SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
31 1f SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
32 20 BBLS-ELFXFrontStepspatch.esp
33 21 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
34 22 AK- Placeable Statics.esp
35 23 AlternateBreezehomePurchase.esp
36 24 SkyUI.esp
37 25 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
38 26 RealisticRoomRental.esp
39 27 SkyRe_Main.esp
40 28 3DNPC.esp
41 29 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
42 2a AnonymousPeople.esp
43 2b NoNakedComments.esp
44 2c FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
45 2d Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
46 2e DawnofSkyrim-AllMajorCities.esp
47 2f RRR_ELFX-Patch.esp
48 30 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
49 31 RealShelter.esp
50 32 Helgen Reborn.esp
51 33 SexLab_Solutions.esp
52 34 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
53 35 ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
54 36 Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
55 37 OBIS.esp
56 38 Inns and Taverns.esp
57 39 HDT Havok Object.esp
58 3a Northern Bathhouses.esp
59 3b Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
60 3c SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
61 3d skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
62 3e Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
63 3f Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
64 40 Immersive Weapons.esp
65 41 SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
66 42 HentaiCreatures.esp
67 43 AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
68 44 Differently Ebony.esp
69 45 LeatherBackpackBrown-300.esp
70 46 SeptimGold001.esp
71 47 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
72 48 iHUD.esp
73 49 SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp
74 4a UnreadBooksGlow.esp
75 4b Proper Aiming.esp
76 4c ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp
77 4d BDIC.esp
78 4e hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp
79 4f Skyrim Project Optimization.esp
80 50 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
81 51 Inconsequential NPCs.esp
82 52 CornerofTheSkyrim.esp
83 53 Run For Your Lives.esp
84 54 Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
85 55 Cloaks.esp
86 56 RiversideLodge.esp
87 57 SexLab_DibellaCult_BBL.esp
88 58 sanguinesDebauchery.esp
89 59 LC_immersiveLoot.esp
90 5a SMIM-Merged-All.esp
91 5b buildablehouse.esp
92 5c moonpath_questdata.esp
93 5d InteractiveWashBasinsCOMPLETE.esp
94 5e Immersive Wenches.esp
95 5f RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
96 60 Immersive Horses.esp
97 61 Immersive Patrols II.esp
98 62 PaleMarsh.esp
99 63 bathhouse.esp
100 64 SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp
101 65 LearnAlchemyFromRecipes.esp
102 66 ELFX - NoBreezehome.esp
103 67 VVE.esp
104 68 Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
105 69 KnockedUp.esp
106 6a Elisdriel.esp
107 6b Nock2Tip.esp
108 6c SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dragonborn.esp
109 6d SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
110 6e ShowersInInns.esp
111 6f Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
112 70 SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
113 71 RayeksEnd.esp
114 72 Storefront.esp
115 73 Bijin AIO.esp
116 74 CUYC_CleanUpYourCorpses.esp
117 75 SkyRe_Races.esp
118 76 ElysiumEstate.esp
119 77 SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
120 78 BabyMommas.esp
121 79 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
122 7a Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp
123 7b More Craftables.esp
124 7c Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
125 7d ELFX - Moonpath.esp
126 7e SOS - Shop.esp
127 7f SpousesEnhanced.esp
128 80 RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp
129 81 The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
130 82 FishingInSkyrim.esp
131 83 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
132 84 RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
133 85 isilNarsil.esp
134 86 Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp
135 87 SkyRe_Combat.esp
136 88 ESFCompanions.esp
137 89 Sneak Tools.esp
138 8a BooksOfSkyrim.esp
139 8b CShacks.esp
140 8c vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp
141 8d BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp
142 8e BBLS_MM Whiterun Bath House.esp
143 8f aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
144 90 Dr_Bandolier.esp
145 91 GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp
146 92 Immersive Speechcraft.esp
147 93 RSChildren.esp
148 94 RSChildren - CRF Patch.esp
149 95 WetandCold.esp
150 96 WondersofWeather.esp
151 97 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
152 98 SLAnimLoader.esp
153 99 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
154 9a Bathing in Skyrim - Interactive Wash Basins.esp
155 9b Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
156 9c Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp
157 9d BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
158 9e BFAP v1.2.esp
159 9f SleepTight.esp
160 a0 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
161 a1 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
162 a2 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
163 a3 Immersive NPC in the dark.esp
164 a4 RaceMenu.esp
165 a5 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
166 a6 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
167 a7 SOS - Leito Addon.esp
168 a8 WerewolfMastery.esp
169 a9 Real Feeding V3.esp
170 aa XPMSE.esp
171 ab ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
172 ac ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
173 ad ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
174 ae Equipping Overhaul.esp
175 af towConversation.esp
176 b0 wizDynamicThings.esp
177 b1 lanterns.esp
178 b2 DeadlyHeadshots_v200.esp
179 b3 Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
180 b4 Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
181 b5 Predator Vision.esp
182 b6 TradeBarter.esp
183 b7 Tamriel Compendium - Skill Books.esp
184 b8 Tamriel Compendium.esp
185 b9 P1FlyingRing.esp
186 ba Animated Dragon Wings.esp
187 bb HarvestOverhaulCreatures_IMCN_Patch.esp
188 bc Beards.esp
189 bd TrueStorms.esp
190 be AHZmoreHUD.esp
191 bf private_singular_quivers.esp
192 c0 PumpingIron.esp
       RSPatch.esp
193 c1 KS Hairdo's.esp
194 c2 SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators-Dawnguard.esp
195 c3 BDIC SkyTEST Patch.esp
196 c4 ShocksCookingSkillHF.esp
197 c5 SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp
198 c6 Footprints.esp
199 c7 DSerULG.esp
200 c8 FloraRespawnFix.esp
201 c9 HarvestOverhaul.esp
202 ca HarvestOverhaul_SkyRe_Patch.esp
203 cb FNIS.esp
204 cc FNISSexyMove.esp
205 cd HelmetToggle.esp
206 ce ImmersiveSpells.esp
207 cf Apropos.esp
208 d0 moredragonloot.esp
209 d1 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
210 d2 EEO patch.esp
211 d3 FloppySOS.esp
212 d4 CCO_SIC_Patch.esp
213 d5 KS Hairdos - HDT.esp
214 d6 NPC Body Scale Randomizer.esp
       Bijin Warmaidens.esp
       Bijin Wives.esp
       Bijin NPCs.esp
215 d7 UIExtensions.esp
216 d8 Devious Deviants.esp
217 d9 Bathing in Skyrim - Realistic Room Rental.esp
218 da TrueStorms-ClimatesOfTamriel.esp
219 db OBISDB.esp
220 dc moveit.esp
221 dd SOSRaceMenu.esp
222 de SexLab Sound FX Replacer.esp
223 df SexLab Cumshot.esp
224 e0 SexLabDefeat.esp
225 e1 SexLabWerewolves.esp
226 e2 SexLabWerewolvesMB.esp
227 e3 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
228 e4 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
229 e5 ELFXEnhancer.esp
230 e6 Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
231 e7 RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
232 e8 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
233 e9 RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
234 ea Immersive Citizens - MTE patch.esp
235 eb Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
236 ec Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
237 ed ccas_starts.esp
238 ee Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
239 ef ReProccer.esp
240 f0 EveryBody's Different.esp

allsunday · July 2, 2017

I don't see much out of the ordinary, though I only took a quick glance. It's odd that you have Bijin AIO but you also have the separate Bijin plugins under NPC Body Scale Randomizer. Are they merged together? It probably wouldn't cause problems either way but it's something to look at.

Anyway, get Crash Fixes: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725/?

Also get ENBoost if you don't already have it. If you already have an ENB, it comes with it automatically.

Clean your saved game: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

Clean your plugins with TESVEdit also. Look up a tutorial on that. Very important.

If you're getting T-Poses, make sure you're running FNIS properly. Sometimes people get error messages on FNIS and think everything is A-Ok because they didn't check carefully.

Uncle64 · July 2, 2017

Flip those 2 and place them as the last masters. RS before Beeing Female.
12 c BeeingFemale.esm
13 d RSkyrimChildren.esm

And dont start to clean your save, you will kill Beeing Female.

--Cleaned--

Remove this one, and replace it whit the latest 1.3

158 9e BFAP v1.2.esp

This should be active and the last plugin.

The main mod file should be the first esp in your load order.

RSPatch.esp
Real shelter dont work whitout that patch.

You should also consider to download and install Wrye Bash and make your self one bashed patch and tune up your loadorder.

Since you also have other issues whit it.
You can find the link at BF forum.

This one is old and many have problems whit it.

211 d3 FloppySOS.esp

Did find this.

140 8c vMYC_MeetYourCharacters.esp

Remove that mod, it is way to old and dont work whit latest Sexlab and other mods you have.

Since it contains old files that you really should not use.

allsunday · July 3, 2017

--Cleaned--

Why do people suggest the save cleaner? I dunno. Maybe because it actually works most of the time. https://www.loverslab.com/topic/80738-long-saves/

You can't fault someone for trying to suggest a solution that often works. There's the logic fail right there.

Uncle64 · July 3, 2017

Why?

If you install crashfixes you should not use it, since it cant handle the new format that crashfixes add.

And if you must start to clean your save you actually have failed your modding.

This is way better. It is developed here at Loverslab.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76776/?

PdtWrapper that is superior to the tool you suggested.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53045/?

allsunday · July 3, 2017

Why?

If you install crashfixes you should not use it, since it cant handle the new format that crashfixes add.

And if you must start to clean your save you actually have failed your modding.

This is way better. It is developed here at Loverslab.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76776/?

PdtWrapper that is superior to the tool you suggested.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53045/?

Says people shouldn't recommend save game cleaners because anyone who uses them are failures... then proceeds to recommend two of them.

--Cleaned--

Inquisition · July 3, 2017

Hey guys, just want to break up the fight to give a minor update on how things are coming along... ;

I've taken onboard both your suggestions. Game IS running better after some tweaks here and there. I'll keep playtesting though in the meantime.

Allsunday, I've begun using Crash Fixes and so far it's been informative! Also installed ENBoost and I /think/ it has improved things some, but I still need to run more tests.

(Tthe ENBoost, or rather ENBs altogether, take a little figuring out, but I'm sure I'll understand it in time. Shame they can't be linked directly to Mod Organizer! ... or can they?)

I'm familiar with TESVEdit in how to clean plugins from previous times I've played. All's set there.

In regards to Bijin AIO, I was under the impression that you don't need to use the other three .esm since the AIO one is like a combination of all?

Sadlly, the saved game cleaning is meaningless for now since I've just begun playing again. (Nothing to clean!) I'll look into it later on when I get further into the game.

Uncle, thanks for pointing out which mods for me to get rid of/update. I'm pretty sure your suggestions have helped because the game does seem more stable.

Going to take me some time understanding Wrye Bash. Seems a little complicated from first sight but I'm guessing I'll get used to it in time.

Anyway, thanks for the quick advice and taking the time to look through my load order! I'll let you know if I manage to run into any other hurdles.

Uncle64 · July 3, 2017

Good, that you starts to get the game running better.

You say that you using Mod Organizer, then it will more easy to fix your game up. Since you dont need to reinstall mods.

Do like this.

In your profile in MO you have 2 textfiles.

One is your loadorder, one is your install order or the left side.

Loadorder.txt is your right side

Plugins.txt is your left side

Those 2 sides must be at the same order.

Post those here, and I can check them, and tune up them for you.

Enb, can you run from MO, little tricky do do it, but it is possible.

The latest Bjin dont work well whit AIO.

Take your time to learn Wrye Bash one powerful tool that you need to run through MO.

Did find one ENB tool that you can use in MO, but I have not tried it, I dont use ENB right now, only the booster and Purety.

Nazzzgul666 · July 4, 2017

Sadlly, the saved game cleaning is meaningless for now since I've just begun playing again. (Nothing to clean!) I'll look into it later on when I get further into the game.

Not sad at all. While save game cleaners can do a good job, a new game is the only way to be 100% sure no old scripts are messing around (or the cleaner deleted too much), so i'd keep starting new games until you've fixed all problems.

And if you want to try to add new mods, i often make a new profile in MO to see if it works before i add them to my main game. That way i can avoid cleaning saves at all.

ENBoost can't be added to MO afaik, but honestly i also never tried because it wouldn't make any difference. ENBs can be installed via MO after ENBoost is setup properly, but i only tried one once, wasn't impressed and never bothered again. Not much clue about this stuff.

Uncle64 · July 4, 2017

That is one good idea.

I do the same, that is one of the benefits whit MO. Use one profile for testing. Since some mods simply dont works as they should when you have them at the same time.

Why hassle whit manually install?

Yea, start cleaning is not the first thing you should do, fix the load and priority, it is better to have that correct, then you hardly need to use one cleaner.

Inquisition · July 4, 2017

Good, that you starts to get the game running better.

You say that you using Mod Organizer, then it will more easy to fix your game up. Since you dont need to reinstall mods.

Do like this.

In your profile in MO you have 2 textfiles.

One is your loadorder, one is your install order or the left side.

Loadorder.txt is your right side

Plugins.txt is your left side

Those 2 sides must be at the same order.

I had a feeling it would be something like that. I'll see what I can do.

Meanwhile, while I continue sorting out the orders... I have an unrelated question!

Is there a way to save/load character presets via RaceMenu? I know ECE allows us to save/load from the slots, but this option is missing in RaceMenu?

Uncle64 · July 4, 2017

You import or export from RaceMenu.

But if you have ECE installed you must have RaceMenu so that is overwrites ECE.

Inquisition · July 5, 2017

Hey Uncle,

... I finally get what you meant the other night. Apologies, my eyes were hanging out of my skull when I first read it, so here's what you were looking for!

loadorder.txt

plugins.txt

Uncle64 · July 5, 2017

There is one problem.

I did say wrong file to you.

It should be the file modlist.txt.

Inquisition · July 6, 2017

No problemo!

If you need to know about any of the mods, just ask. I may have slightly changed the names of some.

(For some reason the modlist is reading things back to front. It should be the other way around.)

modlist.txt

Uncle64 · July 6, 2017

I know what almost all mods are.

But I did find one thing, when I fast browsed it, you have it sorted wrong.

But whit one big BUT. You have this one.

+Stable uGridsToLoad

That one is not that stable, you will ruin your game since you should newer change your Ugrids from 5. Sadly if you use that plugin you need to remove it and start new game or be stuck whit the change it have done..

Read this tread, you need to scroll down little.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/

I think you can find this at Reddit to.

You also have the new creature pack ovewrited by the old one, you have Beeing Female at wrong place it should load later, you have mods that overwrite your Papyrus plugin that should load almost last. You should treat Papyrus plugin as you treat FNIS nothing should overwrite it.

You load HDT after AIO 3.3.

Inquisition · July 7, 2017

Which Creature packs do you speak of? I know a couple are patches for more creatures, but I wasn't aware that I doubled up on anything.

And consider +Stable gone. As for Beeing Female, do you mean for the loadorder or modlist? Is there a way to remove it from the 'bold' area in the loadorder?

Sarge Misfit · July 7, 2017

Not sure if this is it, but I get that crashing and T-posing whenever I forget to run FNIS

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