GTX 1080 is overkill for Fallout 4 on Ultra/1920x1080?

[mgrandy]

 

ik you hav that thing @ 4 ghz but your still pushing it on CPU try turning shadows off these hog CPU power along with lighting effects the rest you should be good to max n try 1900x1080 then see what you get in them places. unless you stand and admire the shadows alot ;P

[Guest]

 

Regrowth mod

HD Ivy + leaves mods

HD roads and highways mod

HD creatures mod

HD vehicles mod

Ultra everything --> shadow distance high, weapon debris ultra

Godrays Ultra

grass load distance 14,000

Natural Atmoshpheric Commonwealth

 

These are all visual mods only. This doesn't count into the 200 other mods I have with outfits that often have 2k-4k textures. Even without these mods, having everything on ultra only still fucks up frames for some people.

 

Yeah your post is bullshit. Do a simple google search and you'll see MANY users suffering from low framerates with even half the visual mods I mentioned. Even an ENB alone can make it worse if you aren't using an ENB that optimizes FPS. We aren't saying this just to fuck around with the OP. As I mentioned earlier, going from a 970 to a 1070 barely gave me back 10 frames. Not enough to justify the price. More so with a 1080. I didn't say it won't help at all. But at BEST you'll be getting 50 FPS with maybe half the mods I mentioned. Does it justify paying $450-$500 for a 1080 just for Fallout? Absolutely not.

 

1. I play on ultra as well, but with shadows and grass at 35,000 and grass density at 20. Default is 40, Skyrim is 80.

2. Unless you don't have 1.8 ultra godrays have been fixed, so you're wrong there.

3. My grass is at 35K.

4. NAC? really? Known to cause huge performance problems.

5. I have the official HD pack plus almost 4K for everything. Pls.

6. ENBs are for losers, which means like half of this community lol. Boris Vorontosov has really let shit hit the fan, especially by adding enbhost.exe when everything worked fine before

7. I bought a 1080ti Founder's Edition for like $300 from India. C'mon people.

8. Just because you have unoptomized mods that more than likely have unoptomized textures doesn't mean they count.

9. Even with everything as high as I have it at 1080p I still get 50+ FPS on top of the Corvega factory. Your point is invalid.

10. Hell even when I amp it up to 4480x1024 on all three of my screens (middle is 1080p) my framerate doesn't drop below 45.

[Guest]

 

 

Regrowth mod

HD Ivy + leaves mods

HD roads and highways mod

HD creatures mod

HD vehicles mod

Ultra everything --> shadow distance high, weapon debris ultra

Godrays Ultra

grass load distance 14,000

Natural Atmoshpheric Commonwealth

 

These are all visual mods only. This doesn't count into the 200 other mods I have with outfits that often have 2k-4k textures. Even without these mods, having everything on ultra only still fucks up frames for some people.

 

Yeah your post is bullshit. Do a simple google search and you'll see MANY users suffering from low framerates with even half the visual mods I mentioned. Even an ENB alone can make it worse if you aren't using an ENB that optimizes FPS. We aren't saying this just to fuck around with the OP. As I mentioned earlier, going from a 970 to a 1070 barely gave me back 10 frames. Not enough to justify the price. More so with a 1080. I didn't say it won't help at all. But at BEST you'll be getting 50 FPS with maybe half the mods I mentioned. Does it justify paying $450-$500 for a 1080 just for Fallout? Absolutely not.

 

1. I play on ultra as well, but with shadows and grass at 35,000 and grass density at 20. Default is 40, Skyrim is 80.

2. Unless you don't have 1.8 ultra godrays have been fixed, so you're wrong there.

3. My grass is at 35K.

4. NAC? really? Known to cause huge performance problems.

5. I have the official HD pack plus almost 4K for everything. Pls.

6. ENBs are for losers, which means like half of this community lol. Boris Vorontosov has really let shit hit the fan, especially by adding enbhost.exe when everything worked fine before

7. I bought a 1080ti Founder's Edition for like $300 from India. C'mon people.

8. Just because you have unoptomized mods that more than likely have unoptomized textures doesn't mean they count.

9. Even with everything as high as I have it at 1080p I still get 50+ FPS on top of the Corvega factory. Your point is invalid.

10. Hell even when I amp it up to 4480x1024 on all three of my screens (middle is 1080p) my framerate doesn't drop below 45.

 

The WHOLE point of the OP's original post was asking if playing Fallout 4 on 1920x1080 required a 1080 graphics card. Which it absolutely does not.

 

Another user here pointed out that with a GTX 1080 he can use some ENBs and high texture mods. My very first post on this thread warned that using ENBs and adding high res textures under load absolutely shits on your system and no matter how strong your graphics card is, it doesn't justify paying high price for it.

 

I'm not even sure what you're arguing at this point especially since you so eloquently stated that "ENBs are for losers". My whole argument was for those who use/wish to use ENBs. Maybe you like the look of your own replies? Idk.

 

Congrats on that 1080ti from India though. I wouldn't be surprised if it was flashed with a 1080ti bios and you just got duped $300.

[skyrimsucks]

the funny thing, that mod nvidia made "vault 1080" brought gtx 1080 to 15-20 fps on 1080p res. and its not even open area where custom grass distance etc can fuck performance over, neither it was crowded. but overall it all depends how much bulding/cutomization in terms of scale u want and how much draw distance u expect. i have no problems in diamond city (about 40 fps and almost no lags) but when is finish making custom base i drop at 16 fps quite often. i think 1060 is sweetpot for 1080p gaming at tweak ini file settings and heavy modding.

 

amd cards are garbage dont touch it with a stick. horrible constant micro stutter, macro stutter higher tdp and higher taxation of cpu. dont let the gpu core numbers fool u, amd is joke company kept alive only to prevent monoply accusations, they got nothing but subpar, overpriced tech. 1060 got about 2 times better frame rate than 480 (in terms of lowest 1% which most visible/impactful on gameplay). 

 

[skyrimsucks]

 

 

Regrowth mod

HD Ivy + leaves mods

HD roads and highways mod

HD creatures mod

HD vehicles mod

Ultra everything --> shadow distance high, weapon debris ultra

Godrays Ultra

grass load distance 14,000

Natural Atmoshpheric Commonwealth

 

These are all visual mods only. This doesn't count into the 200 other mods I have with outfits that often have 2k-4k textures. Even without these mods, having everything on ultra only still fucks up frames for some people.

 

Yeah your post is bullshit. Do a simple google search and you'll see MANY users suffering from low framerates with even half the visual mods I mentioned. Even an ENB alone can make it worse if you aren't using an ENB that optimizes FPS. We aren't saying this just to fuck around with the OP. As I mentioned earlier, going from a 970 to a 1070 barely gave me back 10 frames. Not enough to justify the price. More so with a 1080. I didn't say it won't help at all. But at BEST you'll be getting 50 FPS with maybe half the mods I mentioned. Does it justify paying $450-$500 for a 1080 just for Fallout? Absolutely not.

 

1. I play on ultra as well, but with shadows and grass at 35,000 and grass density at 20. Default is 40, Skyrim is 80.

2. Unless you don't have 1.8 ultra godrays have been fixed, so you're wrong there.

3. My grass is at 35K.

4. NAC? really? Known to cause huge performance problems.

5. I have the official HD pack plus almost 4K for everything. Pls.

6. ENBs are for losers, which means like half of this community lol. Boris Vorontosov has really let shit hit the fan, especially by adding enbhost.exe when everything worked fine before

7. I bought a 1080ti Founder's Edition for like $300 from India. C'mon people.

8. Just because you have unoptomized mods that more than likely have unoptomized textures doesn't mean they count.

9. Even with everything as high as I have it at 1080p I still get 50+ FPS on top of the Corvega factory. Your point is invalid.

10. Hell even when I amp it up to 4480x1024 on all three of my screens (middle is 1080p) my framerate doesn't drop below 45.

 

 

enb is must (even if u dont apply any filters), it fixes many of shitbryo engine bugs/optimization issues like delayed loading textures, unoptimized effects pipeline etc. i dont know about new versions but the one i use certainly improved my performance. 

 

also grass density in fallout 4 lowers with bigger number if i remember correctly (grass size variable in ini file). 18 is default i think, on 30 there is almost no grass whatsoever. if u got grass set to 40 that must help a lot in performance. but thats something id use only on tablet, it makes not so great looking f4 even more empty lifeless. i think the most resonable way to bump f4 fps is reducing shadow distance. 

[mgrandy]

the funny thing, that mod nvidia made "vault 1080" brought gtx 1080 to 15-20 fps on 1080p res. and its not even open area where custom grass distance etc can fuck performance over, neither it was crowded. but overall it all depends how much bulding/cutomization in terms of scale u want and how much draw distance u expect. i have no problems in diamond city (about 40 fps and almost no lags) but when is finish making custom base i drop at 16 fps quite often. i think 1060 is sweetpot for 1080p gaming at tweak ini file settings and heavy modding.

 

amd cards are garbage dont touch it with a stick. horrible constant micro stutter, macro stutter higher tdp and higher taxation of cpu. dont let the gpu core numbers fool u, amd is joke company kept alive only to prevent monoply accusations, they got nothing but subpar, overpriced tech. 1060 got about 2 times better frame rate than 480 (in terms of lowest 1% which most visible/impactful on gameplay). 

this is why i dont bother there is no point explaining stupid to stupid. that note question was answered. better you would class as high frame rates no? better i would class on more frames per £ just like the micro stutter you faced, i wont be. because i know how to set up the so called cards. i also dont care what you say because you cant prove other wise you as you clearly wont buy amd lol anything you post comparing results is is on 2 bog standard cards straight from the factory which we all no how good them stock coolers from the factory are right?

 

let me guess you still use stock coolers on your shit right? if the answer is no you have already improved on the so called frame rates. if the answer is yes then your dumb.  at no point did i say the 1080 was getting beat by a 480 but i said it was mighty close. nivida have vsync built in to there cards amd do not they hav freesync what is good for you is not good for me. we might play different games for a start more suited to your nivida GPU where as my amd is more attuned to the software i use like blender an the likes TDP is great or why are AMD leading the high single core race? heres the WR for a non stock 1080ti notice the setup, i7 ddr 4. amd has only just brought out amd am4 most of the ram is even attuned to intel cores and by no means setup for amd heres the page your looking for. when you can compare an i 7 oc to a amd oc let me know or fire me a message and i would be willing to listen to your results yes intel get more power per ghz but they reach over 1ghz less. when you increase clocks you also increase frame rates or is that your stupid coming into play again? look at the highest ddr4 records notice only intel chips. my they want to hurry up and change. you have to go back as far as ddr2 before amd are on par even with intel due to this. if your 1080 is sooo good or what ever why is it all next gen consoles use amd/ati cards? please explain this to me. why does the ps4, xbox use ati and the new Microsoft scorpio  on your words of wisdom they would all be using 1080ti's or something along them lines.

 

tdp on the other hand is no good for portable devices, laptops,roids because of the heat which comes with tdp. where are you going to mount a big enough cooler/battery on one of these you cant. every man/women/beast know a cuda core has almost 1.5x the power of an amd stream processor.  its just fact and has been so since they changed the name from steam processor to cuda core. your about 10 years too late on that information

 

on the above about a 1080 from India:- it would be made using India's laws regulations etc so this would be much the same card other than for the fact of the chips they use on it. these are probs most certainly different including down to the cheap india capacitors  that they would use. im not saying they are and will be different just they might. what you have traded off on this front is lifetime how long your card could/would last

[skyrimsucks]

lol oc is (for most users) pointless and harmful practice kid. decreased stability, increased risk of malfunction for nominal gain and only if u are running top the line gpu. i could underclock my i7 to 1 ghz and would still run fallout 4 just fine. my stock cooller is set on max 60% rpm and still has no problems. stock coolers from haswell gen have copper base which results in about 5-7 C lower temp than skylake when intel started to cheap out.

 

480 is garbage gpu, and from your post u seem to be low iq amd drone incapable to read benchmarks. amd is sub par tech, their gpus are not as bad as their cpus (even old dual core from intel hammers ryzen) but still light years behind; that comes from current amd gpu user. 10-20 fps extra with bit more range and less stutter is not worth 200 bucks for me. but if i was to buy gpu now i'd never touch amd. performance per watt and magical unit/buck is almost 2 times worse than nvidia.

 

consoles using amd is confirmation of low quality of their tech. consoles are garbage systems running on tablet cpus and outdated med end gpus. because of hardware control they nail optimization and get away with poor raw compute power, but it still a glorified tablet. with poor, restricvtive os. amd may sell cheap in bulk to corporations that dont need or care about tdp and compute power but for individual customer market price is not there. amd used to have place on low end and sometimes med end gpus. not anymore.

[skyrimsucks]

Well, with the high resolution DLC, a bunch of 4k texture mod and a kick-ass ENB, not an overkill at all.

 

u must be joking. there is no way anybody informed would waste his bandwith on that horribly unoptimized, uncompressed "dlc" from bughtesda; its inferior in quality to modder made texture packs that are dozens times smaller and with better optimization. 60 gb of joke, thats some heavy humor.

[mgrandy]

lol oc is (for most users) pointless and harmful practice kid. decreased stability, increased risk of malfunction for nominal gain and only if u are running top the line gpu. i could underclock my i7 to 1 ghz and would still run fallout 4 just fine. my stock cooller is set on max 60% rpm and still has no problems. stock coolers from haswell gen have copper base which results in about 5-7 C lower temp than skylake when intel started to cheap out.

 

480 is garbage gpu, and from your post u seem to be low iq amd drone incapable to read benchmarks. amd is sub par tech, their gpus are not as bad as their cpus (even old dual core from intel hammers ryzen) but still light years behind; that comes from current amd gpu user. 10-20 fps extra with bit more range and less stutter is not worth 200 bucks for me. but if i was to buy gpu now i'd never touch amd. performance per watt and magical unit/buck is almost 2 times worse than nvidia.

 

consoles using amd is confirmation of low quality of their tech. consoles are garbage systems running on tablet cpus and outdated med end gpus. because of hardware control they nail optimization and get away with poor raw compute power, but it still a glorified tablet. with poor, restricvtive os. amd may sell cheap in bulk to corporations that dont need or care about tdp and compute power but for individual customer market price is not there. amd used to have place on low end and sometimes med end gpus. not anymore.

pointless and harmful practice it is. but you cannot prove other wise and nor could i. amd have always been known for great overclocks compared to intel. christ amd even broke the 3.0ghz single core first. lets say me and you start a PC company you buy 2 other companys to try to criple my progress, then work that in to your hardware. i on the other hand take my time and refine what i already have on the ddr 3 aspect. of course your going to be miles better off but on the other hand i would be leading the market on the lower end saving evey penny i could. thats y nivida / intel have an advantage. you can compare till your blue in the face. it dont stop the fact the market has already been bent in intel/nivida fashion and now amd is finally in the market its there time to catch up.

 

intel have done marvellous things with ddr4 and i give them that, but lets wait on amd getting a foot hold b4 we take this post any further. lets say, in how long have intel had ddr4 since the 2011 socket? well amd didnt go for that they went APU side thus keeping am3+ and starting the FM2+  range. can you at least tell me that!. what about 2-5 years? so in 2-3 years will then discuss aspects on ryzen OC potential when we have amd rated ddr4. im not an amd drone ive owned a number of intels FYI most importantly the first and only copper processor which intel ever made the copper-mine generation. if you mixed samsung and apple you would get the same dud results and bottle necks just like mixing amd/intel - ati/nivida what you should be using is intel/nivida -amd/ati mixing amd /nivida  - intel/nivida  then Christ your going to run into issues thats just common sense alot would also determin these factors also like software updates but there still no facing they are and always will be mismatched. most OC know mixing 2 sticks of ram is a bad thing but yet you seem to think its ok the other way about on cpu/gpu side too. even the dudes ambient room temp can effect his FPS  in games and i didnt see him stating that. i also look on the new 16c 32t amd as beening a massive advantage in the future, but time will tell and its far to early to call sides. i would put amd as just ranked outsiders but like i said not buy much. from what the multi core ryzen does on its first generation. 

 

what this person needs to decide is what type of games is he/she playing mostly. not the GPU thats a given after

[skyrimsucks]

 

pointless and harmful practice it is. but you cannot prove other wise and nor could i. amd have always been known for great overclocks compared to intel. christ amd even broke the 3.0ghz single core first. lets say me and you start a PC company you buy 2 other companys to try to criple my progress, then work that in to your hardware. i on the other hand take my time and refine what i already have on the ddr 3 aspect. of course your going to be miles better off but on the other hand i would be leading the market on the lower end saving evey penny i could. thats y nivida / intel have an advantage. you can compare till your blue in the face. it dont stop the fact the market has already been bent in intel/nivida fashion and now amd is finally in the market its there time to catch up.

 

 

intel have done marvellous things with ddr4 and i give them that, but lets wait on amd getting a foot hold b4 we take this post any further. lets say, in how long have intel had ddr4 since the 2011 socket? well amd didnt go for that they went APU side thus keeping am3+ and starting the FM2+  range. can you at least tell me that!. what about 2-5 years? so in 2-3 years will then discuss aspects on ryzen OC potential when we have amd rated ddr4. im not an amd drone ive owned a number of intels FYI most importantly the first and only copper processor which intel ever made the copper-mine generation. if you mixed samsung and apple you would get the same dud results and bottle necks just like mixing amd/intel - ati/nivida what you should be using is intel/nivida -amd/ati mixing amd /nivida  - intel/nivida  then Christ your going to run into issues thats just common sense alot would also determin these factors also like software updates but there still no facing they are and always will be mismatched. most OC know mixing 2 sticks of ram is a bad thing but yet you seem to think its ok the other way about on cpu/gpu side too. even the dudes ambient room temp can effect his FPS  in games and i didnt see him stating that. i also look on the new 16c 32t amd as beening a massive advantage in the future, but time will tell and its far to early to call sides. i would put amd as just ranked outsiders but like i said not buy much. from what the multi core ryzen does on its first generation. 

 

what this person needs to decide is what type of games is he/she playing mostly. not the GPU thats a given after

 

 

i remember that athlon 64 architecture which allowed for higher cloks speed (than intel coppermine PIII) incentivised intel to develop horrible pentium 4 to bambuse customers with mhz numbers (just like amd does know with clock and "cores" count number when "core" is not even prpperly defined word) . so much for "competition helps customers".

 

later intel returend to superior pentium 3 architecture in core duo and squashed amd. clocks do not matter at the end but performance, and increasing clock will not improve all architectures limitations and even those affected may not scale well. if ryzen (which performs like pentium g/or haswell i3 in fallout 4 btw) will somehow sell well because its got "16 cores" while intel only "4" and can be oc higher, the pentium 4 story may repeat. at the end intel does not care about quality of product, neither amd. they only care about profits.

 

on paper (at first glance) 480 looks much stronger than 1060. but minimal frames say otherwise. customer does not care wheather its issue with cpu compatibility or ram utlization or driver etc. why the hell would he, potential power if grandma had mustache does not matter, cutomer probably wants to use machine and not ponder how to fix it or get into untapped potential that may not even exist there.

 

amd has now not even edge on low end, kaby lake cheaper cpus will pummel ryzen for budget multimedia pc.

 

i dont think ddr4 brings much to the table btw. skylake has only about 8% advantage over haswell and kabylake is slower per clock than skylake (which may be indication of shaddy market practice to bambuse customers with mhz already). ddr4 and soon ddr5 platforms is forcing customers to change entire paltforms which generates profit, demand for new chips, ram etc. rapid sockets/platform development (especially on intel side) is more of a form of planned obsolescence rather than actual technology progress. amd is too small to apply this  practice but i have no doubt that they would if they were in intel position. for profit ofc.

[DigitalP]

I have an MSI laptop with a gtx960m........................I run at Ultra on everything with acceptable FPS. Generally 40-50 outside and 60fps inside..................except in fucking Boston and Lexington. Shits me. 

[Blu3star]

Runs so nice on my Alienware r4 17 lappy. Even in 1440P  With an enb.

[Daymarr]

Hopefully i can find a 1080ti soon or later, most places are still sold out.

[mgrandy]

Hopefully i can find a 1080ti soon or later, most places are still sold out.

ye supply and demand theres never enough supplied. even with mb and such

 

Runs so nice on my Alienware r4 17 lappy. Even in 1440P  With an enb.

not bad gpu's if your getting decent frames on FO4 granted its be sluggish at times thou. what sorts of memory do they give you on gpu like 2 gig card? how long b4 you have to plug in too or do i not want to know battery life

i get 50-100 minimum on this sap radon 460 high with textures 1920x1080 my cpu barely goes about 51-2 degrees c with ambient 20~ which aint bad for a 220w CPU eek still scares me that......

 

heres a bench i done on gta not bad for a 460 right on amd rated game. 2 of these cards should bring my bottom end up aint tried higher res yet althou im tempted to and scale down to fit screen . did have 16gig ram so im somewhat limited atm with 8 till new kits arrive should help vastly with editing times guess at 3840x2160 i would take a hit on fps until i had 2 cards from first looks about 30 fps if im lucky 

 

 

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 35.860897, 66.081192, 53.811119

Pass 1, 35.806095, 74.845413, 60.011795

Pass 2, 29.729548, 130.105118, 53.208832

Pass 3, 46.344467, 87.412216, 60.965130

Pass 4, 28.421631, 96.488235, 60.810917

 

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg

Pass 0, 15.132899, 27.885527, 18.583519

Pass 1, 13.360872, 27.928205, 16.663391

Pass 2, 7.686093, 33.636570, 18.793873

Pass 3, 11.440048, 21.577549, 16.402819

Pass 4, 10.363957, 35.184471, 16.444416

 

and my settings to help lesser cpus handle good frame rates lol

=== SYSTEM ===

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601)

DX Feature Level: 11.0

AMD FX-9370 Eight-Core Processor (8 CPUs), ~4.4GHz

8192MB RAM

67EF:CF, 4237MB, Driver Version 22.19.156.1

Graphics Card Vendor Id 0x1002 with Device ID 0x67ef

 

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[Nepro]

No. Fallout is terribly optimized and memory speed is your actual bottleneck.

 

You're still going to lag like fuck in diamond city.

 

What are the best RAM sticks on the market with memory speed and latency?

[mgrandy]

i just use cheapos Kingston all ram is made at same speed just some are higher volt n clocks just 2400 would be oc memory mine runs at cl11 which is pretty poo lower the better 1600mhz. just with computer working alot i only tend to get 2 year max out a stick and when your replacing them like that and overclocking it does shorten life. 4 years if im lucky thats if its ddr3, ddr 4 starts at 2133 i think at 4x 8 gbs is alot of mola and 64g must be a typo because 16 sticks dont exist, yet my mb supports them or there just well out my range only 16g i seem to find is server ram

 

just imaging it like a graphic card where a different company would offer you a better oc ram

[Daymarr]

I see this one is accepting preorders, but you don't get the free game choice like the other ones.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487336

[27X]

 

No. Fallout is terribly optimized and memory speed is your actual bottleneck.

 

You're still going to lag like fuck in diamond city.

 

What are the best RAM sticks on the market with memory speed and latency?

 

 

Best is Corsair, as far as winning the lottery goes, as by winning the lottery I mean "this ram will put up with your bullshit".

 

Kingston and Crucial are also solid. Check your motherboard first before doing anything to make sure you don't need a bios revision or what's compatible on the record and off.

[mgrandy]

I see this one is accepting preorders, but you don't get the free game choice like the other ones.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487336

probs coz its pre order, aint out yet other models out will have a game free no? nvm needs to be a founders edition for free game. it would have the 1 fan kit with slightly less memory speed usually cheaper but if you water cool wont matter just get FE and clock up

 

i used to skip the fans altogether because increase the cost and go for silent cards then fit my own cooling then up the clocks generally you can pick up a silent card for half the price of one with a fan kit on it but these days dont come with enough sp this is about the best sli  set i could find and cheap if you picked up a 2nd hand set you would get 2 cards for 1 but long are them days over think it was 2x  silent 9500 gts at the time