Right Wing Backlash (UK Porn Register)

[labrat]

The UK had some local elections yesterday and the Conservative party lost some ground. What really upset them was that they lost a significant pool of voters to a right wing party called the UK Independence Party (UKIP), which favours a "special relationship" with the US (at least the Republican and Bible Belt parts of the US) and cutting ties with Europe.

 

One immediate response has been to declare war on Internet Pornography - to protect the children of course....and to reestablish a link with right wing voters. Lest you think that this is just coincidence, the link was so obvious that even the BBC's political commentator mentioned it. The "pervs" who like porn are not believed to be economically or politically powerful, so attacking them is low risk and looks good in the "Daily Malign".

 

The proposal is that UK computer owners will have to register their interest in erotic arts sorry, filthy pornography, with their ISP. At present some of the big information retailers , sorry, ISPs, offer NetNanny type options, but a concerned Conservative spokeswoman said "only one in four parents is being responsible and blocking adult content" so they want a law to force censorship on everyone who does not register to allow "adult material" on their PC. If the same household has children in it, questions will be asked.

 

They hope that a combination of embarrassment and fear will prevent a large percentage of the populace accessing material deemed unsuitable by the authorities and make it easier to police the few who are prepared to sign up.

 

Its worse than that, Jim. Think how they will have to maintain blacklists of content providers in order to enforce this, and who will be making the decisions as to what is permissible, even if you do register, because enforcement will mean strict policing of content providers and chinese levels of control.

 

Don't get complacent, US or Europe. If the puritans seize control in the UK then how long do you think your freedom will last?

 

 

 

Remember. The time to gird your loins is before the jackboot hits you in the goolies.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Why gird my loins ?

 

I'll whip it out, run into congress, and start masturbating while screaming

 

"IM RICK JAMES, BITCH"

[windpl]

The UK had some local elections yesterday and the Conservative party lost some ground. What really upset them was that they lost a significant pool of voters to a right wing party called the UK Independence Party (UKIP)' date=' which favours a "special relationship" with the US (at least the Republican and Bible Belt parts of the US) and cutting ties with Europe.

 

One immediate response has been to declare war on Internet Pornography - to protect the children of course....and to reestablish a link with right wing voters. Lest you think that this is just coincidence, the link was so obvious that even the BBC's political commentator mentioned it. The "pervs" who like porn are not believed to be economically or politically powerful, so attacking them is low risk and looks good in the "Daily Malign".

 

The proposal is that UK computer owners will have to register their interest in [s']erotic arts[/s] sorry, filthy pornography, with their ISP. At present some of the big information retailers , sorry,

 

I can't read any further from this point.

1. I can't stop laughing.

2. I feel very sorry how stupid some people are.

3. I feel angry how stupid some people are.

[gregathit]

..... so attacking them is low risk and looks good in the "Daily Malign".

 

 

I think bottom line this really is the crux of the issue. The party F'ed up and is looking to blame someone that won't fight back.

 

Typical blame shifting. It is the same on this side of the pond as well.

 

Hell, the US government has gone 1050+ days without passing an approved budget. Can you say teenager with a credit card!!!!!!

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Yeah, it's really silly in the US.

 

Obama's party (the Democrats, which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US) controlled the house/senate for the first two years of his term, before loosing the house during the midterm elections.

No budget passed.

 

Now, the senate wont pass any budget from the house, because they don't want the Republicans (in the US thats the right/religolus/conservitive/and somewhat centrist party) to get any credit and want to be able to say they wont comprimise.

Where if the Senate tries to push a bill thru, they refuse to compromise on any proposed changes by the house.

 

In the US it's causing more and more people to support tax reform, with one of the more popular measures being to totally get rid of income taxes, and replace them with a national sales tax only (for Euros, this would be like paying ONLY the VAT tax and nothing else), which would only apply to new goods (IE: if a place sells used items, no tax).

 

The good thing about that of course would be that it'd create a fixed income that CANT be adjusted that heavily, would be more fair because people would pay in taxes on what they spend (and food and basics would be exempt), and it'd force the goverment to actually cut the budget.

 

Also getting more popular is the idea of a balanced budget admendment to the constitution.

 

Basically, if congress passes a budget that spends more than they took in the past year, it's not legal and automatically thrown out (excepting time of war/national emergency).

 

Of course, the political establishment on both sides are shitting themselves at the thought of this.

[Symon]

Point of order!

(the Democrats, which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US)

This in no way describes the US Democrats and gives an extremely misleading impression. Do not be fooled by 'Social Democrats' in other countries.

 

The United States has two Right Wing Parties. The Democrats are just not as Right Wing as the Republicans. Now many Republicans see them as 'dangerously Left Wing' but they aren't remotely Left Wing by European standards and this labeling is very difficult to take seriously outside the USA!

 

This can be exemplified with how US Republicans will seriously ask Europeans how they can stand 'Evil Socialized Medicine' and we just don't know what to say to them.

We know asking how they cope with a non-socialized medicine system will just infuriate them. Some deeply embedded concepts just can't be challenged with out a lot of sound and fury.

[Guest Gandalf]

(the Democrats, which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US)

 

He needs attention.

All i can say is in the US,they took away our booze and we made them give it back... hehe

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Point of order!

(the Democrats' date=' which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US)[/quote']

This in no way describes the US Democrats and gives an extremely misleading impression. Do not be fooled by 'Social Democrats' in others countries.

 

The United States has two Right Wing Parties. The Democrats are just not as Right Wing as the Republicans. Now many Republicans see them as 'dangerously Left Wing' but they aren't remotely Left Wing by European standards and this labeling is very difficult to take seriously outside the USA!

 

This can be exemplified with how US Republicans will seriously ask Europeans how they can stand 'Evil Socialized Medicine' and we just don't know what to say to them.

We know asking how they cope with a non-socialized medicine system will just infuriate them. Some deeply embedded concepts just can't be challenged with out a lot of sound and fury.

 

Actually, many modern Democrats ARE marxists.

 

Obama is a good example, both of his parents for example were marxists, and if you actually look into his past you'll see a lot of marxist associates and what not.

 

Not to mention, when he got into local Chicago politics and started his political career where did he do it ? In the home of Bill Ayers.

Ayers co-founded the Weather Underground which was a communist group devoted to overthrow of the US Goverment, and which also engaged in bombings and acts of violence.

 

The way US politics have stagnated into a two party system has really hamperd the US, as BOTH parties have radical elements and history (IE: historically, the Democrats were the party that supported slavery, then segregation/discrimination and the Klan, with former Klan members serving in the Senate as Democrats into recent times, one such example would be Robert Byrd, who served until 2003.

 

In the case of radical republicans, historically, you had the anti-slavery field, some of whom resorted to violence and attempted to foment slave rebellions, plus of course Abraham Lincoln (who in his time WAS quite radical, part of what caused the civil war, however it would have occurred regardless).

In modern times, the republicans have been the more conservative of the two parties (their liberal tendencies are now more of historical note), however they tend to be supported more by certain radical groups, such as those opposed to abortion (and willing to bomb clinics/shoot people to stop it) as well as the modern racist groups; ironic, considering historically it was the republicans that were more for equal rights, etc. (admitedly, both parties had those against that stuff as well as for)

 

The fact is, Symon, that while it's not the whole party, the broad left that is included in the Democrat party DOES include marxists and socilists and communists.

[Symon]

..and Fidel Castro was Obama's godfather and Che Guavara was his cell-leader!

 

Just proves my point about being unable to explain some things to a different world. If Obama was a 'Marxist', he'd not be allowed to sell 'Marxism Today' in this country by his 'peers'. (grin)

 

Conflating Marxism, Communism, Stalinism, Socialism et al is one of the signs that the person you are speaking to couldn't tell the difference between them if their lives depended on it.

[Guest Gandalf]

Point of order!

(the Democrats' date=' which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US)[/quote']

This in no way describes the US Democrats and gives an extremely misleading impression. Do not be fooled by 'Social Democrats' in others countries.

 

The United States has two Right Wing Parties. The Democrats are just not as Right Wing as the Republicans. Now many Republicans see them as 'dangerously Left Wing' but they aren't remotely Left Wing by European standards and this labeling is very difficult to take seriously outside the USA!

 

This can be exemplified with how US Republicans will seriously ask Europeans how they can stand 'Evil Socialized Medicine' and we just don't know what to say to them.

We know asking how they cope with a non-socialized medicine system will just infuriate them. Some deeply embedded concepts just can't be challenged with out a lot of sound and fury.

 

Actually, many modern Democrats ARE marxists.

 

Obama is a good example, both of his parents for example were marxists, and if you actually look into his past you'll see a lot of marxist associates and what not.

 

Not to mention, when he got into local Chicago politics and started his political career where did he do it ? In the home of Bill Ayers.

Ayers co-founded the Weather Underground which was a communist group devoted to overthrow of the US Goverment, and which also engaged in bombings and acts of violence.

 

The way US politics have stagnated into a two party system has really hamperd the US, as BOTH parties have radical elements and history (IE: historically, the Democrats were the party that supported slavery, then segregation/discrimination and the Klan, with former Klan members serving in the Senate as Democrats into recent times, one such example would be Robert Byrd, who served until 2003.

 

In the case of radical republicans, historically, you had the anti-slavery field, some of whom resorted to violence and attempted to foment slave rebellions, plus of course Abraham Lincoln (who in his time WAS quite radical, part of what caused the civil war, however it would have occurred regardless).

In modern times, the republicans have been the more conservative of the two parties (their liberal tendencies are now more of historical note), however they tend to be supported more by certain radical groups, such as those opposed to abortion (and willing to bomb clinics/shoot people to stop it) as well as the modern racist groups; ironic, considering historically it was the republicans that were more for equal rights, etc. (admitedly, both parties had those against that stuff as well as for)

 

The fact is, Symon, that while it's not the whole party, the broad left that is included in the Democrat party DOES include marxists and socilists and communists.

 

Oh so you're getting this all from Wikipedia then it has to be true.

 

I get so sick of this kind of bullshit where everything is twisted to fit an erroneous point of view and objectivity is thrown out the window in favor of whatever extremist asshole that wants to recruit a following of like-minded nutcases that also think the sky is falling thinks.

Fuck i have to quit reading these posts!

[thesapien]

Point of order!

(the Democrats' date=' which is the mainstream left/socialists/communists in the US)[/quote']

This in no way describes the US Democrats and gives an extremely misleading impression. Do not be fooled by 'Social Democrats' in others countries.

 

The United States has two Right Wing Parties. The Democrats are just not as Right Wing as the Republicans. Now many Republicans see them as 'dangerously Left Wing' but they aren't remotely Left Wing by European standards and this labeling is very difficult to take seriously outside the USA!

 

 

Actually, many modern Democrats ARE marxists.

The fact is, Symon, that while it's not the whole party, the broad left that is included in the Democrat party DOES include marxists and socilists and communists.

 

If you're way over on the left or right, then everyone else seems to be left or right.

 

It's such an odd, funny thing that we depict the total sum of the complexities of politics as a simple line on a two dimensional plane, don't you think?

 

Anyway, from my POV, Republicans and Democrats in the US might as well be the same party. They look about as distinct as Lutherans and Protestants appear to an atheist.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Actually the two parties are VERY different, other than being good at blowing out a budget.

 

The main difference is shown in the policies they pass.

 

Note: I'm speaking on the parties as a whole, as I said above the parties are a mix of the political spectrum and what would be 3+ parties each if it were not simply a two party system.

 

The Democrats focus on policies that have people relying on government handouts, and driving businesses they (or major supporters) dislike.

One good example: Obama made a speech before his election saying he'll allow new coal power plants, but he wants to make it so expensive it'll drive the companies out of business.

 

The Republicans tend to focus on tax breaks for everyone, in the belief that if the company has more spare cash, it will spend it by expanding, which means more jobs.

 

Now I'm sure someone will mention the religolus part of the republicans, but keep in mind, they're the far right side of the party, and are more or less marginalized outside of certain regions.

[Kashked]

As already has been stated, what is considered "right wing" and "left wing" is entirely based upon the culture you belong too... Obama would be considered belonging to the extreme right in Sweden, while our mainstream left wing would be considered pretty much hardcore communists in the US. There is no objective point from which you can assign someone an political position that is true in all contexts...

 

From the perspective of the european left, the differences between the democrats and the republicans are fairly small to be honest.

 

They look about as distinct as Lutherans and Protestants appear to an atheist.

 

^^What he said.

To an outsider the difference is miniscule, to an insider it is huge.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Actually it isn't.

 

A number of the democrats, such as Obama are marxists, which is a BIG differnce from the bulk of the republicans.

 

And while, yes, most democrats are not communists/marxists, the fact is they DO lean a that way a good bit.

[GSBmodders]

the us already had it's people vrs larry flint which garuntee's us the right to porn. the uk needs there own now

 

 

Actually it isn't.

 

A number of the democrats' date=' such as Obama are marxists, which is a BIG differnce from the bulk of the republicans.

 

And while, yes, most democrats are not communists/marxists, the fact is they DO lean a that way a good bit.

[/quote']

 

I disagree with this statement. Do not confuse looking out for the welfare and well being of ones own as marxism.

 

The only difference between a republican and a democrat is that a republican wants to give all of the money to continue subsidising big oil (even though these companies have been consistently reporting record profits for over a decade.) and contractors such as Halliburton

 

the democrats would instead like to use that to fix the social and economic crisis at home.

 

I get sick to my stomach each time I read about just who we hand out foriegn aid to, or award yet another big contract to.

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

the us already had it's people vrs larry flint which garuntee's us the right to porn. the uk needs there own now

 

Yeah, they need to actually quit voting for handouts, vote for rights.

 

And when the folks that demand handouts riot again, just fire for effect at the parasites.

[llab]

Obama is not a "marxist".

 

He is what the right wing in America call a "cultural marxist".

 

 

Now what is "cultural marxism"?

 

Nothing to do with karl marx. Again it's just what the right wing in America call scientific/open/reasonable/educated debate.

 

Basically... EVERYONE that isn't a libertarian/biblethumper is a "cultural marxist".

[Kashiwaba Tomoe]

Actually, no, he IS a marxist.

 

Hell, his political career started in the living room of a co-founder of a communist group that planted bombs and killed people.

[Kashked]

Obama is not a "marxist".

 

He is what the right wing in America call a "cultural marxist".

 

 

Now what is "cultural marxism"?

 

Nothing to do with karl marx. Again it's just what the right wing in America call scientific/open/reasonable/educated debate.

 

Basically... EVERYONE that isn't a libertarian/biblethumper is a "cultural marxist".

 

Well' date=' I can't speak for the US, but the only people who use the word "cultural marxist" in Europe (or atleast in Scandinavia) at the moment are supporters of Anders Behring Breivik (the norway massmurderer), appearently there are marxists plots to poision western culture and the christian heritage or something to that effect...

 

Actually, no, he IS a marxist.

 

Hell, his political career started in the living room of a co-founder of a communist group that planted bombs and killed people.

 

One shouldn't judge someones politics on where it started... Most young idealists who get into politics get tangled up with extremists at one point or another. And marxism entails more than just a welfare system, it means working towards an dictatorship of the proletariat with the final goal of abolishing capitalism... Not exactly something that is on Obama's schedule. Although he has nationalized some assets this was on the urging of big business, not the "downtrodden proletariat".

 

Try broadening your horizons, the US isn't the world. If you got more aquainted with the political groups that actually are marxists out in the world I think you would appriciate your president a lot more... Sweden had a party leaders who openly called himself a communist just a few years back, and his party still has plenty of self-confessed communists (being the former communist party, perhaps not that much of a shocker...). A socialist just gained the presidency in France. India has an armed marxist-maoist uprising that has been going on for years, etc.

 

While Obama clearly is on the left, from an american perspective at least, he is by no definition of the word a marxist.

[gregathit]

The only difference between a republican and a democrat is that a republican wants to give all of the money to continue subsidising big oil (even though these companies have been consistently reporting record profits for over a decade.) and contractors such as Halliburton

Actually it would be better put that repub's want to subsidize big business while the dem's want to subsidize social change (abortions paid for by everyone but the one getting it' date=' gender neutral nonsense like gay marriage/special rights and many other "push the social envelope" items) in addition to subsidizing 'selected' businesses.

 

Let's not kid ourselves on this. Both parties suck hairy balls and are completely out of touch with reality. I think we could use a break from both parties for a decade or so.

 

 

the democrats would instead like to use that to fix the social and economic crisis at home.

 

Fix? ........LOL! Try as they might they have yet to "fix" a damn thing. Yes they want to address it but damn if they have a clue how to go about it. Seems strange that with all the lawyers on the hill that they are so obtuse sometimes. This isn't just aimed at the dem's but also the repub's as well.

 

 

I get sick to my stomach each time I read about just who we hand out foriegn aid to' date=' or award yet another big contract to.

[/quote']

 

I hear you on this brother. If that isn't enough to make you sick, just look at your pay stub and realize that they are using your taxes to "live the life" and pay out millions to countries that only deserve bombs/bullets......not c-notes!!!!!

[Dmouse52]

just stumbled across this and....LOL. heard it all before. I'm a tory voter and this is one of those things that the british public will ignore and means nothing to anyone except the extreme right wing. Any laws aimed at restricting porn content in the UK are going to be ignored for the most part. I find it annoying to be sure (like the live jasmin popup) but to put in place is another matter. In this year 2012 we were supposed to have an ID card system as part of our law as signed up to by tony blair in the lisbon treaty but it has not happened in the foreseeable future nor will it. now britain is under a lot of international pressure to do it. especially from the US after the trade centre tragedy. now the authorities have seriously tried to sell the idea to the public but so far no takers so the whole thing is on indefinite hold. I'm pretty damn sure that any legislation aimed at restricting porn are going to be met with overwhelming apathy and be a complete and utter waste of time,money and paper

[Guest Gandalf]

just stumbled across this and....LOL. heard it all before. I'm a tory voter and this is one of those things that the british public will ignore and means nothing to anyone except the extreme right wing. Any laws aimed at restricting porn content in the UK are going to be ignored for the most part. I find it annoying to be sure (like the live jasmin popup) but to put in place is another matter. In this year 2012 we were supposed to have an ID card system as part of our law as signed up to by tony blair in the lisbon treaty but it has not happened in the foreseeable future nor will it. now britain is under a lot of international pressure to do it. especially from the US after the trade centre tragedy. now the authorities have seriously tried to sell the idea to the public but so far no takers so the whole thing is on indefinite hold. I'm pretty damn sure that any legislation aimed at restricting porn are going to be met with overwhelming apathy and be a complete and utter waste of time' date='money and paper

[/quote']

 

Damn i guess you know you ruined it for everyone,conspiracy is so much more fun than reality.

 

Now back to Obama's mother having been impregnated by an inter-dimensional,time traveling mutant that claims to be the reincarnated father of Carl Marx who also revealed that it was his duty to father the antichrist but he couldn't do it in the US because he lost his passport...Hehehe

[MrMan11]

I have to say that I am sorry but I may just have pressed the report button on someones coment if a moderator sees this I ask that you.disregard it.

[thesapien]

Ever notice how the biggest conspiracy nutz have been the leaders themselves? They are like royalty family bloodlines who are paranoid because they will stab each other in the back.

 

Bill Clinton once said in front of cameras (its all over YouTube), that Carroll Quigley was a favorite professor of his. Quigley practically and literally wrote the book on modern conspiracies. So, Clinton's message, if you want to be rich and powerful, consider studying the rich and powerful.

[Symon]

To explain a little of Dmouse52's post to non-UK members:

 

Tory = (another name for) Conservative.

Conservative: the decent Right-Wing of UK politics. Not a party of 'Right-Wing-Nutters' for the most part (even their extreme right is rarely insane).

 

Oddly enough, I've always reckoned President Obama would fit slightly left of its centre or there-abouts (so much for Obama the Marxist!).