Anbeegod Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Institute: Illuminati Mysterious and hidden. Powerful. Spies everywhere. Control the world (Diamond City and Minutemen if player is alleged to the Institute). BOS: Nazi Racism. Militarily powerful. Expand their power. Leader is a hypocritical dickhead and doesn't care about war strategies. Worship the leader. Minutemen: Democratic Socialists Freedom. People-based. If you work, you eat. Railroad: Anarchists Doesn't care about order. Freedom from power. Highly flawed structure. (the real Railroad free black people from enslavement. F4 Railroad just pretend/assume all Synths to be slaves and make the Synth slave thing its propaganda)
Istill Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Well. Nice. Just nice, i wouldnt say Bos is Nazi but hell, you are right.
Guest MonsterFish Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I'd say BoS is more North Korea. As much as the National Socialists were power hungry ravenous warmongering beasts, they did help the country and were okay to enter into talks with other countries (Japan, Italy, Etc.) BoS just want all the power to themselves, never relying on anyone else to do anything for them. Although that said North Korea does kind of rely on China for exports so... I can't really draw any parallels there either
Anbeegod Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 I'd say BoS is more North Korea. As much as the National Socialists were power hungry ravenous warmongering beasts, they did help the country and were okay to enter into talks with other countries (Japan, Italy, Etc.) BoS just want all the power to themselves, never relying on anyone else to do anything for them. Although that said North Korea does kind of rely on China for exports so... I can't really draw any parallels there either Maybe ISIS then. lol But ISIS is militarily weak while military is BOS's only strong thing.
Guest MonsterFish Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I'd be tempted to say BoS was like the USSR but the Soviets were hardly a hermit state
Anbeegod Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 I'd be tempted to say BoS was like the USSR but the Soviets were hardly a hermit state East Coast BOS is not hermit at all; but then, it doesn't have satellite factions, and its leader won the war by tactics, unlike Maxson who's all "firepower rules" like. I don't think racism is a feature of USSR either. Speaking of which, I suddenly realize that BOS is like Republicans and Maxson is Bush. lol
Regallag Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I'd be tempted to say BoS was like the USSR but the Soviets were hardly a hermit state I don't think racism is a feature of USSR either. In theory the USSR was against racism, because racial divisions were a tool that the bourgeoisie used to pit the proletariat against itself. In practice the USSR discriminated against Indigenous Siberians, Central Asians, East Asians, Jews, and others. It was never 'put the minorities into concentration camps' style oppression, but it was significantly harder for those who not ethic Russians. Because the elite in charge of the USSR used racial divisions to the common people against each other.
Anbeegod Posted February 21, 2016 Author Posted February 21, 2016 I'd be tempted to say BoS was like the USSR but the Soviets were hardly a hermit state I don't think racism is a feature of USSR either. In theory the USSR was against racism, because racial divisions were a tool that the bourgeoisie used to pit the proletariat against itself. In practice the USSR discriminated against Indigenous Siberians, Central Asians, East Asians, Jews, and others. It was never 'put the minorities into concentration camps' style oppression, but it was significantly harder for those who not ethic Russians. Because the elite in charge of the USSR used racial divisions to the common people against each other. Humans.
FauxFurry Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 The Brotherhood of Steel differs from the Nazis in one key aspect: they are actually correct when they identify the 'enemy' as being non-human. Father is also right in his own way when he dismisses their concerns about Synths since the non-liberated Synths are just tools that are not inherently evil just like firearms. In an odd way, they are a fanatical group of gun control advocates who are trying to take away everyone's laser guns,plasma guns and kill-bots or like the US Military forcing a country whose leader is deemed a potential threat to international security to disarm or else.
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Children of atom: religious fanatics with suicidal tendencies (terrorist groups), they kill everyone that disagrees with theyr faith and themselves for the glory of their "god".
Anbeegod Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 Children of atom: religious fanatics with suicidal tendencies (terrorist groups), they kill everyone that disagrees with theyr faith and themselves for the glory of their "god". Medieval Catholic Church and modern Islamic State.
Kaz Aanh Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Stop calling BoS nazi, but if you really have to use the full name "German Nazi", don't alter the history. Nazi were a Germany where they won in the legal & democratic way. National Socialism? Midwestern bos was like them. There isn't really a real world faction that resembles bos, they are religious, technocrats. Focusing on the science and preserving technology so another war won't happen again. Which will most likely happen again because both NCR and Minutemen ideals are based on the democracy and we all know how that system works. Soon or sooner corruption will eat them from the inside and this is where we need BoS. Imo they would fit NATO more. They are the most diverse and spread faction around the wasteland, since every BoS bunker/expedition operates on his own. Instead of responding to the attacks by the external parties they respond to every technological threat , like institute for the example.
Anbeegod Posted February 25, 2016 Author Posted February 25, 2016 Stop calling BoS nazi, but if you really have to use the full name "German Nazi", don't alter the history. Nazi were a Germany where they won in the legal & democratic way. National Socialism? Midwestern bos was like them. There isn't really a real world faction that resembles bos, they are religious, technocrats. Focusing on the science and preserving technology so another war won't happen again. Which will most likely happen again because both NCR and Minutemen ideals are based on the democracy and we all know how that system works. Soon or sooner corruption will eat them from the inside and this is where we need BoS. Imo they would fit NATO more. They are the most diverse and spread faction around the wasteland, since every BoS bunker/expedition operates on his own. Instead of responding to the attacks by the external parties they respond to every technological threat , like institute for the example. What on earth makes you think they are the right hands? The hands that would slaughter innocents just to keep their secrets and ensure their dominance? What destroyed the world isn't democracy, nor is it technology. It was the greed and ignorant sense of pride of humans that pushed humanity to extinction. Did anyone just said they would eliminate the threats to humanity such as synths and ghouls? BOS is formed by humans. Humans are ultimately all the same. Nothing makes BOS a more suitable hand to guide everyone, and only fanatic morons would think a 20 year-old radical racist as a Messiah. F3 BOS was the only good BOS. With Owyn Lyons and his daughter gone, and the fundamentalists returned, East Coast BOS has become Nazi BOS again.
ojanen Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 I think Their "Ad Victoriam" is "Sieg Heil". Prydwen is Hindenburg. I think that although there are other, Bethesda was also the image of the Nazis to the personality with the B.O.S of FO4.
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Stop calling BoS nazi, but if you really have to use the full name "German Nazi", don't alter the history. Nazi were a Germany where they won in the legal & democratic way. National Socialism? Midwestern bos was like them. There isn't really a real world faction that resembles bos, they are religious, technocrats. Focusing on the science and preserving technology so another war won't happen again. Which will most likely happen again because both NCR and Minutemen ideals are based on the democracy and we all know how that system works. Soon or sooner corruption will eat them from the inside and this is where we need BoS. Imo they would fit NATO more. They are the most diverse and spread faction around the wasteland, since every BoS bunker/expedition operates on his own. Instead of responding to the attacks by the external parties they respond to every technological threat , like institute for the example. What on earth makes you think they are the right hands? The hands that would slaughter innocents just to keep their secrets and ensure their dominance? What destroyed the world isn't democracy, nor is it technology. It was the greed and ignorant sense of pride of humans that pushed humanity to extinction. Did anyone just said they would eliminate the threats to humanity such as synths and ghouls? BOS is formed by humans. Humans are ultimately all the same. Nothing makes BOS a more suitable hand to guide everyone, and only fanatic morons would think a 20 year-old radical racist as a Messiah. F3 BOS was the only good BOS. With Owyn Lyons and his daughter gone, and the fundamentalists returned, East Coast BOS has become Nazi BOS again. true what destroyed the world was greed and peoples stupidity. I think Their "Ad Victoriam" is "Sieg Heil". Prydwen is Hindenburg. I think that although there are other, Bethesda was also the image of the Nazis to the personality with the B.O.S of FO4. LOL! Im thinking about possible BOS anti synth/ghouls Propaganda, Maxon doing the Nazi salute with vertibirds and knights on his back and the Saying: the ghouls got our caps!
Jazzman Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 There is a spiritual, fascist kinship of the 3rd kind between two 'ubermensch' factions within their factions - the Synth Retention Bureau of Dr Zimmer (and in his absence led by Dr Ayo), the guy I killed some eight years ago in cold blood in Rivet City / DC (which is still unknown to the Institute) and the splinter faction of the BoS of Fuhrer Maxson that operates in the Commonwealth, thus in an area not controlled by the BoS headquarter in DC. There are some hints that Maxson's group might be outcasted from DC, probably for thought to be responsible for the killing of 'the hatred' Elder Lyons. You remember the Outcasts in Fallout 3 and their collecting mania of high-technological things, huh. Coincidence? Guess not.
Kaz Aanh Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 No FO3 BoS wasn't the true BoS. Elder Lyons was weak because he wanted to help everyone, he put his personal feelings above the BoS codex. Thats why east coast BoS was divided and Sarah died. BoS needs a strong charismatic leader, there is no place for pussy cats or *paladins* , you can't help anyone but you can help the wasteland by eliminating threats like science-abonimations that abuse the technology for their own power. It ain't gonna change my mind im with BoS to the death. Few dead ghouls here or there is a fair price for keeping the wasteland safe from the greedy and corrupt mad inventors. Post apocalyptic wasteland is not a place for sharing love. Also Lyons group of BoS was just a small expedition that was sent to the capital wasteland, they did not represented the entire BoS. Better safe than sorry.
Anbeegod Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 No FO3 BoS wasn't the true BoS. Elder Lyons was weak because he wanted to help everyone, he put his personal feelings above the BoS codex. Thats why east coast BoS was divided and Sarah died. BoS needs a strong charismatic leader, there is no place for pussy cats or *paladins* , you can't help anyone but you can help the wasteland by eliminating threats like science-abonimations that abuse the technology for their own power. It ain't gonna change my mind im with BoS to the death. Few dead ghouls here or there is a fair price for keeping the wasteland safe from the greedy and corrupt mad inventors. Post apocalyptic wasteland is not a place for sharing love. Also Lyons group of BoS was just a small expedition that was sent to the capital wasteland, they did not represented the entire BoS. Better safe than sorry. Because the true BOS is not even good. If you can tell the difference between fundamentalist and progressive Christians, you should be able to realize the very simple idea. If you've played Warcraft, I'm sure you have a good idea of how witless it would be to say the old horde is the true horde that is the best horde. Who says the BOS codex must be right? It's like the religious books of different religions, full of flaws and holes, and artificially added articles that are used to empower certain people. The true BOS would slaughter innocent doctors who only wish to help, just because they "might" have some knowledge the BOS "thinks" they shouldn't have. The logic is, so long as no one would lay their filthy hands on dangerous tech, everyone besides BOS members can be eradicated, because all wastelanders are those filthy hands; and let's not neglect the fact that BOS members aren't messiahs who definitely wouldn't have selfishness and greed. Believing in a noble cause (which isn't quite actually) blindly is exactly one of the reasons that caused so many casualties throughout history. Saying BOS would definitely not be corrupt, isn't much different with DPRK and IS soldiers. If only you can see the fact, BOS would slay much more than a few ghouls for their fetish tech dream. The lives of all who they think aren't worthy to have possession of technology - that's the ultimate price of BOS's goal. Better alone than weak.
FauxFurry Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 I think Their "Ad Victoriam" is "Sieg Heil". Prydwen is Hindenburg. I think that although there are other, Bethesda was also the image of the Nazis to the personality with the B.O.S of FO4. Seig Heil does roughly translate to Hail Victory so it isn't off-base to make the comparison even if I personally don't see them as being particularly close Nazi Germany analogues.
Jazzman Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I think Their "Ad Victoriam" is "Sieg Heil". Prydwen is Hindenburg. I think that although there are other, Bethesda was also the image of the Nazis to the personality with the B.O.S of FO4. Seig Heil does roughly translate to Hail Victory so it isn't off-base to make the comparison even if I personally don't see them as being particularly close Nazi Germany analogues. No need for analogies, dissimilar similarities do nicely so that players with at least some basic knowledge in history can connect the dots, necessary to classify the kind of a faction in game w/o any great effort. The BoS/Outcasts in the Commonwealth are fascists, as is the SRB of the Institute. Many a fascist out there, one might say. But this just reflects the zeitgeist in the real world of our young millennium, the time of game development.
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I wonder why the most hated faction in fallout 4 is the only ones trying to rebuild instead of whinning about how the world sucks. The minutemen at tooweak to do anything, I nevr finished my "minuteman" playtrough, preston would bitch about any hard decision Ive make, hes a fucking dreamer stuck on ponyland. He thinks the world is black an white and that pisses me off, hard choices need to be made, I actually had 2 settlements raided at once and decided to help the onw with more food (greygarden) instead of protecting some scavengers on the middle of nowere (outpost zimonja), the outpostwas overrun by raiders while no one got hurt at greygardfen and preston started to complain! Then i decided tostop leveling and use all my caps onresources to fortify my settlements, Ive built concrete walls and at least 78 missile turrets on each one, I gave powerarmor and top weponry to the guards, put flametrowers at the ebtrance and went back to my life, when my next settlement was attacked no one got hurt, they coldnt steal anything and there was a shitload of meat from the supermutants, then preston says I should have helped! Form fuck sake I gave the minuteman more fiepower than the brotherhood! We probably had enouth fatman and mininukes to take down the prydween if we wanted everione that attacked us were killed before entering tyengates without me and preston was being a bitch! I really want a mod that rtemoves the esential part of preston, but allow the questline to continue without him (hes a fucking liability).
Jazzman Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I wonder why the most hated faction in fallout 4 is the only ones trying to rebuild instead of whinning about how the world sucks. The minutemen at tooweak to do anything, I nevr finished my "minuteman" playtrough, preston would bitch about any hard decision Ive make, hes a fucking dreamer stuck on ponyland. He thinks the world is black an white and that pisses me off, hard choices need to be made, I actually had 2 settlements raided at once and decided to help the onw with more food (greygarden) instead of protecting some scavengers on the middle of nowere (outpost zimonja), the outpostwas overrun by raiders while no one got hurt at greygardfen and preston started to complain! Then i decided tostop leveling and use all my caps onresources to fortify my settlements, Ive built concrete walls and at least 78 missile turrets on each one, I gave powerarmor and top weponry to the guards, put flametrowers at the ebtrance and went back to my life, when my next settlement was attacked no one got hurt, they coldnt steal anything and there was a shitload of meat from the supermutants, then preston says I should have helped! Form fuck sake I gave the minuteman more fiepower than the brotherhood! We probably had enouth fatman and mininukes to take down the prydween if we wanted everione that attacked us were killed before entering tyengates without me and preston was being a bitch! I really want a mod that rtemoves the esential part of preston, but allow the questline to continue without him (hes a fucking liability). I've already started my own faction, the coalition of the pissed off. Right now that gipsy squad is made of five morons and a frakkin' dog with the dog as the leader of the pack. We just trail his yapping, a workable tactics.
Guest Comrade DR. MAHUJ DIK Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I wonder why the most hated faction in fallout 4 is the only ones trying to rebuild instead of whinning about how the world sucks. The minutemen at tooweak to do anything, I nevr finished my "minuteman" playtrough, preston would bitch about any hard decision Ive make, hes a fucking dreamer stuck on ponyland. He thinks the world is black an white and that pisses me off, hard choices need to be made, I actually had 2 settlements raided at once and decided to help the onw with more food (greygarden) instead of protecting some scavengers on the middle of nowere (outpost zimonja), the outpostwas overrun by raiders while no one got hurt at greygardfen and preston started to complain! Then i decided tostop leveling and use all my caps onresources to fortify my settlements, Ive built concrete walls and at least 78 missile turrets on each one, I gave powerarmor and top weponry to the guards, put flametrowers at the ebtrance and went back to my life, when my next settlement was attacked no one got hurt, they coldnt steal anything and there was a shitload of meat from the supermutants, then preston says I should have helped! Form fuck sake I gave the minuteman more fiepower than the brotherhood! We probably had enouth fatman and mininukes to take down the prydween if we wanted everione that attacked us were killed before entering tyengates without me and preston was being a bitch! I really want a mod that rtemoves the esential part of preston, but allow the questline to continue without him (hes a fucking liability). I've already started my own faction, the coalition of the pissed off. Right now that gipsy squad is made of five morons and a frakkin' dog with the dog as the leader of the pack. We just trail his yapping, a workable tactics. Still more efficient than the minutemen, beleve me dogmeat with atackdog is more usefull than a minutemen squad (does less stupid shit too). We really need a mod that allows you to build your own faction.
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