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I can't handle it.

 

I've downloaded something like 2 gigabytes of mods and the essential other mods that they require, Mod Manager has a long list of mods and I have NO IDEA what sequence will work.

 

The "play" button in the menu caused CTD instead, so I shuffled mods and disabled some.

 

I got the game working, but every sex scene was interrupted by five pop-up "can't find motion for sex pos 105" messages and the gangrape scenes weren't triggering at all. I got the *messages* about them, at first, but they never happened. Also many animations weren't happening. Creatures would just stand in the same place as the PC and vibrate a bit.

 

Must be missing files, right?

 

Adding PSE worked, but didn't fix *anything*. All it gave me was the new "gag," "gag me," "enslave me" and "slave settings" spells.

 

The "gag me" and "enslave me" spells and an assassin's attempt to enslave me during a rape all cause lock-up crash, i.e. CTRL_ALT_DEL is the only thing that works, every time.

 

I tried moving stuff around and I'm back to the "play" button going straight to CTD.

 

Is there a sensible way to actually work out what sequence will work, or do I need a spreadsheet and a full day's trial-and-error?

 

Current list definitely does not work:

 

Oblivion

Lovers with PK

DLCShiveringIsles

Knights

Lovers with PK

Bashed

PSE

LoversBitch

PSELoversBitchPatch

LoversRaperS

LoversRaperSGalgat...

LoversGalgatBeastRa...

LoversJoburg

LSTBravilUnderground

LoversTrueCrime

LoversAdultPlayPlusfo... <=== came up red not green, never managed to launch the game with this active.

LoversHooker

LoversBrute

MaleBodyReplacer

Pelham Lost Spires

PSE Hackdirt

PSE PayBandit

LoversMB2

LoversIdleAnimsPrioriti...

LoversAnimObjectsPri...

 

It seems everything requires three other things to come before it, so nothing works without a huge list of background things. Any chance someone's working on a single mod that combines all those background things?

Posted

I'm no God of Load Orders or anything, but if I were to take a guess based on what I've seen from the example load order (here), you might want to move the Lovers with PK.esp a bit lower in your load order. And bashed patch. 

 

Something like this, maybe?

 

 

Oblivion

Lovers with PK

DLCShiveringIsles

Knights

PSE

LoversAdultPlayPlusfo... 

LoversRaperS

LoversRaperSGalgat...

LoversGalgatBeastRa...

LoversJoburg

LSTBravilUnderground

LoversTrueCrime

LoversHooker

LoversBrute

Lovers with PK

LoversBitch

PSELoversBitchPatch

MaleBodyReplacer

Pelham Lost Spires

PSE Hackdirt

PSE PayBandit

Bashed

LoversMB2

LoversIdleAnimsPrioriti...

LoversAnimObjectsPri...

 

 

 

I'm not quite sure. You'd probably be better off just following the guideline than my rough guess, though. 

 

Also, it kind of looks like you're missing some of the animal genital .esps, for example (I'm not using them, so I might be mistaken). You might still be missing a few things.

Posted

If a mod is red, it means you have it active without it's master.

That will obviously not work.

 

If you're missing an animation file, you'll get the "pos not found" error you mentioned. Grab the Daedra Sutra and fill up all the animation slots and that error will go away.

 

There will never, I repeat never be an official mod overhaul because of permissions and the like. If you find an overhaul - and there are plenty - do not come here seeking help.

 

Get Wrye Bash, it will let you see what each mod's masters are, as well as allow you to set up multiple save profiles.

 

Yes, getting a stable install takes patience, reading and perhaps the smallest amount of intelligence to follow install steps. But really, if you don't have those, what would you hope for from a tech support thread?

Posted

LSTBravilUnderground needs Master file LoversSlaveTrade http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/24-lovers-slave-trade-10-english-final/

And MBP

 

All REQUIREMENTS:
· OBSE 20 or higher
· Oblivion.esm
· Shivering Isles.esp
· Lovers with PK v1.4.1-6 rev91 or higher (LAPF)
· LoversSlaveTrade 1.0
· MBP 1.4a and MBP++ v98
· Lovers Creatures 2.0
· Lovers bitch meshes\textures - the esp file is not needed.

 

Or you can use the NO MBP BravilUnderground Version.  http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19842-no-mbp-bravil-underground-v096-final-edition/

You still Need

· OBSE 20 or higher
· Oblivion.esm
· Shivering Isles.esp
· Lovers with PK v1.4.1-6 rev91 or higher (LAPF)
· LoversSlaveTrade 1.0
· Lovers Creatures 2.0
· Lovers bitch meshes\textures - the esp file is not needed.

 

 

And LoversGalgatBeastRape and LoversBitch  and PSE: You need beasts! = LoversCreatures2

Posted

I got the game working, but every sex scene was interrupted by five pop-up "can't find motion for sex pos 105" messages and the gangrape scenes weren't triggering at all. I got the *messages* about them, at first, but they never happened. Also many animations weren't happening. Creatures would just stand in the same place as the PC and vibrate a bit.

 

Must be missing files, right?

Right.

 

Is there a sensible way to actually work out what sequence will work, or do I need a spreadsheet and a full day's trial-and-error?

Yes there is. You "read" the OP of each plugin you download. It clearly lists what is required and what that plugin does. You also look at the lovers tech support sections pinned thread (the one with the "read before posting here") and pay attention to the recommended load order. (hint: reading pinned threads is pretty much required)

 

 

It seems everything requires three other things to come before it, so nothing works without a huge list of background things. Any chance someone's working on a single mod that combines all those background things?

 

Nope. Never going to happen. The answer should be obvious, but in case you or someone else can't grasp it, it removes ALL flexibility for players and modders when you do that. While many mods are no longer getting updates, some still are. Combining everything into one, would require constant updates (every time something else was changed). Hell, just the initial combining would require a fucking year with a team of folks, leaving aside the maintenance. Keep in mind, many lovers mods are created in Japanese and then translated here.

 

As to flexibility, not everyone wants to use "every" mod. Things are set up as modules, want humanoid sex only, you got it. Want to add in creatures, no problem. Want extra quests that involve sex, covered. Want enslavement and humiliation, again, covered. Don't want them, covered as well.

 

No spoon fed combination for folks not willing to take the time to read is worth the work, hassle and loss of flexibility and modularization. This may seem like a harsh response, but after being asked a couple of thousand times for something, it gets freaking old. Especially when a huge amount of folks here have worked our asses off to make Lovers a fuck ton easier to install and troubleshoot.

Posted

Thank you, fejeena and roninvoid. I shall try those further mods and that changed sequence and see how things go.

 

Want to add in creatures? Covered. Want H-cup breasts? Covered. Want J-cup breasts? Covered. Want K-cup breasts? Covered. How about C-cups? Is that an option? I've just given myself another headache re-reading all the ... excuse me. Another what-the self given cranium pain I just gave, reading again-the files all and English-in translating to attempt them, and I still can't see a "do it this way" post that doesn't include "give all your female characters breasts the size of watermelons."

 

For some reason, I can download the "attached files" files but not the "click here to download" files, so I can't try adding more DLC to fix existing DLC anyway.

Posted

Well, after some poking, I've got some of them to work:

 

Oblivion.esm

Lovers with PK.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Knights.esp

Lovers with PK.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

LoversRaperSGalgat.esp

LoversGalgatBeastRape.esp

LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp

Based Path, o.esp

LoversMB2.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

 

*That* sequence works for *those* files, except that the Dremora and Stunted Scamp rapes have very short-lived text lines and a lot of pop-ups about not being able to find position number 3501 or some such huge number. Something I turned off took the extra races with it, so one of my characters is now invisible. :/

Posted

Scamp Sex can not work ! ! !  you don't have Lovers creatures2 installed !  = no creatures sex animations. ( no Scamp Animation 3501 )

 

Also LoversGalgatBeastRape.esp can not work without Lovers creatures2 .

 

All mods containing creatures sex can not work without LoversCreatures2.

install LAPF and the included MB2 esp http://www.loverslab.com/topic/21241-lapf/

then install LoversCreatures2 http://www.loverslab.com/topic/14619-lovers-creatures-20/

 

Then download The Lovers Supplemental Plugin Pack http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/355-lovers-supplemental-plugin-pack/  and install  Lovers Adult Play Plus for SSP and Lovers Voice SSP Plus.

 

Then you can install other Lovers Mods

e.g.

LoversRaperSGalgat.esp

LoversGalgatBeastRape.esp

LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp

 

most Lovers Mods you can see here http://www.loverslab.com/topic/6799-lovers-plugin-index-with-direct-links/  and of course in the download section  http://www.loverslab.com/files/category/5-lovers-with-pk/

 

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short-lived text lines ?

 

you have "Elys Universal Silent Voice"  installed ? http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/16622/

 

You should read my yellow Link below. All about  Tools and things you should install before Lovers and some Lovers tips.

 

 

 

Posted

Thanks again, fejeena. For no obvious reason, the download pages are working again today, so I am getting those files.

 

I'm sure I already got the silent voice thing, but it must have been turned off somewhere when I was trying to make stuff work again.

 

Are the tentacle beasts included for free or are they part of another mod?

 

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Related question: ...\Oblivion\Data\ini\201_Motion

Should that just be ...\Oblivion\ini\201_Motion rather than in the Data directory?

Posted

Tentacle Girl is part of LoversCreature, you only get her with the creature summon spell. They are no spawn creatures you can find in wilderness.

Also Hitode and Mushroom you can only get with the summon spell.

 

 

Hitode and Mushroom are also in my BravilUnderground addon

Tentacle Girl in Crowning Isle Mod

 

gangchong ( not in LoversCreatures) you can find in BravilUnderground addon and LoversGGBlackmail 

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Related question: ...\Oblivion\Data\ini\201_Motion

Should that just be ...\Oblivion\ini\201_Motion rather than in the Data Directory?

 

No the INI Folder is in the data Folder ( like meshes, textures, Sound....Folders )

 

So all Lovers Animation and Mod ini files are in data\INI\

 

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Edit:

If you want gangchongs in game you can use my Rat replacer  http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/276-creatures-replacers-with-dicks/

My Rats.7z

Posted

Thanks again, fejeena.

 

I've moved a whole load of folders from \Oblivion\ to \Oblivion\Data\ and suddenly stuff's working. Summoning those creatures did work. The bear jumped me several times but the others stood still or wandered around until a couple of knights turned up, then fought and repeatedly raped them. The "add gag" and "enslave me" are now working fine ... except that nobody does anything. I just get restricted to walking around with my hands behind my back and can't jump, run, cast or use anything. I guess I'll have to take another look through that mod's thread and readme files.

Posted

Some of the summon creatures are a little bit bugged. They cast a rape spell , but someare  not "aggressive" enough to rape you, some can not cast spells (wrong combat mode ).

I never use the summon spells. I have LoversRaperS ( rape during fights) and LoversJoburg ( horny creatures rape Player and NPCs) and that Mods works with all original game creatures ( all creatures in the original game Folders and the Tentacle,Hitode and Mushroom Folder. (e.g. gangchongs are in the rat Folder so they work )

Mod Creatures in new Folders ( like chicken in chicken Folder or cow in calf Folder)  don't work = no animations.

 

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"add gag" and "enslave me" spell I don't have. Can not help

 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Yesterday's bizarre change: I disabled Joburg and TrueCrime and suddenly I can close Oblivion Gates again.

 

It hasn't stopped horny Dremora Krybabies (or whatever they're called) from raping my PC, either.

Posted

Yesterday's bizarre change: I disabled Joburg and TrueCrime and suddenly I can close Oblivion Gates again.

 

It hasn't stopped horny Dremora Krybabies (or whatever they're called) from raping my PC, either.

I played the whole Oblivion main quest with Joburg and TrueCrimeEX and had never Problems/CTDs with Oblivion gates.

 

? Maybe Joburg ? IpPlay with very low Settings = very few Stalker. So I think in my game were never horny Dremora which have tried to follow me from the Oblivion world in the Tamriel world (And I have destroyed the gate in front of them. :D ) But if I remember correctly ( the script) Stalkers not follow through doors.

 

And TrueCrimeEX have no influence on the gates or any Dremora creatures.

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