CTD on Startup

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

I just got a new computer and freshly installed Skyrim. So I have new versions of every Utility (SKSE, Bash, LOOT, Paprys, FNIS, etc.). Every time it starts up, however, it CTDs as soon as the Bethesda logo is gone. The papyrus log is very small.

[07/17/2015 - 08:21:31PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)

[07/17/2015 - 08:21:31PM] Function GetEffectMagnitudes in the empty state on type Ingredient does not exist. Function will not be flagged as callable from tasklets.

[07/17/2015 - 08:21:31PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)

[07/17/2015 - 08:21:31PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)

Here is the mod load order.

Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
03  Dawnguard.esm
04  Dawnguard - Textures.esm
05  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
06  HearthFires.esm
07  HearthFires - Textures.esm
08  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
09  Dragonborn.esm
0A  Dragonborn - Textures.esm
0B  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.2]
0C  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.59b]
0D  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
0E  CRB.esm
0F  RaceCompatibility.esm  [Version 1.60a]
10  Draenei.esm
11  hdtHighHeel.esm
12  SGHairPackBase.esm
13  FoxPalace_X.esm
14  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.8.3]
15  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.0.0]
16  SexLabAroused.esm
17  Evil Lair of Hydra.esm
18  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
19  Devious Devices - Integration.esm
1A  daymoyl.esm
1B  Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
1C  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
1D  ScocLB.esm
1E  HighResTexturePack01.esp
1F  HighResTexturePack02.esp
20  HighResTexturePack03.esp
21  SkyUI.esp
22  RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp
23  SOSRaceMenu.esp
24  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
25  ELFX - Exteriors.esp
26  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
27  immersive roads.esp
28  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
29  Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
2A  fallentreebridges.esp
2B  NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp
2C  sanguinesDebauchery.esp
2D  SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
2E  SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
2F  RealisticWaterTwo.esp
30  Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
31  Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
32  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
33  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
34  CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
35  TrueStorms.esp
36  TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
37  Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
38  CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
39  CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
3A  CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
3B  CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp
3C  TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-CoT.esp
3D  mintylightningmod.esp
3E  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
3F  ELFXEnhancer.esp
40  HoofArmors.esp
41  SSv2.esp
42  Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
43  Better Vampires.esp
44  VL No AoE Drain.esp
45  RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
46  ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
47  RaceMenu.esp
48  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
49  Brows.esp
4A  LC2013.esp
4B  Dynasty Armor.esp
4C  Witch Of The Wild.esp
4D  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
4E  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
4F  Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
50  SexyVest.esp
51  Female Barbarian.esp
52  SkinTight.esp
53  Strap.esp
54  SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
55  EbonyValkyrie chsbhc.esp
56  NS_Eilhart_Dress.esp
57  NewVampChainsCuirass.esp
58  Dragon Lilly.esp
59  tentacleArmor.esp
5A  BnS White Bird Outfit.esp
5B  Kyna Armor.esp
5C  Seren - Skysims Hair 206 Elsa.esp
5D  DAO Morrigan's Robes.esp
5E  Tempestarmorcbbe.esp
5F  GalliaArmor.esp
60  XXzhuliyaHH.esp
61  XXyongyiHH.esp
62  XXwanhunyiHH.esp
63  XXdongjiliangeHH.esp
64  XXheitianzhaoHH.esp
65  XXXqinglangHH.esp
66  SGHairPackAIO.esp
67  B&SArmorsCollection.esp
68  DD - Interactions.esp
69  SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
6A  SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
6B  SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
6C  AuroraFollower.esp
6D  HentaiCreatures.esp
6E  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
6F  Cloaks.esp
70  UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
71  SexLab Beastess.esp
72  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
73  SMIM-Merged-All.esp
74  JackGaMonsterAddon.esp
75  SFO - Dragonborn.esp
76  Darklilith.esp
77  SuccubusRaceLite.esp
78  Lovergirl Race.esp
79  Lovergirls Follower Pack.esp
7A  Devious Deviants.esp
7B  Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
7C  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
7D  SexLab_Dialogues.esp
7E  FNISspells.esp
7F  Grass_On_Steroids_SFO-SHORT.esp
80  DajiaNingheimFollower.esp
81  Elewin Pumps.esp
82  Elewin Jewelry.esp
83  Mememe harness.esp
84  MeeraFollower.esp
85  Amame_follower.esp
86  AngrimApprentice.esp
87  Sneak Tools.esp
88  MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
89  DanarielStormbow.esp
++  Werewolves.esp
8A  MoreNastyCritters.esp
8B  zzEstrus.esp
8C  EstrusChaurus.esp
8D  SexLab Submit.esp
8E  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
8F  SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
90  Apropos.esp
91  SexLab_Hormones.esp
92  RosaFollower.esp
++  Radiant-SchlongsPatch.esp
93  SexLabDangerousNights2.esp
94  SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
95  SL Deadly Drain.esp
96  SexLab Cumshot.esp  [Version 1.6]
97  Immersive Arousal.esp
98  Resized Creatures for Beastesses.esp
99  SexlabScocLB.esp
9A  FNISSexyMove.esp
9B  DeadlyMutilation.esp
9C  Sabrina.esp
9D  Follower Onean.esp
9E  Miosotis.esp
9F  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
A0  Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
A1  NeoDizzySet.esp
A2  SED7-CBBE3_UNIEDITIONfemaleNipplePiercing_SwordNShield.esp
A3  SED7-CBBE3_SILVEREDITION_femaleLabiaPiercings.esp
A4  SED7-CBBE3_GOLDEDITION_femaleLabiaPiercings.esp
A5  SED7-CBBE3_GOLDEDITION_Barbell.esp
A6  SED7-CBBE3-BM_UNIEDITION_Nipplewand.esp
A7  SED7-CBBE3-BM_SILVEREDITION_NipplePiercing_Rings.esp
A8  SED7-CBBE3-BM_GOLDEDITION_NipplePiercing_Rings.esp
A9  SED7-CBBE3-BM_ALLin1-EDITION.esp
AA  CharmingHighHeels.esp
AB  Bob's Boots CBBE v8.0.esp
AC  Bob's Boots CBBE v8.2.esp
AD  Bob's Boots CBBE v8.3.esp
AE  Neo's Devilmaid2.esp
AF  DF_Dianest.esp
B0  Toccata.esp
B1  Babette.esp
B2  YuiH's Screenshot Models - Freyane.esp
B3  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 9]
B4  female mannequins.esp
B5  female mannequins in homes.esp
B6  JK Crafting Breakdown.esp
B7  JK Crafting Breakdown - Hearthfire.esp
B8  JK Crafting Breakdown - Dawnguard.esp
B9  JK Crafting Breakdown - Dragonborn.esp
BA  Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
BB  Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
BC  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
BD  DragonQueen.esp
BE  Schwertleite Set.esp
BF  AgehaArmorCollection.esp
C0  BTRH_Aranea.esp
C1  BTRH_Brelyna.esp
C2  BTRH_Camilla.esp
C3  BTRH_Elisif.esp
C4  BTRH_Frea.esp
C5  BTRH_Ingjard.esp
C6  BTRH_Iona.esp
C7  BTRH_Jordis.esp
C8  BTRH_Lisette.esp
C9  BTRH_Lydia.esp
CA  BTRH_Mjoll.esp
CB  BTRH_Muiri.esp
CC  BTRH_Serana.esp
CD  BTRH_Sorine.esp
CE  BTRH_Valerica.esp
CF  BTRH_Ysolda.esp
D0  The Ningheim.esp
D1  AlexaDaeresAlt.esp
D2  NGGirls.esp
D3  UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp
D4  UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp
D5  UFO - Dragonborn AddOn.esp
D6  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

Install TESedit

Run it

resolve any problems that prevent it from completion.

Should solve most CTD issues you have.

Can be done for almost any CTD you or others find in the future. First step to help you .

Swissenergy · July 18, 2015

CTD after Beth logo is usually due to a missing master file (.esm). When you run LOOT does it give an errors about missing masters? If you are missing some, it will tell you.

July 18, 2015

CDT at startup means that some dependency is missing in your mods. Rarely that the load order is wrong.

Use TES5Edit (a little bit more complex but valid)

Or Loot (pretty much easy)

or Mod Organizer (that includes Loot features.)

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

CTD after Beth logo is usually due to a missing master file (.esm). When you run LOOT does it give an errors about missing masters? If you are missing some, it will tell you.

The error will look like the above if you use LOOT. Scroll down through the entire list.

a TESedit error will look something like the above. It will stop and prompt you to fix an error and won't allow you to continue. When opening and running it .. just make sure all the mods you want to use is checked off.

I really only have FNV setup with mods currently so I can't show you a Skyirm modded game. It is basically the same. Loot will look the same regardless of the game mods used. and TESedit and FNVedit is the same program except for a .dat filie etc. Same process and same error prompt.

July 18, 2015

This is what you will see in case of missing masters/mod dependencies, if you use Mod organizer:

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

This is what you will see in case of missing masters/mod dependencies, if you use Mod organizer:

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@CPU I believe the OP is using NMM based on the load order he submitted.

@OP.

There is a learning curve but it is mostly agreed upon that Mod Organizer is the mod manager for Skyrim. LIke what CPU shown.. It clearly shows missing masters.

July 18, 2015

This is what you will see in case of missing masters/mod dependencies, if you use Mod organizer:

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@CPU I believe the OP is using NMM based on the load order he submitted.

@OP.

There is a learning curve but it is mostly agreed upon that Mod Organizer is the mod manager for Skyrim. LIke what CPU shown.. It clearly shows missing masters.

Yes, I think he/she is not using a real mod manager. or maybe just NMM.

My screenshot was intentionally created. I just disabled a required master from my development profile to take a significant screenshot.

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

This is what you will see in case of missing masters/mod dependencies, if you use Mod organizer:

Untitled.png

@CPU I believe the OP is using NMM based on the load order he submitted.

@OP.

There is a learning curve but it is mostly agreed upon that Mod Organizer is the mod manager for Skyrim. LIke what CPU shown.. It clearly shows missing masters.

Yes, I think he/she is not using a real mod manager. or maybe just NMM.

My screenshot was intentionally created. I just disabled a required master from my development profile to take a significant screenshot.

I sense a little pot shot to those that use NMM..

I could have done the same thing however I really don't have a modded Skyrim right now and it might have been confusing enough with using FNV for the two examples. However I believe there should be enough of a start to help get this resolved. If it isn't from the tools given.. He has a serious problem with the game itself I would believe.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

Sorry I was AFK for a bit to make dinner. No masters are missing or anything. Bash and LOOT both don't show any missing dependencies. Looking at how to use TESEdit right now.

*Anatriax* · July 18, 2015

Sorry I was AFK for a bit to make dinner. No masters are missing or anything. Bash and LOOT both don't show any missing dependencies. Looking at how to use TESEdit right now.

A missing master is your only solution to a CTD in this location. Either a master is loaded after a mod that requires it, or it's missing completely.

That's the only option.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

Sorry I was AFK for a bit to make dinner. No masters are missing or anything. Bash and LOOT both don't show any missing dependencies. Looking at how to use TESEdit right now.

A missing master is your only solution to a CTD in this location. Either a master is loaded after a mod that requires it, or it's missing completely.

That's the only option.

Is there any way a Master can go unnoticed by LOOt and Bash?

*Anatriax* · July 18, 2015

The only way is if a file requires an asset from another mod, and it isn't labeled as a required master FOR that mod (rarely this happens, but it IS possible)

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

The only way is if a file requires an asset from another mod, and it isn't labeled as a required master FOR that mod (rarely this happens, but it IS possible)

I went through and tried disabling a few mods at a time from the list. Unless I somehow missed it, none of them are missing masters. I'll try again.

*Anatriax* · July 18, 2015

Open TES5Edit. In the first window that pops up, right click > Select All. Click "OK" at the bottom and let it load.

Copy and paste the results of the RIGHT window of TES5Edit in a spoiler as a reply.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

Open TES5Edit. In the first window that pops up, right click > Select All. Click "OK" at the bottom and let it load.

Copy and paste the results of the RIGHT window of TES5Edit in a spoiler as a reply.

So I looked through the loader and I seem to have errors in Tes04, Dynasty Armor, and Babette.

I'm uploading an rtf because it's 146 pages long.

Tesedit Errors.rtf

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

You have a bashed patch. Perhaps there is something wrong with that as well? I don't use bashed patches very much. Perhaps someone could chime in on what to do to help resolve any issues with the bashed patch. It might be trying to reference some asset that is missing now during the start.

Have you tried to start a new game. A brand new game from start.. (cart) .. I had some problems with crashing to desktop based on saves. I believe it had to do with an updated mod (Unofficial Patches)

*Anatriax* · July 18, 2015

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

You have a bashed patch. Perhaps there is something wrong with that as well? I don't use bashed patches very much. Perhaps someone could chime in on what to do to help resolve any issues with the bashed patch. It might be trying to reference some asset that is missing now during the start.

Have you tried to start a new game. A brand new game from start.. (cart) .. I had some problems with crashing to desktop based on saves. I believe it had to do with an updated mod (Unofficial Patches)

Bashed Patches need to be rebuilt every time LOOT/BOSS is ran. They depend HEAVILY on load order, and if it changes it can totally break a patch, which means it needs to be rebuilt.

He's claiming CTD after Bethesda Logo, so he can't even pick :/ It has to be a load order problem.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

One more in Witch of the Wilds. Unfortunately, I love that mod so I'm going to try to reinstall that one.

RitualClarity · July 18, 2015

Open TES5Edit. In the first window that pops up, right click > Select All. Click "OK" at the bottom and let it load.

Copy and paste the results of the RIGHT window of TES5Edit in a spoiler as a reply.

So I looked through the loader and I seem to have errors in Tes04, Dynasty Armor, and Babette.

I'm uploading an rtf because it's 146 pages long.

[00:35] Background Loader: finished

That should mean that you have no problems with masters. TES was able to load up everything. The problem must be something other than master missing or misplaced error.

[00:32] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord BAMT

That might be a serious error. Not familiar with the errors however.. a simple fix is to try unclicking those and the mods (and any dependencies.). And start a new game. Might have seriously screwed up your save. Skyrim is much more delicate than FNV or FO3.

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

One more in Witch of the Wilds. Unfortunately, I love that mod so I'm going to try to reinstall that one.

Doubt that will fix the issue. Errors like that is something that likely is part of the mod. Very badly constructed. If it don't work .. you can try to "clean' the mod if you want to try. In the end you might even have to fix the references if they are truly needed.

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

You have a bashed patch. Perhaps there is something wrong with that as well? I don't use bashed patches very much. Perhaps someone could chime in on what to do to help resolve any issues with the bashed patch. It might be trying to reference some asset that is missing now during the start.

Have you tried to start a new game. A brand new game from start.. (cart) .. I had some problems with crashing to desktop based on saves. I believe it had to do with an updated mod (Unofficial Patches)

Bashed Patches need to be rebuilt every time LOOT/BOSS is ran. They depend HEAVILY on load order, and if it changes it can totally break a patch, which means it needs to be rebuilt.

He's claiming CTD after Bethesda Logo, so he can't even pick :/ It has to be a load order problem.

Thought so about the Bashed patches. However it can be a missing or screwed up record in a mod. A much harder solution to find (reason for my suggestion to use TESedit to begin with ).

I still strongly suggest a fresh start in a new game. Might be some seriously screwed up save as well.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

Open TES5Edit. In the first window that pops up, right click > Select All. Click "OK" at the bottom and let it load.

Copy and paste the results of the RIGHT window of TES5Edit in a spoiler as a reply.

So I looked through the loader and I seem to have errors in Tes04, Dynasty Armor, and Babette.

I'm uploading an rtf because it's 146 pages long.

[00:35] Background Loader: finished

That should mean that you have no problems with masters. TES was able to load up everything. The problem must be something other than master missing or misplaced error.

[00:32] Background Loader: Error: record ARMO contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord BAMT

That might be a serious error. Not familiar with the errors however.. a simple fix is to try unclicking those and the mods (and any dependencies.). And start a new game. Might have seriously screwed up your save. Skyrim is much more delicate than FNV or FO3.

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

One more in Witch of the Wilds. Unfortunately, I love that mod so I'm going to try to reinstall that one.

Doubt that will fix the issue. Errors like that is something that likely is part of the mod. Very badly constructed. If it don't work .. you can try to "clean' the mod if you want to try. In the end you might even have to fix the references if they are truly needed.

There ya go. Those mods are causing problems. Remove them, and see if it loads.

You have a bashed patch. Perhaps there is something wrong with that as well? I don't use bashed patches very much. Perhaps someone could chime in on what to do to help resolve any issues with the bashed patch. It might be trying to reference some asset that is missing now during the start.

Have you tried to start a new game. A brand new game from start.. (cart) .. I had some problems with crashing to desktop based on saves. I believe it had to do with an updated mod (Unofficial Patches)

Bashed Patches need to be rebuilt every time LOOT/BOSS is ran. They depend HEAVILY on load order, and if it changes it can totally break a patch, which means it needs to be rebuilt.

He's claiming CTD after Bethesda Logo, so he can't even pick :/ It has to be a load order problem.

Thought so about the Bashed patches. However it can be a missing or screwed up record in a mod. A much harder solution to find (reason for my suggestion to use TESedit to begin with ).

I still strongly suggest a fresh start in a new game. Might be some seriously screwed up save as well.

I know it worked before though. And I can't even get to the menu. As soon as the bethesda logo at loading ends, the game CTDs.

Cheetor · July 18, 2015

Currently trying to fix up Witch of the Wilds and trying to figure this out.

[00:00] Checking for Errors in [D3] Witch Of The Wild.esp

[00:00] Error: record ARMA contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord MO2S 53324F4D

[00:00] Error: record ARMA contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord MO4S 53344F4D

[00:00] Errors were found in: WOTW_Cloakadd02 [ARMA:D301822F]