Denuvo and ME4

[trpd]

Actually they need DRM because they are untrusted, known for shady , money grabing practices, review machinations, day one on disc dlc and so on.

DRM is anti-consumer , i had the problem where DRM wouldn't let me run the game but on same install if i just used crack i had no issue running it. So it is not like DRM comes without price , im sure it is troublesome for support and does cause returns.

Also if game got pirated x times it doesn't mean with no piracy they would get x more sales. Nope if something comes free why not get it? but many of those DLers arnt even interested in the title let alone if they can afford all the titles they pirated.

 

They should really try to win with added value rather then backfiring copy protection that doesn't work in long run anyway.

 

@ME4 - the grand story is done , not really interested in lesser one. Denuvo - so far we have no solid data on what kind of impact on game performance and SSD life it has , at least i know nothing of it. So it is just distrusted for now . not a reason to avoid game because of it.

[Chaos63]

 

DRM is the only security Dev's and Publishers have against theft, don't like it? slows down your rig? then do something about the theft (piracy) or learn to deal with DRM and such.

 

That's like saying "don't teach people to avoid burns, teach fire not to burn people".

The only way a consumer can help battle piracy is to pay more money than he should, and Fuck that with a capital F.

 

[windpl]

 

Yes that's why Russians have games about 80% cheaper than others, there is no piracy there and therefore they have cheaper games, oh wait... It is other way around! They have rampart piracy and therefore games are cheaper!

 

 

Not completely correct. For example - Bethesda games more expensive then in other regions. Most of other brands - more or less the same, but it never came to 80%. As for piracy, wouldn't tell for all or even biggest part of russian game comunity (which i personaly find as bunch of uncivilized cads who have no idea of respect other gamers and game devs), there still quite large part of people who honestly pay for games.

 

 

Ill drop it here.

https://www.steamprices.com/eu/

 

[Guest endgameaddiction]

 

ME 4 is a marketing leak just like DA:I was, both leaked on reddit, both coming from supposed marketing surveys and without an intact DRM Like DA:I has Denuvo is nothing it would be inert. it only works in conjunction with a DRM. but all it did was take a month to be cracked instead of day one. now that they know how it probably won't take much time at all to crack. DA:I is playable it has it, don't see why ME:4 would be any different. But really if you don't want DRM if you don't want Denuvo then quit pirating the fucking games and software, seems fairly simple to me. Only reason a Dev. even messes with DRM is because their tired of being ripped off by a bunch of lazy dirtbags that have nothing better to do with their time then crack games and the millions of lazy scumbags that download the shit and then bitch if they get a fucking virus, you ask for it if you DL the shit.   

CDProjektRed manages to make a profit with the Witcher series without using a DRM yep poor EA can't make a single game without needing a DRM to keep it from getting Pirated.

 

DRMs are a waste of time as has been proven more then once there is no DRM or DRM addon that the Pirates can't get around given enough time. The Problem is that companies don't trust their consumers so they use DRMs or addons like Denuvo which pisses them off because it has to run through another program like Steam/Origin and you HAVE to keep the game connected to the internet. Denuvo itself is a resource hog combined with Origin having to remain open to play the game compounds that making a noticeable impact on the games performance so is it really a surprise that people would choose a pirated version with better performance over the legit copy with lesser performance?

 

FYI just because I support the no DRM mentality and am against companies using Denuvo doesn't make me a Pirate every game I have from EA the good, the bad, and the never should have been made is bought and payed for with my hard earned cash and because I work to make the money I buy these games with I expect as a consumer to be able to play these games with the best possible performance allowed to me and with the set up like they had with DA:I that was not the case..

 

 

Your comment reminded me of this http://mfi.re/watch/v67iejsse97ie3j/▶_DRM_Doesn't_Pay_-_Ubisoft_Fails_-_YouTube_[360p].mp4

 

 

 

No matter what type of DRM is integrated, it will always get bypassed by hackers. CDProjekt seems to be doing well on their end with the DRM-free route. Other devs should use their example, but their just too boneheaded to accept it. I never had any experience with DRM until I bought Skyrm. First and only DRM and Steam game I will ever support ever again. I knew from the get go and despised DRM and Steam. I took my chances and sure enough I regretted it. It's the price I pay for not going with my instincts, but shit happens. You wanna fight about it? Didn't think so... XD

 

Anyways, it was off topic. sorry bout that. I wanted to just give my two cents.

 

Take care now, bye-bye then

 

 

[Geralt034]

 

 

Yes that's why Russians have games about 80% cheaper than others, there is no piracy there and therefore they have cheaper games, oh wait... It is other way around! They have rampart piracy and therefore games are cheaper!

 

 

Not completely correct. For example - Bethesda games more expensive then in other regions. Most of other brands - more or less the same, but it never came to 80%. As for piracy, wouldn't tell for all or even biggest part of russian game comunity (which i personaly find as bunch of uncivilized cads who have no idea of respect other gamers and game devs), there still quite large part of people who honestly pay for games.

 

 

Ill drop it here.

https://www.steamprices.com/eu/

 

 

 

Point taken. But if you compare not some single, most loud titles, and games price in Origin - you'll find out that difference not that huge. Plus, IMHO of course, price not the main reason of piracy behavior.

 

[windpl]

 

 

 

Yes that's why Russians have games about 80% cheaper than others, there is no piracy there and therefore they have cheaper games, oh wait... It is other way around! They have rampart piracy and therefore games are cheaper!

 

 

Not completely correct. For example - Bethesda games more expensive then in other regions. Most of other brands - more or less the same, but it never came to 80%. As for piracy, wouldn't tell for all or even biggest part of russian game comunity (which i personaly find as bunch of uncivilized cads who have no idea of respect other gamers and game devs), there still quite large part of people who honestly pay for games.

 

 

Ill drop it here.

https://www.steamprices.com/eu/

 

 

 

Point taken. But if you compare not some single, most loud titles, and games price in Origin - you'll find out that difference not that huge. Plus, IMHO of course, price not the main reason of piracy behavior.

 

 

 

Now in DD era it is quiet significant factor, for sure some will always want stuff for free but I'm quiet sure that for most of them convenience matter. I just add to that that piracy significantly drooped in last years but prices raised by 100% (from 30e to 60e)