TQWorld Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Hey all,  I'm getting some really low FPS while playing a heavily modded Skyrim (I believe mine is classified as 'heavy' but maybe not). I'm sometimes dropping down to 11-18fps at times and going nowhere near 30 (depending on the ENB I'm using). In areas not so busy, I will average around 24-27fps. I know there has to be something I could be doing better to get my FPS cranked up but as of now that solution eludes me.  My load order seems to be very stable and I'm confident with the order in which things are placed (could always do better with another set of eyes on it though, right?). I do not have any CTD or infinite loading screens and I encounter no apparent issues in-game with any mods not working or interfering with other mods.  I know that my preferred resolution is going to be a major hit against the FPS, but the crispness of images at 2560x1600 is delicious. I do fear that I'm going to have to release some of that crispy deliciousness to gain back some FPS. I also realize that having 7 followers with me doesn't help. But really, even with all of that. I'm fairly certain that I should be getting a lot more FPS than I currently get. I've seen videos of others running similar mods and they are showing 60-80fps and these were using much older hardware than what we have today which makes me think I'm doing something wrong somewhere in this endeavor.  My rig: AMD 8350 4.0GHz 256GB SSD 16GB DDR3 1866 MSI GeForce GTX 760 4GB (factory OC) PSU 850w Resolution: 2560x1600 My load order: Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm Dragonborn.esm HearthFires.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp ApachiiHair.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHairMales.esm hdtHighHeel.esm RaceCompatibility.esm Falskaar.esm Wyrmstooth.esp Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm GeneralStores.esm TERAArmors.esm SkyMoMod.esm ClimatesOfTamriel.esm vAutosaveManager.esp HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp USKP Patcher for RaceCompatibility.esp ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Open Cities Skyrim.esp OCS + Hearthfire Patch.esp TownsAndCitiesEnhanced.esp betterdawnstar.esp betterinns.esp bettermarkarthexterieur.esp bettermorthal.esp betterwinterhold.esp markarth_plus.esp riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp tavefalkreath.esp taveriften.esp tavesolitude.esp tavevillages.esp tavewindhelm.esp whiterunexenhanced.esp whiteruninenhanced.esp Solstheim Landscape Overhaul.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp SGHailPackAllinOne.esp RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp InnovaEyes.esp SkyUI.esp Facelight.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp Tamriel Reloaded.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Moss Rocks.esp Unique Grasses.esp Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp Grass Field.esp Tamriel Reloaded Mountains.esp CityForestV2_6.esp City Forest and Landscape V2 trees whiterun light fix.esp Tamriel Reloaded Trees.esp Skyrim Bigger Trees Full.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp Better Dynamic Snow.esp SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp WetandCold.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-4.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp CoT-WeatherPatch.esp CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Brighter Dungeons.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Weathers - Brighter Nights.esp Brighter Campfires X15.esp Brighter Candles.esp BrighterTorches.esp SoS - Civilization.esp SoS - The Dungeons.esp SoS - The Wilds.esp My Home Is Your Home.esp Thrall Master 1.0V.esp conjurationmodification.esp SGEyebrows.esp White River Cottage.esp The Warriors Abode.esp Amaterasu - The Great Spirit.esp MODNewfollowersMystic.esp nTr4nc3 - Whiterun Mansion.esp breezehome TNF.esp Elemental Staves.esp TERAArmors_CBBE.esp ADEC_TeraArmorCollection.esp Cloaks.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp UNPB Full Metal Bikini.esp Auto Unequip Ammo.esp SkimpySilverlight.esp Lich King's Armor.esp ADEC_SuccubusArmor.esp Witch Elf Armour.esp Skimpy Plate Armor.esp Witch Of The Wild.esp NewVampChainsCuirass.esp NewVampChainsGloves.esp Warhammer Sorceress Robes.esp NewmillerDarkVampKnight.esp BlackWisteria.esp Schwertleite Set.esp Remodeled Armor.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp R18pn - Shanoa Armors.esp R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp BnS Scorpion Set.esp selobl_DarkLillith.esp R18Pn - Heilige Mutter Armor.esp WezFollower.esp TST_Annerose.esp Convenient Horses.esp Yeriel Follower.esp Inferno Weapons and Armors Set -The Arms of Hell Flame-.esp DMCVampirelordFemalePlayer.esp DMCVampirelordMalePlayer.esp SnowyNightingale.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp lrq_af0001.esp Animated Dragon Wings.esp TeraHEFArmors.esp TeraHFR20.esp TS_RogueOutfits.esp SnakeArmor.esp TBBP_Snake Armor.esp Aradia Lace Dress.esp Unlimited Jewelry For Dawngurad & Dragonborn.esp UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp RealisticHumanoidMovementSpeed.esp cpkinokopose.esp My ENBs are not showing because I use the ENB Manager for better switching out between them.   My SkyrimPrefs.ini [General] fBrightLightColorB=1.0000 fBrightLightColorG=1.0000 fBrightLightColorR=1.0000 iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1 bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0 [Imagespace] bDoDepthOfField=1 iRadialBlurLevel=1 [Display] iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3 fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000 fShadowDistance=4000.0000 iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024 iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048 iShadowSplitCount=2 iMaxAnisotropy=1 fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000 fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000 fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=5000.0000 fGamma=1.4000 fDecalLOD2=1500.0000 fDecalLOD1=1000.0000 fSpecularLODStartFade=1000.0000 fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000 fLightLODStartFade=2500.0000 iTexMipMapMinimum=0 iTexMipMapSkip=0 iWaterMultiSamples=0 iMultiSample=1 iShadowMode=3 bTreesReceiveShadows=1 bDrawLandShadows=1 bShadowsOnGrass=1 bFull Screen=1 iSize H=1600 iSize W=2560 fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000 fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000 fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000 fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000 iScreenShotIndex=2 bShadowMaskZPrepass=0 bMainZPrepass=0 iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=150 iMaxDecalsPerFrame=800 bFloatPointRenderTarget=1 sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760" iAdapter=0 iPresentInterval=1 bFXAAEnabled=0 iShadowMapResolution=2048 fShadowBiasScale=0.2500 iShadowMaskQuarter=4 iShadowFilter=3 bTransparencyMultisampling=0 bDeferredShadows=1 bDrawShadows=1 [Grass] b30GrassVS=0 fGrassStartFadeDistance=5000.0000 fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000 fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000 [MAIN] bGamepadEnable=0 bCrosshairEnabled=1 fHUDOpacity=1.0000 bSaveOnPause=1 bSaveOnTravel=1 bSaveOnWait=1 bSaveOnRest=1 fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000 [GamePlay] bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1 bShowQuestMarkers=1 iDifficulty=2 [Interface] bDialogueSubtitles=0 bGeneralSubtitles=0 fMouseCursorSpeed=1.0000 bShowCompass=1 [Controls] fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000 fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125 bAlwaysRunByDefault=1 bInvertYValues=0 bGamePadRumble=1 bMouseAcceleration=0 bUseKinect=0 [Particles] iMaxDesired=750 [SaveGame] fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000 [AudioMenu] fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000 fVal7=1.0000 uID7=1191387317 fVal6=1.0000 uID6=1191387314 fVal5=1.0000 uID5=1191388696 fVal4=1.0000 uID4=1191387318 fVal3=1.0000 uID3=94881 fVal2=0.4000 uID2=466532 fVal1=1.0000 uID1=554685 fVal0=0.8000 uID0=1007612 [Clouds] fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000 fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000 fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000 fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000 [TerrainManager] fTreeLoadDistance=40000.0000 fBlockMaximumDistance=150000.0000 fBlockLevel1Distance=40000.0000 fBlockLevel0Distance=25000.0000 fSplitDistanceMult=1.1000 bShowLODInEditor=0 [NavMesh] fObstacleAlpha=0.5000 fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000 fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500 fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000 fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500 fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000 fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000 fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500 fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000 fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000 fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000 fEdgeThickness=10.0000 fPointSize=2.5000 [Trees] bRenderSkinnedTrees=1 uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20 [Decals] uMaxDecals=250 bDecals=1 bSkinnedDecals=1 uMaxSkinDecals=50 uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40 [LOD] fLODFadeOutMultObjects=7.5000 fLODFadeOutMultItems=4.5000 fLODFadeOutMultActors=6.0000 fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000 [Launcher] bEnableFileSelection=1 bShowAllResolutions=0 uLastAspectRatio=4 [BlurShaderHDR] bDoHighDynamicRange=1 [BlurShader] bUseBlurShader=0 [Water] iWaterReflectHeight=512 iWaterReflectWidth=512 bUseWaterDisplacements=1 bUseWaterRefractions=1 bUseWaterReflections=1 bUseWaterDepth=1 I typically use Seasons of Skyrim due to it's ease on performance. I sometimes use RealVision's Performance version and that really helps and I will jump to high 30/low 40fps but unfortunately it doesn't have the look that I am wanting for gameplay. The same thing can be said for ICBINE 2 - I can get high 40/low 50 fps but doesn't have the looks I want.  Additional things I've done to assist in performance: ENBoost Sheson's Memory Patch I've not tried overclocking either my CPU or my GPU yet.  Any thoughts,suggestions or recommendations? If I forgot to mention any important tidbits, please let me know and I will provide. Â
Guest Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I can suggest a couple of things:  1.) Make sure any form of vsync is shut off in your ENB or Skyrim.ini files and make sure it is handled exclusively by your card.  2.) Play on your resolution no upscaling that is insane for a heavily modded skyrim.  3.) you can change the amount of grass used with SFO by setting your iMinGrassSize = from 20 to 30/40  4.) Make sure you don't use 4k textures for the love of god lol if you have 2k for things such as mountains try 1k  5.) Your skin texture effects most all npcs you can try downscaling the text on that.  6.) ENB: Try turning off DOF and Ambient Occlusion see the difference and see if you like it.  7.) Unpark cpu if you haven't already.  try some of those if I think of anything else i'll let you know by the way I have a GTX 780 TI, Intel i5 3570k
ettorg Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 ini file: Â fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=10000000.0000fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=10000000.0000 Â i have this: Â fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3072.0000 fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=4096.0000 Â check your ini files Â
yatol Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015  My load order: Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm Dragonborn.esm HearthFires.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp //some things are mess up in your game HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp //optimised textures override by skyrim 2k lite, that's a skyrim that look better for a lower fps cost Tamriel Reloaded.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Moss Rocks.esp Unique Grasses.esp Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp Grass Field.esp //grass have a huge fps cost with some settings (parallax water cost a lot too)  download texture optimiser, but backup your texture folder before using it (compressed body msn look crappy in game) that should reduce the ram load a lot  if most of your followers are custom npc, you are probably wasting a lot of ram for them (if 3 use matures, the game is loading mature texture 3 times, because textures are in their custom npc folder instead of texture\actors\characters\mature)
TQWorld Posted February 9, 2015 Author Posted February 9, 2015 Hi folks,  Thanks a ton for the responses. My vsync is off in my ini's and I am using the hardware for managing vsync. I'm running 1920x1200 at the moment. I turned off AO. CPUS aren't parked. Set grass to 40. Matched the FadeDist as suggested. Ran texture optimiser (thanks for the extra tip on backing up - did that prior to running even tho it appears to have a built-in backup) Yes, all of my followers are custom. Of the suggestions, DoF and my followers are 2 items I am willing to eat fps over.  All in all with everything together...I gained roughly 8fps.  When I disabled my ENB ingame, I gained back a solid 20-30fps immediately but it was pretty ugly, haha. It got as high as 65fps but wow was that an eye sore.  I think my only options left here are:  1. Do without my ENB and stick with default 2. Drop some of my graphics enhancements 3. Leave my followers  or  4. Deal with it as-is.  I think I'll roll with option 4 and disable the ENB briefly as needed....unless anyone has any other suggestions.  I really do appreciate you guys' time on this.  Here's a screenie from the Performance Monitor.   Â
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 DOF honestly takes alot of power to run even on my 780 I get noticeable lag, it looks great but its too much with all the script mods I have going my system can't handle it and it is overclocked.
Aydoo Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 In your ENB settings, turn off these lines  EnableSubSurfaceScattering=false EnableAmbientOcclusion=false EnableReflection=false  EnableSupersampling=false  I find disabling these gives the most FPS back for the least removal of effect.  Optimally with an ENB and a heavy setup on you want to be between 30-45 FPS. Don't expect more.
JRCosta Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Since you use a GeForce, maybe you can give a go to NVidia Inspector. I was having some problems with fps drop in some locations and this program really smooth my game play. Read this guide in the STEP forum, make sure you have the latest drivers installed and run the program once, following carefully the instructions.  Good luck!
TQWorld Posted February 10, 2015 Author Posted February 10, 2015 In your ENB settings, turn off these lines  EnableSubSurfaceScattering=false EnableAmbientOcclusion=false EnableReflection=false  EnableSupersampling=false  I find disabling these gives the most FPS back for the least removal of effect.  Optimally with an ENB and a heavy setup on you want to be between 30-45 FPS. Don't expect more.  This was a tremendous help, thank you. I gained back about 10fps from this change. I did leave one of them because removing it made the characters appear pale.  Since you use a GeForce, maybe you can give a go to NVidia Inspector. I was having some problems with fps drop in some locations and this program really smooth my game play. Read this guide in the STEP forum, make sure you have the latest drivers installed and run the program once, following carefully the instructions.  Good luck!  I followed the tutorial and fortunately/unfortunately I am already in accordance with their guidelines.    My load order: Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm Dragonborn.esm HearthFires.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp //some things are mess up in your game HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp //http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/9080/?tab=2&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fskyrim%2Fajax%2Fmodfiles%2F%3Fid%3D9080&pUp=1 //and download texture optimiser to take care of all textures that aren't compressed (backup the texture folder before that), less texture swapping=more fps Tamriel Reloaded.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp Moss Rocks.esp Unique Grasses.esp Unique Grasses_clippingfixer.esp Grass Field.esp //grass have a huge fps impact with some settings WezFollower.esp TST_Annerose.esp Convenient Horses.esp Yeriel Follower.esp //most custom npc mods are a huge waste of ram //if a use sg, b use ehei, c use sg, d use mature, f use sg //you are probably loading sg textures 3 times (and if they all use the same msn or sk, you are loading 5 times the same files)   I have disabled Grass Field and that helped a lot even inside the cities. I do enjoy having followers so I'll go ahead and asborb the fps hit on those.  The Bethesda Hi-Res DLC Optimized is already installed. I used Mod Manager and it is showing as checked even though it does not appear in the Plugins window. As far as the HighResTexturePacks, are you saying that I should uncheck them? You also stated 'some things are mess up in your game' - can you expand on that more or are you referring to the items you posted afterwards?
yatol Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015   You also stated 'some things are mess up in your game' - can you expand on that more or are you referring to the items you posted afterwards?  dawnguard add things to vampires if there was an error somewhere, it's in the unof skyrim patch and yours remove those things as you load it after dawnguard  dawnguard replace some scripts too, if one need those things to work, it won't work
gvman3670 Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 With custom followers be sure to replace their skeletons if you're using HDT for them. Having the newest skeleton and appropriate body mesh will reduce issues.
TQWorld Posted February 10, 2015 Author Posted February 10, 2015 Thanks for clarifying. Fortunately, I'm running error-free at this point...just wanting to gain back some FPS.
DarkSide744 Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I've tried many ENB presets to find the best one, since they can be real computer killers, even though mine isn't the "worst" (FX-6300 processor, Radeon R9 270X, 12 Gb ram).After a lot of trial and error, I found/made the perfect settings, meaning I gained around 10-15 fps while maintaining the visual quality (it won't last long though because I'm a crazy idiot and still keep installing all the HD texture stuffs ). So my suggestion is that you should experiment with different ENBs, one of them will surely be "the one" for you
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