PSA - Don't use Fallout Character Overhaul or Enclave Bunker Vegas

[plolwat]

The animation bug where everything works except for the two actors that do nothing but standing idles facing/overlapping each other during sex sequences is caused by a bunch of things, but if you know you did everything right on the sexout side, it's probably FCO Master/Glowing or Enclave bunker mods that are messing something up.   I repeated this bug twice and the only difference between a working load and a bugged load has been these two esp/esm's.    

[A.J.]

if you move an ESP that was already "cleaned" of the Knockdown animations (which cause this issue) lower in your Load Order, you should solve it

[t3589]

I wasn't aware that FCO needed cleaning?

[prideslayer]

if you move an ESP that was already "cleaned" of the Knockdown animations (which cause this issue) lower in your Load Order, you should solve it

If this is true, then I can include an ESP that just does that and as long as it's loaded last, it should correct any screwups loaded before it.. Maybe after I've merged in ZAZ and perhaps Slavery, people already complain about # of items in load order.

[jaam]

Your esp won't survive cleaning by FNVEdit

 

[A.J.]

 

if you move an ESP that was already "cleaned" of the Knockdown animations (which cause this issue) lower in your Load Order, you should solve it

If this is true, then I can include an ESP that just does that and as long as it's loaded last, it should correct any screwups loaded before it.. Maybe after I've merged in ZAZ and perhaps Slavery, people already complain about # of items in load order.

 

 

That's what I noticed with Alice before I cleaned it: if it was before Sexout.esm, it was working correctly; if it was lower, its knockdown was blocking Sexout animations. Note that it was ESP with ESM header, that's why I was able to move it before. You had a great idea Prideslayer, I never thought about that

[A.J.]

EDIT: I just tried it, for curiosity.

 

Sexout

...

Dirty ESP

Cleaned ESP

= DOESN'T solve the issue - no animations

 

-Changed the dirty ESP header as ESM-

 

Sexout

Dirty ESM

= No animations

 

Dirty ESM

Sexout

= Animations work

 

So I guess you can only create a dummy ESM which cleans Knockdown and put it as last ESM in the LO. This doesn't solve the ESPs problems but it would solve the ESMs problems (like Enclave Bunker should be ESM if I remember well)

[Guest]

dont have any trouble:

 

 

FalloutNV.esm=1
CaravanPack.esm=1
ClassicPack.esm=1
MercenaryPack.esm=1
TribalPack.esm=1
DeadMoney.esm=1
HonestHearts.esm=1
OldWorldBlues.esm=1
LonesomeRoad.esm=1
GunRunnersArsenal.esm=1
YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm=1
Lings.esm=1
MikotoBeauty.esm=1
Factions Reloaded - Merge.esm=1
ProjectBrazil.esm=1
Momod.esm=1
enclavebunker.esm=1
D.E.I.M.O.S..esm=1
Run the Lucky 38.esm=1
SomeguySeries.esm=1
More Perks.esm=1
More Perks for Companions.esm=1
More Traits.esm=1
More Perks for Dead Money.esm=1
More Perks for Old World Blues.esm=1
More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm=1
CFWNV.esm=1
WMVM.esm=1
The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm=1
domecity.esm=1
RockwellPursuit.esm=1
DesertersFortress.esm=1
FCOMaster.esm=1
New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm=1
Gomorrah Redesigned.esp=1
Sexout.esm=1
SexoutCommonResources.esm=1
SexoutStore.esm=1
SexoutSlavery.esm=0
msexBase.esm=0
NVWillow.esp=1
Project Nevada - Core.esm=1
Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp=1
Project Nevada - Equipment.esm=1
Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp=1
Pip-Phone.esm=1
YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp=1
Project Brazil NV Courier Stash Control.esp=1
Project Brazil NV DLC Control.esp=1
The Mod Configuration Menu.esp=1
Project Nevada - Rebalance Uncapped Max Level.esp=1
Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp=0
Project Nevada - Dead Money (Rebalance).esp=1
Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp=1
Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp=0
Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp=1
Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp=1
Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp=0
Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal (Rebalance).esp=1
Project Brazil Project Nevada Patch.esp=1
Lucky38Suite_Reloaded.esp=1
A Present For Boone.esp=1
outsidebets.esp=1
Pacersgambit.esp=1
SexoutZAZ.esp=1
SexoutCommonResourcesDLC.esp=1
SexoutSexLite.esp=1
SCS - CombatArmour.esp=1
Readius_NV.esp=1
DesertersFotress - Update.esp=1
CFW-DLC.esp=1
WeaponModsExpanded.esp=1
WMX-DLCMerged.esp=1
WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp=1
Project Nevada - WMX.esp=1
EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp=1
WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp=1
Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp=1
CFW-PN-DLC.esp=1
CASM.esp=1
SmallerTalk.esp=1
Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp=1
Vurt's WFO.esp=1
More Perks Update.esp=1
More Perks for Companions Update.esp=1
More Traits Update.esp=1
More Perks for Old World Blues Update.esp=1
More Perks for Dead Money Update.esp=1
More Perks for Honest Hearts Update.esp=1
Type3MClothing.esp=1
Type3MClothing_OWB.esp=1
Type3MClothing_HH.esp=1
LaraCroftArmor.esp=1
AradiaKatoArmor.esp=1
TG Blackwidow t6m.esp=1
Distributed Necklaces and Chains Neck Seam Concealer.esp=1
The Lucky 38 Empire.esp=1
LingsPrettyThings.esp=1
ShilohDS-Desert Succubus CORE.esp=1
MikotoBeauty.esp=1
MojaveDelight.esp=1
SunnyCompanion.esp=1
SaveCass.esp=1
New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp=1
FCO - Mikoto Patch.esp=1
OCD-Cass outfits.esp=1
delilah.esp=1
ARESproject.esp=1
KDC_Companions_Removable_Armors.esp=1
LessIntrusiveKillCam.esp=1
SexoutWillow.esp=1
edemasterupgrade.esp=1
JIP Companions Command & Control.esp=1
GARU.esp=1
Centered 3rd Person Camera - Unraised.esp=1
Easy Unlocking and Easy Hacking and Guaranteed Pick Pocket.esp=1
DoubleVendorMoney.esp=1
NVNovacApartament.esp=1
LonesomeRoadCompanions.esp=1
OldWorldBluesCompanions.esp=1
HonestHeartsCompanions.esp=1
DeadMoneyCompanions.esp=1
Pip-Phone Old World Blues.esp=1
enclavebunker.esp=1
NewVegasBounties.esp=1
NewVegasBountiesII.esp=1
TheInheritance.esp=1
merge patch.esp=1
RaiderChains.esp=0
BunnySuit.esp=0
MantisZeroSuit_ForNV.esp=0
Mantis07Reflex - Realism.esp=0
Mantis07Reflex.esp=0
SexyCorsets.esp=0
epock.esp=0
JuliaChangset.esp=0
Ghost Variants Safe.esp=0
Ghost Variants.esp=0
Ghost Variants Adjutant.esp=0
NVLadyoutfit1.esp=0
NVRefugee Outfits.esp=0
msexFort.esp=0
SexoutPlayerSlave.esp=0
EVE FNV - NO GRA.esp=0
EVE FNV - NO DLC.esp=0
Project Nevada - EVE No DLC.esp=0
Project Nevada - EVE No GRA.esp=0
CFW-PN.esp=0
Cass alternate version.esp=0

 

[prideslayer]

EDIT: I just tried it, for curiosity.

 

Sexout

...

Dirty ESP

Cleaned ESP

= DOESN'T solve the issue - no animations

 

-Changed the dirty ESP header as ESM-

 

Sexout

Dirty ESM

= No animations

 

Dirty ESM

Sexout

= Animations work

 

So I guess you can only create a dummy ESM which cleans Knockdown and put it as last ESM in the LO. This doesn't solve the ESPs problems but it would solve the ESMs problems (like Enclave Bunker should be ESM if I remember well)

 

Well that's not really... sane. You can just put sexout and it's ESMs last, no need for a cleaned/empty ESM. It's the screwy ESPs that are the problem.

 

I'm not going to think about it too much though. I still intend to switch sexout from pickidle to playidle with the actual idle names, eventually, which will completely resolve the problem. The dirty idle anim edits only affect pickidle.

[A.J.]

 

I'm not going to think about it too much though. I still intend to switch sexout from pickidle to playidle with the actual idle names, eventually, which will completely resolve the problem. The dirty idle anim edits only affect pickidle.

 

 

I think it's a bug that could affect other custom branches when they're highed than Loose, so it's not bad cleaning that anyway. Now the interesting part would be understanding why GECK sets as "modified" the Knockdown branch the first time you open the menu. Same happens with the Races menu, whatever race I focus (without modifying anything) will be marked as "modified".

 

But I agree, no need in a cleaned esm when the ESPs are the real problem. Maybe rebuilding a vanilla Knockdown branch (maybe simply copying it from the FONV.ESM to a dummy ESP via xEdit?) on a clean ESP could do the trick. Need to try it one day...

 

@nouseforaname I never checked those two mods and it's strange that they modify animation branches. However, with your current load order, since Sexout is loaded after them, that should solve the problem (if really they are the problem)

[prideslayer]

 

I'm not going to think about it too much though. I still intend to switch sexout from pickidle to playidle with the actual idle names, eventually, which will completely resolve the problem. The dirty idle anim edits only affect pickidle.

 

I think it's a bug that could affect other custom branches when they're highed than Loose, so it's not bad cleaning that anyway. Now the interesting part would be understanding why GECK sets as "modified" the Knockdown branch the first time you open the menu. Same happens with the Races menu, whatever race I focus (without modifying anything) will be marked as "modified".

 

The geck is trying to keep track of the ordering of the groups, and it does that with the ANAM entries in IDLE record. When you add a new one, it modifies it's neighbor for the 'previous sibling' entry. Cleaning the file to work with sexout is just deleting that modification. If you don't, then the sexout anim groups (which also do not have it -- they are clean) are 'pushed' out of the linked list into nowhere.

 

It seems like it's always Knockdown because that's the first (or last?) one in the list, and by default, when you add a new one it adds it right next to Knockdown.

 

The real mystery is.. why is that 'previous sibiling' ANAM there in the first place. It's obviously not needed.

[A.J.]

They say curiosity killed the cat. And I guess if I were a cat, I would have finished all my 9 lives since a long time...

 

I just tried it and it works, I attach the two esps if you want to make a try.

 

Dirty introduces a dummy branch, forcing the value of Knockdown's sibling.

Inside Clean.esp, I edited that value via FNVEdit, instead of deleting it as you usually do, forcing it to Null again just like in the vanilla ESM (see jpg).

 

As result, if Clean is loaded after Dirty on the LO, it "cleans" it.

 

EDIT: about the Sibling thing. Keep in mind I've read it on a russian website with Google translator, so you figure...

I interpreted that the animation system in FONV needs a fallback animation when "Return file" is checked, something like if it can't find the file it will automatically fallback on the Sibling specified in that field. But as I said, take it as it is...

anims.7z

[prideslayer]

This might just be a translation issue with the Russian. When must return file is checked, if the animation doesn't have a file, it's as if that animation failed it's condition check, so it moves on to the next sibling, or back to the parent and then the parents next sibling.

 

In any case, that fallback works even without that ANAM set, and as I said, when I go to playidle this will all go away.

[A.J.]

Really not hard to believe, translation was really messed up so I really can't count on that. But still, are you 100% sure it works without ANAM?

 

I never tested it, but I can tell you this: I create a custom SpecialIdle inside anim menu (I never set that sibling, so I guess that field is automatically empty for my custom ones. Important to say, the kf is not LOOP, it is CLAMP, like for morphs). Then, I don't link it to a file. Now, if I playidle it in game, as consequence usually the animation gets in a busy state, like if the action starts but it doesn't find a file so it can't finish (because CLAMPed animations can't be interrupted in any ways, that's the culprit of this behaviour), it doesn't allow me to invoke anymore animations and it gets stuck until I don't force reset it with that method I told you once, using Playgroup Idle, etc.

That's why I was thinking the purpose of the ANAM was avoiding that whole situation, many vanilla animations are CLAMP and not LOOP and I doubt you can force reset it without using console. Need to make some more tests some day.

 

Anyway, changing subject, if you want take a look at that Clean.esp, if it works properly for the problem of the Knockdown it wouldn't be bad sticking it in some top post in the technical section, for those who don't want to investigate and clean which mod creates the issue. You see problems involving Knockdown are soooo frequent.

[ljacquard]

Could someone please explain to me in "layman" terms how <FCO> conflicts with <Sexout>, and what can be done about it (removing either is not an option to me) ? Moving Sexout masters lower in the order, last among the ESMs ?

 

In my current load order, FCO.esm loads after all the Sexout masters (order provided courtesy of BOSS, more or less). If I check FCO.esm, there isn't any idle anim stuff in there (after years of practice with LAPF/Sexout, I tend to pay attention to that stuff). So I am surprised to be hit by the same bug than in the OP in this thread.

 

Current LO (under test/tweaking still)

 

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00 FalloutNV.esm
01 HonestHearts.esm
02 OldWorldBlues.esm
03 YUP - Base Game.esm
04 YUP - Honest Hearts.esm
05 Ambient Temperature.esm
06 Advanced Recon Tech.esm
07 CoitoErgoSum.esm
08 Detect Traps.esm
09 DWCNV.esm
0A Inventory Access.esm
0B AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm
0C More Perks.esm
0D NVInteriors_Core.esm
0E NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP.esm
0F Project Nevada - Core.esm
10 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
11 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
12 JIP Selective-Fire.esm
13 rePopulated Wasteland.esm
14 SaxxonsQuestPack.esm
15 Sexout.esm
16 SexoutCommonResources.esm
17 SexoutDRTL.esm
18 SexoutSoliciting.esm
19 SexoutSlavery.esm
1A SexoutPregnancyV3.esm
1B SexoutOffSpring.esm
1C Sortomatic.esm
1D The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm
1E VanessaFollowerNV.esm
1F T6M Equipment Replacer NV.esm
20 Weapon Mod Expansion.esm
21 Afterschool Special.esm [Version 2.01]
22 oHUD.esm
23 FCOMaster.esm
24 Niner.esm
25 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
26 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
27 NVWillow.esp
28 AutoSCOF.esp
++ YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game).esp
29 RealSmokes.esp
2A OldWorldBlues - Improved Transportalponder.esp
2B DarNifiedUINV.esp
2C DynamiCamera.esp
2D The Mod Configuration Menu.esp [Version 1.5]
2E The Weapon Mod Menu.esp [Version 1.2]
2F Sink-O-Matic.esp
30 SLADistributedNecklaces.esp
31 Kobu's New Game Quick Start and Better Rebuild.esp [Version 1.1.]
++ Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
32 Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
33 populatedcasino-medium.esp
34 ARESproject.esp
35 delilah.esp
36 MoreNiner.esp
++ Legion - Balanced Lists.esp
++ NCR Rangers - Balanced Lists.esp
37 Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
++ PMT - Destructible Ordnance.esp [Version 1.02]
38 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
39 Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
++ PNxEO MCMScriptFixes.esp
++ Project Nevada - Med-X Fix.esp
++ Improved Sound FX.esp
3A Improved Sound FX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp
++ Improved Sound FX - Project Nevada.esp
++ Boones Spotter Perk Enhanced.esp
++ Detect Traps - Perk.esp
3B Canteen.esp
3C iAssist.esp
3D JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
3E SignatureArmor.esp
3F SignatureWeapons.esp
40 JIP Fast-Travel Anywhere.esp
41 NeotropicsMedicalSystem.esp
42 PahrumpCTDFix.esp
43 Damo Outfits.esp
44 Oven Cooking.esp
45 Advanced Recon Gear.esp
46 Advanced Recon Tech.esp
++ Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp
++ Better Binoculars Medium.esp
47 1Earrings.esp
48 1nivVSLArmors.esp [Version 1.2]
49 1nivPNSLPatch.esp [Version 1.2]
4A Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
4B Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp
4C Holster.esp
4D Powered Power Armor.esp
4E Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp
4F T6M Gambler Female Suit.esp
50 T6M Lingerie NV.esp
51 T6M CH Raider Armor.esp
52 T6M Combat Armor NV.esp
53 T6M Combat Uniform NV.esp
54 T6M Jeans Outfit.esp
55 T6M Under Wear.esp
56 T6M Unique Item.esp
++ T6M Unique Itam PN addon.esp
57 Kaw'sBodyJewelryExpanded.esp
58 FCO - Niner.esp
59 FCO - Willow.esp
++ FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp
++ FCO - SQP.esp
5A FCO - Delilah.esp
++ FCO - Afterschool Special.esp
** Slof's Rex as a Dog.esp
** JT_ChangedDog.esp
++ AWOP NO DLC Conflict Error Fixes.esp
5B CNR_BetaNODLC.esp
5C AWOP - Balance and Cleanup.esp
++ AWOP - Balance and Cleanup - PNRebalanced Health.esp
++ Restored Lootable M Armors.esp
** HigherCompanionLevelCap.esp
++ VeronicaFist.esp
5D Companion Sandbox Mode3.esp [Version 3.1]
5E SmallerTalk.esp
5F SexoutDRTLEx.esp
60 Sexout- CES.esp
61 SexoutAmra.esp
** MiscItemIconsNV.esp
62 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
++ Alternative Blood Spout.esp
63 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
64 Jump Fall Fixer.esp
65 Modified Combat Values v2.esp
66 Perception_And_Vats_Accuracy.esp
67 HZFollowerCheatMenu.esp
68 Quick Trade.esp [Version 1.4]
++ Weapon Mod Expansion.esp
69 Mod Loot - 2. Reasonably Rare (WME).esp
++ WME - AWOP.esp
6A Project Nevada - WME.esp
++ WME - Arenovalis.esp
6B EVE FNV - NO DLC.esp
++ WMEVE - No DLCs.esp
++ Improved Sound FX - WME - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp
6C Project Nevada - EVE No DLC.esp
++ WME - Ironsights.esp
++ dD-Reduced Dismember Force - EVE.esp
++ dD-Smaller Wounds - EVE.esp
++ Patrol Armor Fix.esp
++ Improved Ballistics Effects V2.esp
6D SaveCass.esp
6E sleep_on_back_sexy.esp
6F Animated Sleeping (No DLC).esp
70 Animated Eating and drinking.esp
++ patch - ARMO.esp
71 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

EDIT : NVSE [ v46b2 ] and NVSE extender [ v15 ] confirmed to work fine once in-game.

 

 

EDIT 2 : still investigating under FNVedit and over the forums, may it be an issue with <Coito Ergo Sum> instead ? It has a compatibility patch (which I have used), but it may no longer work at all with the latest version of CES ?

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1206-wip-sexout-coito-ergo-sum

 

If someone could confirm if FCO (for unclear reasons to me at this point) is a potential culprit or not would be very helpful to me.

[MrAlthalus]

l

Could someone please explain to me in "layman" terms how <FCO> conflicts with <Sexout>, and what can be done about it (removing either is not an option to me) ? Moving Sexout masters lower in the order, last among the ESMs ?

 

In my current load order, FCO.esm loads after all the Sexout masters (order provided courtesy of BOSS, more or less). If I check FCO.esm, there isn't any idle anim stuff in there (after years of practice with LAPF/Sexout, I tend to pay attention to that stuff). So I am surprised to be hit by the same bug than in the OP in this thread.

 

Current LO (under test/tweaking still)

 

 

Active Mod Files:

 

 

00 FalloutNV.esm
01 HonestHearts.esm
02 OldWorldBlues.esm
03 YUP - Base Game.esm
04 YUP - Honest Hearts.esm
05 Ambient Temperature.esm
06 Advanced Recon Tech.esm
07 CoitoErgoSum.esm
08 Detect Traps.esm
09 DWCNV.esm
0A Inventory Access.esm
0B AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm
0C More Perks.esm
0D NVInteriors_Core.esm
0E NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP.esm
0F Project Nevada - Core.esm
10 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
11 Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm
12 JIP Selective-Fire.esm
13 rePopulated Wasteland.esm
14 SaxxonsQuestPack.esm
15 Sexout.esm
16 SexoutCommonResources.esm
17 SexoutDRTL.esm
18 SexoutSoliciting.esm
19 SexoutSlavery.esm
1A SexoutPregnancyV3.esm
1B SexoutOffSpring.esm
1C Sortomatic.esm
1D The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm
1E VanessaFollowerNV.esm
1F T6M Equipment Replacer NV.esm
20 Weapon Mod Expansion.esm
21 Afterschool Special.esm [Version 2.01]
22 oHUD.esm
23 FCOMaster.esm
24 Niner.esm
25 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
26 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
27 NVWillow.esp
28 AutoSCOF.esp
++ YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game).esp
29 RealSmokes.esp
2A OldWorldBlues - Improved Transportalponder.esp
2B DarNifiedUINV.esp
2C DynamiCamera.esp
2D The Mod Configuration Menu.esp [Version 1.5]
2E The Weapon Mod Menu.esp [Version 1.2]
2F Sink-O-Matic.esp
30 SLADistributedNecklaces.esp
31 Kobu's New Game Quick Start and Better Rebuild.esp [Version 1.1.]
++ Alsatian NCR Guard Dogs.esp
32 Armor Replacer Child NPC Fix.esp
33 populatedcasino-medium.esp
34 ARESproject.esp
35 delilah.esp
36 MoreNiner.esp
++ Legion - Balanced Lists.esp
++ NCR Rangers - Balanced Lists.esp
37 Laurens_Bathroom_poetry.esp
++ PMT - Destructible Ordnance.esp [Version 1.02]
38 Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp
39 Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp
++ PNxEO MCMScriptFixes.esp
++ Project Nevada - Med-X Fix.esp
++ Improved Sound FX.esp
3A Improved Sound FX - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp
++ Improved Sound FX - Project Nevada.esp
++ Boones Spotter Perk Enhanced.esp
++ Detect Traps - Perk.esp
3B Canteen.esp
3C iAssist.esp
3D JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
3E SignatureArmor.esp
3F SignatureWeapons.esp
40 JIP Fast-Travel Anywhere.esp
41 NeotropicsMedicalSystem.esp
42 PahrumpCTDFix.esp
43 Damo Outfits.esp
44 Oven Cooking.esp
45 Advanced Recon Gear.esp
46 Advanced Recon Tech.esp
++ Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp
++ Better Binoculars Medium.esp
47 1Earrings.esp
48 1nivVSLArmors.esp [Version 1.2]
49 1nivPNSLPatch.esp [Version 1.2]
4A Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
4B Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp
4C Holster.esp
4D Powered Power Armor.esp
4E Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp
4F T6M Gambler Female Suit.esp
50 T6M Lingerie NV.esp
51 T6M CH Raider Armor.esp
52 T6M Combat Armor NV.esp
53 T6M Combat Uniform NV.esp
54 T6M Jeans Outfit.esp
55 T6M Under Wear.esp
56 T6M Unique Item.esp
++ T6M Unique Itam PN addon.esp
57 Kaw'sBodyJewelryExpanded.esp
58 FCO - Niner.esp
59 FCO - Willow.esp
++ FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp
++ FCO - SQP.esp
5A FCO - Delilah.esp
++ FCO - Afterschool Special.esp
** Slof's Rex as a Dog.esp
** JT_ChangedDog.esp
++ AWOP NO DLC Conflict Error Fixes.esp
5B CNR_BetaNODLC.esp
5C AWOP - Balance and Cleanup.esp
++ AWOP - Balance and Cleanup - PNRebalanced Health.esp
++ Restored Lootable M Armors.esp
** HigherCompanionLevelCap.esp
++ VeronicaFist.esp
5D Companion Sandbox Mode3.esp [Version 3.1]
5E SmallerTalk.esp
5F SexoutDRTLEx.esp
60 Sexout- CES.esp
61 SexoutAmra.esp
** MiscItemIconsNV.esp
62 dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
++ Alternative Blood Spout.esp
63 JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
64 Jump Fall Fixer.esp
65 Modified Combat Values v2.esp
66 Perception_And_Vats_Accuracy.esp
67 HZFollowerCheatMenu.esp
68 Quick Trade.esp [Version 1.4]
++ Weapon Mod Expansion.esp
69 Mod Loot - 2. Reasonably Rare (WME).esp
++ WME - AWOP.esp
6A Project Nevada - WME.esp
++ WME - Arenovalis.esp
6B EVE FNV - NO DLC.esp
++ WMEVE - No DLCs.esp
++ Improved Sound FX - WME - Weapon Sharing Fix.esp
6C Project Nevada - EVE No DLC.esp
++ WME - Ironsights.esp
++ dD-Reduced Dismember Force - EVE.esp
++ dD-Smaller Wounds - EVE.esp
++ Patrol Armor Fix.esp
++ Improved Ballistics Effects V2.esp
6D SaveCass.esp
6E sleep_on_back_sexy.esp
6F Animated Sleeping (No DLC).esp
70 Animated Eating and drinking.esp
++ patch - ARMO.esp
71 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT : NVSE [ v46b2 ] and NVSE extender [ v15 ] confirmed to work fine once in-game.

 

 

EDIT 2 : still investigating under FNVedit and over the forums, may it be an issue with <Coito Ergo Sum> instead ? It has a compatibility patch (which I have used), but it may no longer work at all with the latest version of CES ?

 

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/1206-wip-sexout-coito-ergo-sum

 

If someone could confirm if FCO (for unclear reasons to me at this point) is a potential culprit or not would be very helpful to me.

I had the same problem with broken animations/conflicts where they'd stand in the /same/ spot for the duration. (Oh god the horror of the twofaced dickbutt vaginasshole manwoman)  After dismantling everything several times and over several days(uninstalling a 190 mod-list several times... nitpicking over ever overwritten file, since I suck at FNVedit[seriously, NVEC is a lifesaver for both modspace, and making more mods compatible then I'd ever be able to make play nice by myself]) I narrowed it down to between Sexout and For the Enclave. (I already had all of the FCO esms/esps disabled as per Sexout's own instructions) I disabled enclavebunker.esm, enclavebunker.esp; and it worked perfectly. However...no.

 

For the Enclave is too cool an addition to the game for me to be happy without it. (No matter how better Sexout is to Animated Prostitution[Although the pre-sex dialog choices from Innuendo respectively blows both of them outta the water])  Much to my chargin, I found both this site and this thread post-moddeggedon. So on a wing and a prayer I tried

nouseforaname4 's load order he posted (post #8) and it worked. I don't have all the same mods as him but, Moving FCOMaster.esm(=0 on mine, not sure if it'll work when enabled, didn't try yet) directly above sexout.esm and then moving enclavebunker.esm directly above FCOMaster.esm. Then I dropped enclavebunker.esp to last in my load order just above my patches/weapon mods. (the most important part being having it below all of the Sexout.esps)

 

Successfully tested with PC and Sunny Smiles in the Goodsprings Salon. The reward being a wonderfully rendered titjob.

 

Nouseforaname4's posted Loadorder

 

 

Please Rep Nouseforaname4's post if this part is helpful to you

 

 

 

Nouseforaname4's Load order

FalloutNV.esm=1

CaravanPack.esm=1

ClassicPack.esm=1

MercenaryPack.esm=1

TribalPack.esm=1

DeadMoney.esm=1

HonestHearts.esm=1

OldWorldBlues.esm=1

LonesomeRoad.esm=1

GunRunnersArsenal.esm=1

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm=1

Lings.esm=1

MikotoBeauty.esm=1

Factions Reloaded - Merge.esm=1

ProjectBrazil.esm=1

Momod.esm=1

enclavebunker.esm=1

D.E.I.M.O.S..esm=1

Run the Lucky 38.esm=1

SomeguySeries.esm=1

More Perks.esm=1

More Perks for Companions.esm=1

More Traits.esm=1

More Perks for Dead Money.esm=1

More Perks for Old World Blues.esm=1

More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm=1

CFWNV.esm=1

WMVM.esm=1

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm=1

domecity.esm=1

RockwellPursuit.esm=1

DesertersFortress.esm=1

FCOMaster.esm=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm=1

Gomorrah Redesigned.esp=1

Sexout.esm=1

SexoutCommonResources.esm=1

SexoutStore.esm=1

SexoutSlavery.esm=0

msexBase.esm=0

NVWillow.esp=1

Project Nevada - Core.esm=1

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp=1

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp=1

Pip-Phone.esm=1

YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp=1

Project Brazil NV Courier Stash Control.esp=1

Project Brazil NV DLC Control.esp=1

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance Uncapped Max Level.esp=1

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp=0

Project Nevada - Dead Money (Rebalance).esp=1

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp=1

Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp=0

Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp=1

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp=1

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp=0

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal (Rebalance).esp=1

Project Brazil Project Nevada Patch.esp=1

Lucky38Suite_Reloaded.esp=1

A Present For Boone.esp=1

outsidebets.esp=1

Pacersgambit.esp=1

SexoutZAZ.esp=1

SexoutCommonResourcesDLC.esp=1

SexoutSexLite.esp=1

SCS - CombatArmour.esp=1

Readius_NV.esp=1

DesertersFotress - Update.esp=1

CFW-DLC.esp=1

WeaponModsExpanded.esp=1

WMX-DLCMerged.esp=1

WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp=1

Project Nevada - WMX.esp=1

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp=1

WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp=1

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp=1

CFW-PN-DLC.esp=1

CASM.esp=1

SmallerTalk.esp=1

Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp=1

Vurt's WFO.esp=1

More Perks Update.esp=1

More Perks for Companions Update.esp=1

More Traits Update.esp=1

More Perks for Old World Blues Update.esp=1

More Perks for Dead Money Update.esp=1

More Perks for Honest Hearts Update.esp=1

Type3MClothing.esp=1

Type3MClothing_OWB.esp=1

Type3MClothing_HH.esp=1

LaraCroftArmor.esp=1

AradiaKatoArmor.esp=1

TG Blackwidow t6m.esp=1

Distributed Necklaces and Chains Neck Seam Concealer.esp=1

The Lucky 38 Empire.esp=1

LingsPrettyThings.esp=1

ShilohDS-Desert Succubus CORE.esp=1

MikotoBeauty.esp=1

MojaveDelight.esp=1

SunnyCompanion.esp=1

SaveCass.esp=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp=1

FCO - Mikoto Patch.esp=1

OCD-Cass outfits.esp=1

delilah.esp=1

ARESproject.esp=1

KDC_Companions_Removable_Armors.esp=1

LessIntrusiveKillCam.esp=1

SexoutWillow.esp=1

edemasterupgrade.esp=1

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp=1

GARU.esp=1

Centered 3rd Person Camera - Unraised.esp=1

Easy Unlocking and Easy Hacking and Guaranteed Pick Pocket.esp=1

DoubleVendorMoney.esp=1

NVNovacApartament.esp=1

LonesomeRoadCompanions.esp=1

OldWorldBluesCompanions.esp=1

HonestHeartsCompanions.esp=1

DeadMoneyCompanions.esp=1

Pip-Phone Old World Blues.esp=1

enclavebunker.esp=1

NewVegasBounties.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesII.esp=1

TheInheritance.esp=1

merge patch.esp=1

RaiderChains.esp=0

BunnySuit.esp=0

MantisZeroSuit_ForNV.esp=0

Mantis07Reflex - Realism.esp=0

Mantis07Reflex.esp=0

SexyCorsets.esp=0

epock.esp=0

JuliaChangset.esp=0

Ghost Variants Safe.esp=0

Ghost Variants.esp=0

Ghost Variants Adjutant.esp=0

NVLadyoutfit1.esp=0

NVRefugee Outfits.esp=0

msexFort.esp=0

SexoutPlayerSlave.esp=0

EVE FNV - NO GRA.esp=0

EVE FNV - NO DLC.esp=0

Project Nevada - EVE No DLC.esp=0

Project Nevada - EVE No GRA.esp=0

CFW-PN.esp=0

Cass alternate version.esp=0

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure there might already be mod or a patch that makes it so, but I wish the "post-orgasm ragdoll" animation was able to be turned on/off. I mean... the sex isn't /thattttt/ vigorous, (but maybe its there as workaround of a system that makes it unavoidable? Haven't delved any deeper into the fallout code than I've absolutely had to, my offical knowledge of code/scripts begins and ends at being fluent in Java programming and lol'ing at Scratch).

[ljacquard]

Well, I can say this :

 

1/ I managed to fix the issue I had with Sexout by restoring an old archive with Amra animations (forgot to post about it here). Since the latest SexoutNG already contains all of Amra's updated animations, I managed to pinpoint the culprit down to... the missing Sexout bodysuit. I do not use Breeze's bodies anymore (prefer Roberts), do not want to use BSAs that replace stock resources (may lead to crashes in Oblivion, not sure about FNV, but better safe than sorry), so I had discarded the Breeze BSA that came with Sexout altogether. Entirely my fault! *hangs head in shame*

 

2/ I can vouch with 99,99% money-back guarantee that FCO does not conflict in any manner whatsoever with Sexout. In fact, I'd heartidely recommend it as one of the better mods for FNV (and definitely the best NPC replacer). One can even keep the load order that BOSS recommends, I do without issues so far.

 

 

PS : I also got very good feedback about "For the enclave [ v3.04 ]-39531.7z". I've finished/stabilized my load order for this game, but will definitely consider it for my next playthrough. Thanks for sharing your piece of mind about it, I'm sure it will prove useful to me.

[prideslayer]

Well, I can say this :

 

Since the latest SexoutNG already contains all of Amra's updated animations

Sexout does not contain any of Amra's animations, nevermind the latest ones.

 

do not want to use BSAs that replace stock resources (may lead to crashes in Oblivion, not sure about FNV, but better safe than sorry)

No, it's better to follow the instructions. FONV is not OBV. A great many things are different. Making assumptions about how things work in FONV based on OBV has lead to a great deal of anguish from modders and players alike.

[ljacquard]

 

Sexout does not contain any of Amra's animations, nevermind the latest ones.

 

My bad, but I really thought that the animations in <.\meshes\characters\_male\idleanims\SexoutNG\givers\ + takers\> would be Amra's.

Whose animations are they then ?

 

No, it's better to follow the instructions.

 

I agree it's crucial to read them. It's by going back to the instructions that I managed to fix my problem.

 

FONV is not OBV. A great many things are different.

 

What fundamental differences do you see (EDIT : for the end-user/modder like me) between modding Oblivion and modding FNV, graphical engine aside ? I seem to be successfully using the same techniques and almost the same tools (Wrye, BOSS, xEdit, Ordenator, ENB, heap optimizers, etc.) than for Oblivion.

 

I would be genuinely be interested, as I have a hard time collecting data about that. For example, I was wondering what kind of FNV meshes pyFFI could work with, for example.

 

Making assumptions about how things work in FONV based on OBV has lead to a great deal of anguish from modders and players alike.

 

Well, I might be over-cautious, but wouldn't recommend keeping the same file in two different BSAs with the same timestamp, even for FNV :

 

Timestamp - Name of the BSA - Name of the file inside the BSA

 

2006/01/01 - <Fallout - Meshes.bsa> - \meshes\characters\_male\femaleupperbody.nif

2006/01/01 - <Sexout - T6M.bsa> -  \meshes\characters\_male\femaleupperbody.nif

 

This is the setup all the Wrye Flash users like me have, by the way, because the tool automatically redates all the BSAs to 2006/01/01. The feature can be disabled in <bash.ini>, but I think very few users do, or even know about that file.

 

On Oblivion, the above is known to generate CTDs. In FNV, it might not crash, but how would the engine know which one it needs to load ?

 

I do not know how other mod managers handle BSAs, but if you don't manage their timestamps, I would think you risk other issues in-game, assets failing to properly overriding each other being one.

[prideslayer]

Whose animations are they then ?

Various people. There are credits for those that are known (people who contributed after I took over sexout) in the download thread changelog spoiler.

 

What fundamental differences do you see

I can't give an exhaustive list. Archive Invalidation (and the BSA handling) is one of the bigger ones. You never have to toggle it off and on in FONV -- once it's on, it's on for good unless you disable it. Another is that in FONV, you don't need some 'fake' ESP to cause assets from the BSA for your ESM to be loaded.

 

GECK wiki pages that have copied material from the CK wiki must be taken with a grain of salt if they say something can't be done or doesn't work, as many bugs were fixed in the engine.

 

I can't help with the python stuff.

 

On Oblivion, the above is known to generate CTDs. In FNV, it might not crash, but how would the engine know which one it needs to load ?

That will not CTD in FONV. In FONV an asset is only ever searched for and loaded once. The overall engine search order is:

 

1. Use the asset if I already have it in memory, from anywhere.

2. Search loose files for the asset (if AI is on, as it always should be).

3. Search the BSAs, ordered by timestamp (not just datestamp -- you didn't include file times in your list).

 

The plugin name is also relevant to loading from a BSA if the engine gets to step 3. I believe the engine only searches the BSAs that are listed in the INI file and those with a prefix matching the plugin name that triggered the search.

 

For example renaming "Sexout - Breezes.bsa" to "Breezes.bsa" will cause it to always be skipped until a Breezes.esp/esm is present in the load order. Also assets referenced in Sexout.esm will only trigger searches in BSAs that are listed in the INI file or whos names start with "Sexout".

 

I'm a bit fuzzy on this filename part, but I think that this is what I remember from when I was creating the BSAs a year or two ago.

 

I do not know how other mod managers handle BSAs, but if you don't manage their timestamps, I would think you risk other issues in-game, assets failing to properly overriding each other being one.

I don't believe they manage the timestamps because the user-created BSAs always have a newer timestamp than the vanilla ones. It's something I'll put on the todo list for FOMM though, since I'm maintaining that as well.

[ghostshooter]

For the Enclave is too cool an addition to the game for me to be happy without it. (No matter how better Sexout is to Animated Prostitution[Although the pre-sex dialog choices from Innuendo respectively blows both of them outta the water])  Much to my chargin, I found both this site and this thread post-moddeggedon. So on a wing and a prayer I tried

nouseforaname4 's load order he posted (post #8) and it worked. I don't have all the same mods as him but, Moving FCOMaster.esm(=0 on mine, not sure if it'll work when enabled, didn't try yet) directly above sexout.esm and then moving enclavebunker.esm directly above FCOMaster.esm. Then I dropped enclavebunker.esp to last in my load order just above my patches/weapon mods. (the most important part being having it below all of the Sexout.esps)

 

Successfully tested with PC and Sunny Smiles in the Goodsprings Salon. The reward being a wonderfully rendered titjob.

 

Nouseforaname4's posted Loadorder

 

 

Please Rep Nouseforaname4's post if this part is helpful to you

 

 

 

Nouseforaname4's Load order

FalloutNV.esm=1

CaravanPack.esm=1

ClassicPack.esm=1

MercenaryPack.esm=1

TribalPack.esm=1

DeadMoney.esm=1

HonestHearts.esm=1

OldWorldBlues.esm=1

LonesomeRoad.esm=1

GunRunnersArsenal.esm=1

YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm=1

Lings.esm=1

MikotoBeauty.esm=1

Factions Reloaded - Merge.esm=1

ProjectBrazil.esm=1

Momod.esm=1

enclavebunker.esm=1

D.E.I.M.O.S..esm=1

Run the Lucky 38.esm=1

SomeguySeries.esm=1

More Perks.esm=1

More Perks for Companions.esm=1

More Traits.esm=1

More Perks for Dead Money.esm=1

More Perks for Old World Blues.esm=1

More Perks for Honest Hearts.esm=1

CFWNV.esm=1

WMVM.esm=1

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm=1

domecity.esm=1

RockwellPursuit.esm=1

DesertersFortress.esm=1

FCOMaster.esm=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esm=1

Gomorrah Redesigned.esp=1

Sexout.esm=1

SexoutCommonResources.esm=1

SexoutStore.esm=1

SexoutSlavery.esm=0

msexBase.esm=0

NVWillow.esp=1

Project Nevada - Core.esm=1

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp=1

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp=1

Pip-Phone.esm=1

YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp=1

Project Brazil NV Courier Stash Control.esp=1

Project Brazil NV DLC Control.esp=1

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp=1

Project Nevada - Rebalance Uncapped Max Level.esp=1

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp=0

Project Nevada - Dead Money (Rebalance).esp=1

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp=1

Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp=0

Project Nevada - Old World Blues.esp=1

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp=1

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp=0

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal (Rebalance).esp=1

Project Brazil Project Nevada Patch.esp=1

Lucky38Suite_Reloaded.esp=1

A Present For Boone.esp=1

outsidebets.esp=1

Pacersgambit.esp=1

SexoutZAZ.esp=1

SexoutCommonResourcesDLC.esp=1

SexoutSexLite.esp=1

SCS - CombatArmour.esp=1

Readius_NV.esp=1

DesertersFotress - Update.esp=1

CFW-DLC.esp=1

WeaponModsExpanded.esp=1

WMX-DLCMerged.esp=1

WMX-ArenovalisTextures.esp=1

Project Nevada - WMX.esp=1

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp=1

WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp=1

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp=1

CFW-PN-DLC.esp=1

CASM.esp=1

SmallerTalk.esp=1

Monster Mod Wasteland Edition.esp=1

Vurt's WFO.esp=1

More Perks Update.esp=1

More Perks for Companions Update.esp=1

More Traits Update.esp=1

More Perks for Old World Blues Update.esp=1

More Perks for Dead Money Update.esp=1

More Perks for Honest Hearts Update.esp=1

Type3MClothing.esp=1

Type3MClothing_OWB.esp=1

Type3MClothing_HH.esp=1

LaraCroftArmor.esp=1

AradiaKatoArmor.esp=1

TG Blackwidow t6m.esp=1

Distributed Necklaces and Chains Neck Seam Concealer.esp=1

The Lucky 38 Empire.esp=1

LingsPrettyThings.esp=1

ShilohDS-Desert Succubus CORE.esp=1

MikotoBeauty.esp=1

MojaveDelight.esp=1

SunnyCompanion.esp=1

SaveCass.esp=1

New Vegas Redesigned 3.esp=1

FCO - Mikoto Patch.esp=1

OCD-Cass outfits.esp=1

delilah.esp=1

ARESproject.esp=1

KDC_Companions_Removable_Armors.esp=1

LessIntrusiveKillCam.esp=1

SexoutWillow.esp=1

edemasterupgrade.esp=1

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp=1

GARU.esp=1

Centered 3rd Person Camera - Unraised.esp=1

Easy Unlocking and Easy Hacking and Guaranteed Pick Pocket.esp=1

DoubleVendorMoney.esp=1

NVNovacApartament.esp=1

LonesomeRoadCompanions.esp=1

OldWorldBluesCompanions.esp=1

HonestHeartsCompanions.esp=1

DeadMoneyCompanions.esp=1

Pip-Phone Old World Blues.esp=1

enclavebunker.esp=1

NewVegasBounties.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesII.esp=1

TheInheritance.esp=1

merge patch.esp=1

RaiderChains.esp=0

BunnySuit.esp=0

MantisZeroSuit_ForNV.esp=0

Mantis07Reflex - Realism.esp=0

Mantis07Reflex.esp=0

SexyCorsets.esp=0

epock.esp=0

JuliaChangset.esp=0

Ghost Variants Safe.esp=0

Ghost Variants.esp=0

Ghost Variants Adjutant.esp=0

NVLadyoutfit1.esp=0

NVRefugee Outfits.esp=0

msexFort.esp=0

SexoutPlayerSlave.esp=0

EVE FNV - NO GRA.esp=0

EVE FNV - NO DLC.esp=0

Project Nevada - EVE No DLC.esp=0

Project Nevada - EVE No GRA.esp=0

CFW-PN.esp=0

Cass alternate version.esp=0

 

 

 

 

 

 

This worked for me as well.