Help me win a bet with a friend, "which character is more attractive?"

[natmaster2000]

So, I recently got my friend into Skyrim, now he is just playing through his first run-through so he hasn't downloaded any mods ( however he has a strange fascination with the dev console ) so everything is still vanilla. Now, he created his character a female Nord who he created to fit his....tastes and was quite proud of his final product. Now I have had since the release of Skyrim to create my Dragonborn to the best of my ability with mods and very visibly have an unfair advantage. Now he made a very....very...bold statement that his character is miles better than mine. We even got a third friend to create his own character who he then admitted looked much better than his but still says that mine was grotesquely unattractive. Now I created a comparison chart, and even after he still would not accept that even though my Dragonborn may not be the best looking it's still far better than his. This is where you come in, please help us settle a bet, the top right redhead is the third friend's, the bottom right being his.

[Alpia]

Well, thats allways a matter of taste I would chose the upper right the skin color looks better and the face especially the nose is smoother compared to the lower right.

The lower right has a too light skin and I don't like the big lips, the nose is to angular and the eyes are to wide open (to big?).

 

I repeat such a bet is allways pointless your character represents what you consider as attractive some people might share some tastes some might not.

 

Your character with mods is obviously out of his league vanilla skyrim for me personal is like a +40 party (only "old" people)

You could have a lazy eye and syphilis and I would still chose your character, but you just can't compare it.

 

Btw besides your little "contest" she looks really pretty her mouth and nose makes her look cute. I personally don't like the hairstyle the hairstyle itself is nice, but I allways chose a diffrent because this style makes the forehead kinda looking high.

[CeeTeeDee]

forgive me for asking this but are you a virgin?

[XJ347]

Well, this isn't fair. No vanilla character can match a modded one!

 

Also personal taste varies, there is no best.... I don't like any of them.

 

Your has a super small chin, even that live photo has an ugly chick in it! I also don't like the nose. The lips could use some color, even if you wear lipstick, their should be a little more color IMO. You went with no make up, which makes it feel a little bland, I would of added a little blush. Overall, I just don't think its good personally, but i am very picky.

 

Your friends using vanilla assets, so he can't do much. Ugly hair, lips are a little too full, cheekbones extend out to far (this isn't Maleficent), the jaw is a little manly. Saying that I think the nose and chin work well for the face.

 

 

forgive me for asking this but are you a virgin?

Please don't insult people. This isn't the nexus. If you think this is a troll then report it, else ignore it. 

[CeeTeeDee]

Well, this isn't fair. No vanilla character can match a modded one!

 

Also personal taste varies, there is no best.... I don't like any of them.

 

Your has a super small chin, even that live photo has an ugly chick in it! I also don't like the nose. The lips could use some color, even if you wear lipstick, their should be a little more color IMO. You went with no make up, which makes it feel a little bland, I would of added a little blush. Overall, I just don't think its good personally, but i am very picky.

 

Your friends using vanilla assets, so he can't do much. Ugly hair, lips are a little too full, cheekbones extend out to far (this isn't Maleficent), the jaw is a little manly. Saying that I think the nose and chin work well for the face.

 

 

forgive me for asking this but are you a virgin?

Please don't insult people. This isn't the nexus. If you think this is a troll then report it, else ignore it. 

 

I haven't ever met a person who would be insulted by the word 'virgin', a virgin implies sincerity, innocence and open-heartedness.

 

but on this forum where futa-sex and beastial animations are common place... maybe it is one

 

anyway, none of the images are attractive, not even the 'attractive' girl on the right because they're images... not real people.

[...0...]

You can't argue about taste PERIOD.

 

Some like slim/thin, some like fat, some like short, some like tal, some like bold, some like hairy or black/white/yellow you just can't argue taste or preference. Do i have to go on?

 

Concerning pictures you shown here, left picture is ugly, middle picture is even more ugly and right is ok, but nothing special i don't realy like blondes hehe.

 

[RunicGray]

Ah, the dangers of posting in a forum to validate your certainty...

 

As others have said, it's really down to personal taste. My vote goes for your third friend's (but even then, not really a fan of that look). While your character has the advantage of modded textures, hair, etc, it's just not to my taste.

[Guest]

Wow, tough crowd.

You just can't account for individual tastes this way, especially here where they run the full range. But seeing as you've put yourself at our mercy I'm going to be brutally honest.

 

I find your character's face really quite bland, attractive but in a generic pretty video game face sort of way. It's probably not what you want to hear but I like the top right character the most of these, because she has a more interesting face. 

 

The girl you've used as a RL example is definitely pretty, but generic, modeling agencies probably have hundreds of these healthy young Californian style babes on their books.

 

The 'Populated' series of mods has some really good examples of NPCs with interesting and memorable faces, whoever did them clearly wanted their NPCs to have some immediate physical personality to counter their lack of dialogue and interaction.

[nutluck]

As others have said it is a matter of taste and hard to fairly compare them. I mean sure your picture has better hair and far better skin and less blocky features due to mods.

 

But if we just look at mouth size and placement, same with nose, eyes etc and just look at the face and not count the texture difference, then I think your friends is better. But again it is a matter of taste.

 

A example a friend of mine considers Selma Hayek to be the pretty girl he has ever seen when she was in her prime. Me I like Kate Beckinsale, it just comes down to a matter of personally taste. Another friend of ours rates women on the size of their boobs and butts with a skinny waist. The bigger the better in his mind.

[ZXZXZX]

Loverslab is a very interesting place to be, as I really trust most here are very honest about what they like. And the variance is huge.

 

I see pictues of women I find not at all attractive, yet they are complimented as very hot. I trust many of those compliments to be true.

 

For example, I think the upper right character to be the best in the set (disregarding the real girl). 

 

Yeah, I think I don't vote with the majority, here.

[Taskmaster]

Loverslab is a very interesting place to be, as I really trust most here are very honest about what they like. And the variance is huge.

 

I see pictues of women I find not at all attractive, yet they are complimented as very hot. I trust many of those compliments to be true.

 

For example, I think the upper right character to be the best in the set (disregarding the real girl). 

 

Yeah, I think I don't vote with the majority, here.

 

I'm going to agree.

 

I much prefer your friend's, especially the top-right one. Your character just looks more generic.

 

What others find attractive on the forum here though, runs the gamut, as it should naturally.

 

Your Skyrim, though, is likely far superior, so I kept that in mind and wasn't gonna get it twisted. His looks largely vanilla, even down to the textures and hair. A better Skyrim has a giant impact on image quality itself due to resolution, as well as ENBs that soften the light better because it fixes shadows.

 

A good comparison would've been if either one of you used the exact same lighting and resolution as the other - better if your character was in his resolution/quality against the same unflattering light. Then the comparison, while still being subjective, would at least have less bias.

 

When I chose, I imagined what each would look like under the same conditions; there was obviously guess work.

[Guest]

Yeah, even a half decent ENB has a very big impact on how characters look. You can throw any number of mods at a face, spend hours fiddling with sliders and the horrible vanilla shaders and lighting will still let you down. 

 

 

[Derpakiin]

The thin lips on the left images and the distance they have from the nose (Philtrum) is a bit jarring for me. This will sound unintentionally insulting, so I will apologize in advance, but it reminds me of an ape's features:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you should try adding fuller lips and pushing the mouth a bit higher up.

[Redflyingmonkey]

You want our individual opinions so here's mine, it's just what I think about your pictures myself okay ?

So here, I think it's near impossible for a non modded character to bear a modded one as was said before, Bethesda's texture work is okay when you care more about the game itself than making your character the most attractive possible to your tastes. BUT thanks to you I've just realized there are exceptions to this rule, as I find the unmodded character your friend made waaaaaaay better looking than your own. 

Morale of the story, if you want to promote modding to your friend and are using your character as an example of "what he could do with mods", well I'm personally not surprised that he wasn't impressed by it. (I kinda agree on the grotesquely unattractive part). To each his tastes though, but you did ask about our opinions so don't start complaining if they burn huh 

[BlackArk]

Uhh, Is this a battle between vanilla(right) vs Modded(Left)? or vanilla top and bottom? Which one is yours?

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder soo. Do what eva you want. Maybe he likes women with strong facial features?

[zzz72w3r]

Beauty is subjective, in the eyes of beholder yada yada...  Now that I got the disclaimers out of the way here is my opinion as a critic, which means I cannot make a decent 3D face myself:

 

None of the constructed faces can be considered beautiful.  However, your friends' faces are better constructed hence more "appealing".  Yours might have a lot of polish applied to it thanks to the mods but it is bland and the proportions are off.  Basically what I am saying is that you were given a lot of tools that you did not take advantage of and created something that just did not look good.  Your friends on the other hand played with a basic set of tools but the limited scope might have helped them in creating something that just looked "right". 

 

[Guest]

The thin lips on the left images and the distance they have from the nose (Philtrum) is a bit jarring for me. This will sound unintentionally insulting, so I will apologize in advance, but it reminds me of an ape's features:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you should try adding fuller lips and pushing the mouth a bit higher up.

 

Oh god, can't unsee now.

 

[Epic Gamer Frey]

I personally thing the "best" sliders are...

Nose- 1

nose height- 7

nose length- 6

Jaw width- 12

jaw height- 11

jaw forward- 10

cheekbone width- 12

cheekbone height- 13

Eye )- 3

eye height- 8

eye width- 6

eye depth- 6

brow- 0, 6 or 8

brow height- 3-5

brow width- 0-3

brow forward- 10

Mouth- 12

mouth height- 8

mouth forward- 11

chin width- 12

chin height- 7

chin forward- 8-10

 

All sliders start at 0 so nose 1 is actually the 2nd nose., eye 3 is the 4 eyes, ect...

[RightTrigger]

As with all the others, taste varies. Maybe the guy likes vanilla-looking characters, who knows? Looking around this forum, you'll find that a lot of the members here have very different tastes. Some like their women with smaller breasts, some like them impossibly large (guilty). Women who are all natural and lore friendly to women who wouldn't fit in all, walking around with a giant phallus between their legs (guilty again). Point is, even in this diverse community we, mostly, respect each other's tastes and leave it at that.

 

All that neutral, no side-taking mumbo jumbo out of the way, if I absolutely had to choose, I'd choose yours. Vanilla Skyrim is a little...whats the word I'm looking for...rough, I guess. Sure it's not as lore friendly to have supermodels walking around killing Draugr, but if I'm going to play a game, I'm going to have something pretty to look at goddammit.

[CeeTeeDee]

let us consult science & mathematics.

 

warning, 400 years ago this stuff would've got you burned @ the stake.

 

 

 

brought to you by the church of the subgenius.

 

keep calm... and praise bob.

 

 

I made this in the Aether Suite reception lounge... go there for great lighting (and depressing porn music)

 

[RunicGray]

 

The thin lips on the left images and the distance they have from the nose (Philtrum) is a bit jarring for me. This will sound unintentionally insulting, so I will apologize in advance, but it reminds me of an ape's features:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you should try adding fuller lips and pushing the mouth a bit higher up.

 

Oh god, can't unsee now.

 

 

 

Me either. D:

 

 

Those are good references, utokr.

 

This is just another crude reference, usually used in drawing proportions, but transferable. Everything is approximate, as everyone's face are a bit different, but the placement is relatively the same.

[Sadomaschist]

I found all of them beautiful in their own right. Mainly it comes down to personal taste and preferences. Mods help expand the beauty of ones character and to improve on the vanilla textures and meshes of the game overall. Regardless depending on the taste of one, be it Shouji, realistic manga, lolita type, realistic 3D. It comes all down to proportions what your character lacks in that area they others have. In example take your face and split it in half then fold it. It would line up perfectly with each. 

 

Instead of trying to force your friends into liking your tastes compliment them on theirs and they will yours. Constructive Criticism helps to improve your work. Regardless if one likes to hear it or not. But having an open mind is key to the Character process. Remember if you wish to have your friend use mods don't show him  your tastes but show him what his character would look with them. 

 

It is best to let him explore the world of modding through some form of help but let him decide what he wishes to use and what he doesn't want to use. Personally if you are good enough you won't have need of enbs but with some lighting overhauls you can turn out some pretty pictures and gameplaying. Race mods are great and all but depending on ones tastes it is limited to chose from. 

 

Keep in mind forcing your tastes onto someone else can ruin your friendship. 

 

It would be great if you could expand onto your character using the sliders in the enhanced race menu. Just don't forget that you view your characters self like that in game doesn't mean that your other friends will view themselves like that. 

 

In my complete personal opinion I find this bet kind of ridiculous. If I offended you with my post then ignore it. 

[zzz72w3r]

After reading other posts I felt that I should add more to this discourse despite how juvenile this thread started.  There are two aspects of beauty: nature and culture. 

 

First is nature, which many have illustrated already in this thread is the proper mathematical proportions of facial features.  This is genetics in how we identify with fellow homo sapiens and in this aspect the OP err while his (I presumed that the OP is almost certainly male) friends did not.  Think of it as that the OP's friends' faces is built with Mr. Potato Head.  As long as the stuff is in the right slot, it will never repeal people.  OP on the other hand deviated too far and some, myself included impulsively cannot accept such creation as facsimile of our kin, thus we rejected its entirety.  

 

Second is culture and here I am not talking about fashion and cosmetics.  The photo of the real girl on the far right is a good example of why beauty is subjective.  The California look is not for everyone and is something that didn't even exist prior to 20th century.  Geography can be a big factor.  Western and East Asian men have vastly different views on what beautiful East Asian women should look like because the placement of cheek bones, forehead and eye shapes.  While East Asian men accept that prominent cheekbone and foreheads are attractive features in Western women, their culture heritage rejected such definition as norm for Asian beauty.  On top of that many Western men found narrow slanted eyes exotic and sexy in Asian women because it is a feature lacking in people of European decent, however, such eyes is the opposite of definition of beauty in East Asia.  Lastly, beauty is not time static.  Our current standard of beauty, the almost anorexic Hollywood actress looks were highly desirable in 1st century China but the opposite was true by 10th century when the court favored full size women.   Historians are still trying to figure out what factors contributed to such difference given that both periods were dynastic heights of wealth and power and people were "mostly" the same.  This should put all the weight arguments on this board into proper perspective.

[CeeTeeDee]

After reading other posts I felt that I should add more to this discourse despite how juvenile this thread started.  There are two aspects of beauty: nature and culture. 

 

First is nature, which many have illustrated already in this thread is the proper mathematical proportions of facial features.  This is genetics in how we identify with fellow homo sapiens and in this aspect the OP err while his (I presumed that the OP is almost certainly male) friends did not.  Think of it as that the OP's friends' faces is built with Mr. Potato Head.  As long as the stuff is in the right slot, it will never repeal people.  OP on the other hand deviated too far and some, myself included impulsively cannot accept such creation as facsimile of our kin, thus we rejected its entirety.  

 

Second is culture and here I am not talking about fashion and cosmetics.  The photo of the real girl on the far right is a good example of why beauty is subjective.  The California look is not for everyone and is something that didn't even exist prior to 20th century.  Geography can be a big factor.  Western and East Asian men have vastly different views on what beautiful East Asian women should look like because the placement of cheek bones, forehead and eye shapes.  While East Asian men accept that prominent cheekbone and foreheads are attractive features in Western women, their culture heritage rejected such definition as norm for Asian beauty.  On top of that many Western men found narrow slanted eyes exotic and sexy in Asian women because it is a feature lacking in people of European decent, however, such eyes is the opposite of definition of beauty in East Asia.  Lastly, beauty is not time static.  Our current standard of beauty, the almost anorexic Hollywood actress looks were highly desirable in 1st century China but the opposite was true by 10th century when the court favored full size women.   Historians are still trying to figure out what factors contributed to such difference given that both periods were dynastic heights of wealth and power and people were "mostly" the same.  This should put all the weight arguments on this board into proper perspective.

 

Good points.

 

I'd also like to add that the perception of the human face is rooted in the deep psyche and the subconcious as well as  the correlation of expressions

on the face, how we realize feelings by facial expression is learned in early childhood.

 

Percieved states in faces such as pleasing or displeasing, pretty, attractive, ugly, repulsive, friendly or unfriendly are all correlated within our psychological memories and the qualities we attribute to faces that we create whether with a pencil, paintbrush or computers are reflections of ourselves and how we feel about our ourselves, which is why creating toons is such a fun and cerebral activity.

 

I find while drawing faces that certain features have a sexual significance, like the distance between the eyes or length of the nose so i tend to follow my dick when making faces because i find that to be the most accurate judge of feminine beauty.

 

still, essentially i'm just messing with my own sexual perceptions of what it is I want to see, which is extremely superficial, hence my facetious attitude towards this thread... you know the whole 'just put a bag on her head' well, thats just an example of engendered sexism, since men are perceptually weakened by feminine beauty.

 

Perhaps for some its an expression of control which is also deeply connected in masculine sexuality and self-image.

 

Still you can tell alot about people from their toons, i think.

[SquallPT]

Have to step in and say, how a thread about a bet of which character is more attractive into a discussion about human faces, amazes me

Do a poll, it's easier. Or else you are going to get no conclusion at all and start question life and religion and why the grass is green and the sky is blue, etc