Baconsama Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Hello LL,it has been a while.Well,I don't have a beefy computer and not every performance plugin/.exe actually works for everyone,so I pretty much was thinking about checking mod by mod,if I can compact the files (meshes,textures,sounds...) to a .BSA,and if I would need to alter something in the .esp such as the reference,or what I SHOULDN'T compact (maybe scripts?),not to mention merging some .esps (like that wonderfull TES4 geckgo,and I remember that he/she said that wouldn't make a skyrim version =/),instead of having the base .esp and the patched/updated one. Posting my loadlist below for any curiosity and for being easier to being helped lol,thanks for the attention if you have read up to here and have a good weekend! Active Mod Files: 00 skyrim.esm 01 Update.esm 02 Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0a] 03 Dawnguard.esm 04 Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0b] 05 HearthFires.esm 06 Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 07 Dragonborn.esm 08 Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp [Version 2.0.0] 09 ApachiiHair.esm 0A RaceCompatibility.esm 0B BBLuxurySuite.esm 0C Sanctum of the Fallen.esm 0D SPIKE.esm 0E TERAArmors.esm 0F TurnDownXrace.esm 10 UndergroundBathhouse.esm 11 JackGaPub.esm 12 28 Days and a Bit 5.esm 13 HighResTexturePack01.esp 14 HighResTexturePack02.esp 15 HighResTexturePack03.esp 16 RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 17 Chesko_Frostfall.esp 18 MoreSoundOptions.esp 19 DFG's Blade & Dagger Sheathe Sounds_Dawnguard.esp 1A StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp 1B StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp 1C StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp 1D AThievesTreasure.esp 1E BirdsHFclean.esp 1F Cannabis.esp 20 CannabisUpdate.esp 21 Dead Body Collision.esp 22 ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp 23 GDAmulets.esp 24 genpeopleliter.esp 25 Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp 26 Skyhighrim.esp 27 Destructible_bottles.esp 28 RaceMenu.esp 29 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 2A Player Size Adjuster.esp 2B SkyTweak.esp 2C SkyUI.esp 2D Customizable Camera.esp 2E manny_Status.esp 2F TakeNotes.esp 30 Blade and Soul Infernal Armor.esp 31 Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp 32 FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp 33 Fists of the Gods.esp 34 HISSorakageFarmor.esp 35 KCEBattleClaws.esp 36 Magicka Sabers.esp 37 Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp 38 Mykatana.esp 39 Nicoroshi Creations.esp [Version 1.2] 3A OMageReplacerPack.esp 3B SacredRingofJeebus.esp 3C TERAArmors.esp 3D TERAArmors - Leveled Lists.esp 3E Throwing_Weapons_Redux.esp 3F Ultimate Smithing Necklace.esp 40 UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp 41 WWW.esp 42 BBLuxurySuiteExt.esp 43 BBLSHousecarlsmovein.esp 44 BBLSVisitors.esp 45 Ebon Mine.esp 46 Gifts Of The Outsider.esp 47 HallsOfDovahndor.esp 48 Inconsequential NPCs.esp 49 R0R0N0 Stable.esp 4A Reiko_Senjua.esp 4B Skyrim School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.esp 4C The Asteria - Dwemer Airship.esp 4D The Pit.esp 4E TropicalIslands.esp 4F Undercity.esp 50 w2salem.esp 51 AchieveThat.esp 52 Book Covers Skyrim.esp 53 Book Covers Dawnguard.esp 54 Book Covers Hearthfire.esp 55 Book Covers Dragonborn.esp 56 chicken.esp 57 Civil War Overhaul.esp 58 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp 59 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 5A bathhouse.esp 5B MidasSkyrim.esp 5C Colorful_Magic.esp 5D Phenderix Tool - Weapon Edit.esp 5E TrueFrostMage.esp 5F sheogorath_shout.esp 60 A Tragedy In Black - Enchanting Remastered - TheGreyLight.esp 61 Enchanting - IDWIW.esp 62 Enchanting Freedom.esp 63 ACE Realistic Fighting.esp 64 Locational Damage.esp 65 ACE BYOG.esp 66 ACE Speech.esp 67 ArcheryDummyXP.esp 68 ACE Archery.esp 69 ACE Armor.esp 6A ACE Magic.esp 6B ACE Melee.esp 6C ACE Synergy.esp 6D Sneak Tools.esp 6E Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp 6F Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp 70 jutsu.esp 71 Pouncer.esp 72 SGEyebrows.esp 73 Naruto - Overhaul.esp 74 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp 75 Yamato Transform and Summon.esp 76 3DNPC.esp 77 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 78 mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp 79 mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp 7A mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.esp 7B mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.esp 7C mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - NPC Bartering.esp 7D Skyrim Unbound.esp 7E Animated Enchantments.esp 7F Immersive Sounds - Aural Assortment.esp 80 Rifle.esp 81 LinnRoom.esp 82 Heavenly She-wolf Skyrim.esp 83 AetherSuite.esp 84 RutahTattooPack.esp 85 GuildStarter.esp 86 CDM - Astral Projection.esp 87 PhysicsImpactDamageFix.esp 88 mongsangThunseng1.esp 89 Kingdom Hearts.esp 8A HISkmos.esp 8B JackGaPubDLC00.esp 8C StaticMeshImprovementMod-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp 8D Torcs.esp 8E VaultsOfSkyrim.esp 8F ds2_unitology.esp 90 FISS.esp 91 28 Days Hide Spawn Zombies Spell Effect.esp 92 ElemIceWall.esp
LaEspada Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 From my understanding BSA Pros:takes up less disk space Cons:takes longer to read since it's compressed Loose Files Pros: quicker reading since they are loose files, not compressed Cons: takes up more disk space
Kalilies Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Packing your stuff into a bsa will not improve performance.
Baconsama Posted May 23, 2014 Author Posted May 23, 2014 I see,derp I though it would both take less space in disk AND improve performance,should I do the opposite then,unpack .bsa files?
gvman3670 Posted May 23, 2014 Posted May 23, 2014 Loose files overwrite one another according to the load order of .esp. Just keep that in mind. What is loaded last is what the game reads.
Baconsama Posted May 23, 2014 Author Posted May 23, 2014 I know that part well,gvman4670 lol,but thanks for reinforcing.
JLF65 Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 What using BSAs DOES do is make it easy to switch mods on and off without affecting anything else. Loose files are constantly overwritten... unless you use Mod Organizer to handle your mods. Then it doesn't matter as nothing is ever overwritten. But if MO doesn't work for you for some reason, BSAs are the sensible alternative.
Guest Posted May 26, 2014 Posted May 26, 2014 From my understanding BSA Pros:takes up less disk space Cons:takes longer to read since it's compressed Loose Files Pros: quicker reading since they are loose files, not compressed Cons: takes up more disk space I don't think that's right actually, that might have been the case in the bad old Oblivion days when we were all running dual core processors at best. Unless you're running your game on an SSD, any performance advantages of loose files over BSAs are probably vanishingly slim, I doubt most of us would be able to tell the difference.Decompressing archives on the fly is the sort of job multi-core processors were designed for and BSAs aren't just common or garden archives either, they're native to the Creation Engine. On the other hand, running a whole mess of loose files on an HD is inevitably going to lead to disk fragmentation, and if you ever plan on chopping and changing mods and updates, you're opening yourself up to a lot of ongoing maintenance work, all for what amounts to negligible if any performance gain. There are two distinct advantages of unpacking BSAs; that it allows for texture optimization and for managing file conflicts. If you use Mod Organizer you don't have to worry about loose files taking priority over BSAs because one of it's starring features is that it allow you to treat BSAs as though they are loose files, without unpacking them. Optimizing textures you know need doing but sticking them back into their BSA afterwards and letting Mod Organizer do the heavy lifting for you is definitely the way forward imho. And just to reinforce the wisdom of this, Tannin is planning to entirely hide or even remove the BSA extraction feature from MO, and that should tell us all something about the can of worms involved with running loose files over BSAs.
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