(Idea) Sexlab Xenophobia

[nordwhore]

Wandering around some Stormcloak areas as Orc and Dark Elf characters recently I noticed that some of the comments from NPCs were bordering on or actually racial slurs and knowing the racist ideology of the Stormcloaks and some Nords in general it gave me an idea for this mod. 

 

Sexlab Xenophobia

 

The idea is that depending on your non-human race the level of xenophobia faced by your character would increase, with more dialogue from NPCs and also some scripted events.

 

Where:

I imagine it happening much more in areas that start as Stormcloak controlled to represent the freedom bigots would have under a bigoted regime. You could perhaps vary it per hold depending on how cosmopolitan it is and include Imperial held holds too. So Solitude might have the lowest chance, Windhelm moderate because it is fairly cosmopolitan despite being Stormcloak held while more rural Stormcloak areas are the highest.

 

What:

Racial slurs: Fairly obvious 'orc filth' 'dark elf scum' etc. Some of these are already in the game, I thought adding some variety with gender checks 'orc slut' 'dark elf bitch' and that kind of thing.

 

Events:

Tavern brawl: You walk into a tavern, you're talking to some people and a crowd of drunken Nords decide they don't want your kind in their tavern so they attack you. Male characters end up beaten and perhaps robbed, chance of rape (MCM toggle perhaps, let peopel choose between no rape, male rape, female rape and whatever)

 

Rampaging mob: Word gets around that a lone orc/elf is travelling in the area so an armed mob sets out to teach them a lesson. Another beating and robbery (maybe) and chance of rape

 

Lynch mob: obvious, bad ending. Could be toggled on/off.

 

Corrupt guard: When trying to enter a town ou are stopped by guards who tell you they need to check you out. They tak you to prison where you can attempt to bribe or convince them to let you go. If you fail (or if you are Altmer) they throw you in a cell and brutalise you (could tie it to Xaz Prison Overhaul for this?)

 

etc.

 

Who:

 

Non-humans mostly. There could even be a hierarchy of racism:

Khajit: Viewed as thieves, subjected to slurs and attacks but relatively small chance of serious events.

Argonians: Ssame as khajit, not familiar with hwo they are viewed.

Orcs: Fairly low level, distrusted, viewed as stupid. Maybe a greater chance of just slurs and beatings and less chance of serious events/

Dunmer: seen as treacherous and parasitic, spies for the Empire. Higher chance of negative events.

Altmer: Hated and despised because of the White-Gold Concordat, much higher chance of bad events as well as a constant barrage of slurs.

 

For female characters I think using sex could be a good way of diffusing the situation, instead of lynching you they fuck you and degrade you which satisfies their xenophobia. But you could also end up kidnapped and raped and torture until you can escape.

 

Fighting could be done with teh brawl system to keep it non fatal or to put the PC in a really uncomfortable position make it so killing them even in self defense is a crime. Nords attack you, you fight back, end up in prison/chased by guards/bounty hunters.

 

Obviously this is all just fantasy and I absolutely in no way approve of racism or bigotry in the real world, against anyone.

 

Any thoughts? I wish I had time to learn how to make it myself and I'm not expecting anyone to do it or me but I'd like feedback on the ideas anyway.

[aidcampbl]

Wandering around some Stormcloak areas as Orc and Dark Elf characters recently I noticed that some of the comments from NPCs were bordering on or actually racial slurs and knowing the racist ideology of the Stormcloaks and some Nords in general it gave me an idea for this mod. 

 

Sexlab Xenophobia

 

The idea is that depending on your non-human race the level of xenophobia faced by your character would increase, with more dialogue from NPCs and also some scripted events.

 

Where:

I imagine it happening much more in areas that start as Stormcloak controlled to represent the freedom bigots would have under a bigoted regime. You could perhaps vary it per hold depending on how cosmopolitan it is and include Imperial held holds too. So Solitude might have the lowest chance, Windhelm moderate because it is fairly cosmopolitan despite being Stormcloak held while more rural Stormcloak areas are the highest.

 

What:

Racial slurs: Fairly obvious 'orc filth' 'dark elf scum' etc. Some of these are already in the game, I thought adding some variety with gender checks 'orc slut' 'dark elf bitch' and that kind of thing.

 

Events:

Tavern brawl: You walk into a tavern, you're talking to some people and a crowd of drunken Nords decide they don't want your kind in their tavern so they attack you. Male characters end up beaten and perhaps robbed, chance of rape (MCM toggle perhaps, let peopel choose between no rape, male rape, female rape and whatever)

 

Rampaging mob: Word gets around that a lone orc/elf is travelling in the area so an armed mob sets out to teach them a lesson. Another beating and robbery (maybe) and chance of rape

 

Lynch mob: obvious, bad ending. Could be toggled on/off.

 

Corrupt guard: When trying to enter a town ou are stopped by guards who tell you they need to check you out. They tak you to prison where you can attempt to bribe or convince them to let you go. If you fail (or if you are Altmer) they throw you in a cell and brutalise you (could tie it to Xaz Prison Overhaul for this?)

 

etc.

 

Who:

 

Non-humans mostly. There could even be a hierarchy of racism:

Khajit: Viewed as thieves, subjected to slurs and attacks but relatively small chance of serious events.

Argonians: Ssame as khajit, not familiar with hwo they are viewed.

Orcs: Fairly low level, distrusted, viewed as stupid. Maybe a greater chance of just slurs and beatings and less chance of serious events/

Dunmer: seen as treacherous and parasitic, spies for the Empire. Higher chance of negative events.

Altmer: Hated and despised because of the White-Gold Concordat, much higher chance of bad events as well as a constant barrage of slurs.

 

For female characters I think using sex could be a good way of diffusing the situation, instead of lynching you they fuck you and degrade you which satisfies their xenophobia. But you could also end up kidnapped and raped and torture until you can escape.

 

Fighting could be done with teh brawl system to keep it non fatal or to put the PC in a really uncomfortable position make it so killing them even in self defense is a crime. Nords attack you, you fight back, end up in prison/chased by guards/bounty hunters.

 

Obviously this is all just fantasy and I absolutely in no way approve of racism or bigotry in the real world, against anyone.

 

Any thoughts? I wish I had time to learn how to make it myself and I'm not expecting anyone to do it or me but I'd like feedback on the ideas anyway.

It does fit with the lore.  Vanilla gameplay hints toward this, but there is little actual content.   I'd love to see the finished product.

[Mud]

I don't know if it'd really be fitting to lump orcs in there, though. The orc stereotypes include "stupid and brutish", sure, but they also include "crazy strong".

[Scythion]

A good idea.

[Adorkable]

I'd like something like that. Maybe that would finally make playing one of the lesser chosen races interesting.

[traveller_phi]

I don't know if it'd really be fitting to lump orcs in there, though. The orc stereotypes include "stupid and brutish", sure, but they also include "crazy strong".

 

So orcs aren't attacked unless the attackers have at least 4-1 odds? No insults unless there are other Nords around?

 

Also how would followers fit into this? Say for example an Altmer PC with Lydia following? or a Nord PC with a Dunmer follower?

 

[WaxenFigure]

Being an Orc in Markarth shouldn't be too bad (they are the smiths both in and out of the palace, the overseer of the smelter and even the head of the prison) but being a Breton there would leave you suspected of being a Forsworn. Each race would probably have areas where they are more accepted and areas where they would be less accepted and those areas are likely different for each race.

[nordwhore]

I don't know if it'd really be fitting to lump orcs in there, though. The orc stereotypes include "stupid and brutish", sure, but they also include "crazy strong".

I did think about having a cenario where an orc would be imprisoned and forced to work at a forge all day until she could escape but then I realised how boring that would actually be to play.

 

Orcs could be exempt from more individual harassment like lone brawlers in taverns or small groups of thugs and just have to worry about group things.

 

 

Being an Orc in Markarth shouldn't be too bad (they are the smiths both in and out of the palace, the overseer of the smelter and even the head of the prison) but being a Breton there would leave you suspected of being a Forsworn. Each race would probably have areas where they are more accepted and areas where they would be less accepted and those areas are likely different for each race.

 

That is something I meant to go into but forgot. It could easily be extended to include other humans as well. Imperials obviously, in Stormcloak lands and vice versa. It could add some depth to the civil war line without actually messing with it in a potentially game breaking way.

 

I really, really wish I had the skills to make this or the time to learn those skills.

[LaEspada]

Very cool idea, but for custom race support a menu that detects whether you are a custom race or not and allows you to choose what your race most closely represents.

 

I'll watch this

[Adam Jensen]

Great idea, the only problem I see with it is if players are using custom races. Like in my case, 99% of the time I am playing as Lunaris.

 

[carnifex]

Could be really fun, as long as attacks aren't overdone.

 

What could be fun as well is adding non-racial hate to the curriculum. Two things off the top of my head: Stormcloak vs Imperial sympathizers, obviously, and superstitious Nord warriors harassing members of the Winterhold College.

[DeepBlueFrog]

If you are interested, SD+ includes 'hate rape', with some form of racial attacks - walking around Windhelm as a dark elf is risky...

It is not as developed as this idea but it is a start.

 

If you want a code base for this mod, look at Dangerously Naked. It should have all you need to expand into racial attacks instead of nude comments. The principle is the same - it relies on Hello events with the right conditions.

 

For custom race support, you could use PapyrusUtil to keep a json configuration file with a matrix of races hostilities. With enough suggestions, you could get a good list of custom races and how they should react to each other.

[animatorg545]

I would suggest that the player can choose which races will be humiliated. MCM menu to select. For example, I'm playing a human character and I want human characters was outlawed Skyrim. (May be followed by the development of the slave states of the human races)

[Just Checking]

I would suggest that the player can choose which races will be humiliated. MCM menu to select. For example, I'm playing a human character and I want human characters was outlawed Skyrim. (May be followed by the development of the slave states of the human races)

 

If someone were to set up those region based hate things like some of those other guys suggested, there would probably easily be places human races would be less than welcome.  It would probably only be a few, like the Grey Quarter, Orc strongholds and a couple of the locations in the Dragonborn DLC, but the idea is pretty much the same.

 

I can all too easily see a corrupt guard stopping you from entering a city where your chosen race isn't appreciated until he (and because it isn't damaging and humiliating enough with only one person, probably a buddy or six) has decided you've been thoroughly dealt with.  Who knows, could maybe even chopshop the setup for the first time you go to Riften and one guard tries to hold you up.  Re-purpose the forced greeting and such.  But then again, there are various little issues that could come into play there.

[E_Nigma]

I don't know if it'd really be fitting to lump orcs in there, though. The orc stereotypes include "stupid and brutish", sure, but they also include "crazy strong".

 

Pretty much this, in game you really only get to see people hating on elves and argonians, some bad vibes towards khajiit but never hear anything bad about orcs, probably because they would rip your head off.

 

Great idea though